Forum Post: OWS movement is anti-environment
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 22, 2011, 12:20 a.m. EST by AntiCorp
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I thought the OWS crowd was pro environment? What is the carbon footprint of the "occupation" in NYC, in the U.S.A., around the world? Do I need to place a call to Al Gore?
Troll or not, nobody answers the question. If you read the article on this website about how to interact with people, it stresses using positive speech, tolerance and openness. However when someone asked a legitimate question which made people uncomfortable, he was branded a "troll", mocked and ignored. So to be accepted here must I also have to go along with everyone's general consensus?
Let me ask you this, how is this a legitimate question? How are people camping out in a park doing more damage to the environment than they did when they were driving around in their cars every days?
No worries, people get testy when faced with the truth, they tend to lash out and call people names.....hummmm....sounds like how Liberals describe Republicans doesn't it?
All I know is that when I throw away trash at Zuccotti I am advised to separate paper from plastic from metal from compost. Does everyone comply? No. But I don't know of any home that tries harder.
OWS movement... the ends justify the means. Simple. It works for me.
Well seeing as these people are living outdoors and sustaining themselves in what you might call a commune... surely the carbon footprint is lower per-person on average. I figured that was kind of obvious.
And to be fair, I think in this case we can say that the ends justify the means. Cause some disruption, possibly (but unlikely) burn a little more oil that usual. So we might one day never burn oil again, instead use and re-use that wonderful material more efficiently.
Still waiting for an answer....what is the carbon foot print of the "occupation"?
Maybe Obama will create some "green" jobs to clean up the OWS protest when it's done.
CO2 isn't poisonous anyway
So, what is the carbon foot print? It's a valid question isn't it?
obvious troll is obvious
Oh shut up!
Thanks for the reply,,,,your response tells the story.
What because ONE person is a bit irritable at you trolls? It's not exactly like I tried to suppress your freedom of speech or anything. That's some pretty sick stereotyping there bud.
Carbon offsets for OWS?
Don't fall for this psychological crap from any one percent goon. It's an obvious attempt to discredit our cause and break our will. Don't fall for it. Just follow the law and keep protesting no matter what the one percent goons say or do. Our message is vital. Below is my two cents:
We have been mislead by Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama, and nearly every other public figure. Economic growth, job creation, and actual prosperity are not necessarily a package deal. In fact, the first two are horribly misunderstood. Economic growth/loss (GDP) is little more than a measure of wealth changing hands. A transfer of currency from one party to another. The rate at which it is traded. This was up until mid ’07′ however, has never been a measure of actual prosperity. Neither has job creation. The phrase itself has been thrown around so often, and in such a generic politicali manner, that it has come to mean nothing. Of course, we need to have certain things done for the benefit of society as a whole. We need farmers, builders, manufacturers, transporters, teachers, cops, firefighters, soldiers, mechanics, sanitationi workers, doctors, managers, and visionaries. Their work is vital. I’ll even go out on a limb and say that we need politicians, attorneys, bankers, investors, and entertainers. In order to keep them productive, we must provide reasonable incentives. We need to compensate each by a fair measure for their actual contributions to society. We need to provide a reasonable scale of income opportunity for every independent adult, every provider, and share responsibility for those who have a legitimate need for aid. In order to achieve and sustain this, we must also address the cost of living and the distribution of wealth. Here, we have failed miserably. The majority have already lost their home equity, their financial security, and their relative buying power. The middle class have actually lost much of their ability to make ends meet, re-pay loans, pay taxes, and support their own economy. The lower class have gone nearly bankrupt. In all, its a multi-trillion dollar loss taken over about 30 years. Millions are under the impression that we need to create more jobs simply to provide more opportunity. as if that would solve the problem. It won’t. Not by a longshot. Jobs don’t necessarily create wealth. In fact, they almost never do. For the mostpart, they only transfer wealth from one party to another. A gain here. A loss there. Appreciation in one community. Depreciation in another. In order to create net wealth, you must harvest a new resource or make more efficient use of one. Either way you must have a reliable and ethical system in place to distribute that newly created wealth in order to benefit society as a whole and prevent a lagging downside. The ‘free market’ just doesn’t cut it. Its a farce. Many of the jobs created are nothing but filler. The promises empty. Sure, unemployment reached an all-time low under Bush. GDP reached an all-time high. But those are both shallow and misleading indicators. In order to gauge actual prosperity, you must consider the economy in human terms. As of ’08′ the average American was working more hours than the previous generation with far less equity to show for it. Consumer debt, forclosure, and bankruptcy were also at all-time highs. As of ’08′, every major American city was riddled with depressed communities, neglected neighborhoods, failing infrastructures, lost revenue, and gang activity. All of this has coincided with massive economic growth and job creation. Meanwhile, the rich have been getting richer and richer and richer even after taxes. Our nation’s wealth has been concentrated. Again, this represents a multi-trillion dollar loss taken by the majority. Its an absolute deal breaker. Bottom line: With or without economic growth or job creation, you must have a system in place to prevent too much wealth from being concentrated at the top. Unfortunately, we don’t. Our economy has become nothing but a giant game of Monopoly. The richest one percent already own nearly 1/2 of all United States wealth. More than double their share before Reagan took office. Still, they want more. They absolutely will not stop. Now, our society as a whole is in serious jeapordy. Greed kills.
Ha, ha, ha...lol Please, some reality of world economics...not an insular issue. people speak of changing a cultural attitude. Try to change the cultural of a small institution, difficult, much resistance. Now try to change an established reality.........best of luck. My advice, control the controllables (sic) and find some ambition.j
"AntiCorp" was exposed as a TROLL ages ago...
To understand HOW TROLLS THINK - if that's not an oxymoron - go to:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/how-trolls-think-trollosophy-exposed/