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Forum Post: OWS : link to petitions.

Posted 2 years ago on April 20, 2012, 10:27 a.m. EST by FriendlyObserverB (1871)
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At one point in time this site was receiving half million hits a day .. sure exciting times with so much to say and talk about .. But while they were here , OWS should of had some petitions for them to read over and sign. After all that seems to be the way we are going to win this thing.

So I would like to start a petition right now :

Would anyone like to see a link on the top of this page connecting OWS to all available petitions ?

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[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

We can petition Obama here at the white house web site for any cause we wish. Will he listen?

Here is the link to petition for the overturning of Citizens United.

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/restore-democracy-ending-corporate-personhood/KQYzl8S5

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28017) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Any and all communications are good. The white house site is not my preference to launch a petition as it is hard to get enough signatures to get it looked at before it is closed. I also think from having gotten a couple of responses from my efforts as well as looking at others experiences that this site is more of an opinion poll than an actual spurr/directive to work on an issue. So definitely make use of it if you can but I would also put my efforts into other petition sites as well.

[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

From the White House website: "To cross the second threshold and require a response, a petition must reach 25,000 signatures within 30 days."

Didn't realize there is a time limit on the petitions. Another indication that our government does not want to listen. As soon as we begin to speak, they close their ears.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28017) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Your heart and your goal as well as how to get there are correct and true. If we can get participation recognized as a good thing to do - it will then be easier to get time lines beaten. The main thing is to continue to promote communication and to circulate worthy petitions.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

I agree. A time limit is unnecessary. Low signatures should simply fall to the bottom but still remain accessible to view. Surely they have plenty of hard drive.

[-] 2 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

Yes , I realize whitehouse.gov has a petition website.. but they don't have an open discussion forum like OWS has here on this site . I just believe it would be helpful if we could view/sign petitions on this site as well, to be forwarded to whitehouse.gov ?

And even to take it a step further , would be nice if we could use a wiki style method to formulate a petition.. by the users of this site.. ?

[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

We can create our own petitions directly on the white house web site. If there are dozens of different petitions coming from multiple sites, not just Occupy, they will not have the same impact as a single petition that is transparent, visible to all, laid right at the door of the heart of our government.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

A great idea, FOB. Definitely pursue this idea.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

I appreciate that. thank you so much :-]

[-] 1 points by sampfeifer (20) from Issaquah, WA 2 years ago

sampfeifer

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

Is this thread visible?

[-] 1 points by jart (1091) from New York, NY 2 years ago

I hate hate hate internet petitions.

The only thing internet petitions accomplish is getting you on NGO mailing lists so they can bleed you dry for donations to pay themselves a salary to bring you more internet petitions.

What's worse is that internet petitions emotionally reward you for doing nothing. This is why we don't have revolution in the streets, because all the people who should be out there raising hell are signing internet petitions and thinking they did their part.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

It is our Constitutional Right to petition our Government.

Jart, by not providing a means to petition our Government, OWS has oppressed our Constitutional Right. Which appears to be a deliberate action.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28017) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Well I think that is a little off base. This is jart's forum and those that created it with Her and are the moderators.

We can still sign and circulate petitions. She is entitled as is anyone to her own opinion's. This site if it wanted to, could just delete all petition posts. She has denied no one the right to participate in petitioning.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

Do they sign petitions at OWS GA meetings? No, I thought not. Very suspicious.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28017) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I do not know about suspicious. Definitely a point of oversight and the lack of using a valid and powerful tool as seen in it's use in Wisconsin. This is in my opinion a very much needed area of growth as petitions not only address issues that need attention they are also educational to the general public. So I will continue to provide these opportunities as I can and I know others will as well. Those who are not appreciative of the idea are welcome to their opinion and may change their mind on the issue as we move forward.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

Is it really a point of oversight?

There are many people whom hate America, and many whom want America to FALL. The last thing these " many want is to see America improve/recover.

Petitions are a means of American recovery. The fact that OWS does not use petitions makes suspicion on whom the founders are, and what is their intention; to help America or destroy America.

Look at the evidence:

No petitions.

A continual bad mouthing / bashing of America.

The Arab spring seems to be the OWS worship. (Arabs hate America)

Any bad mouthing of Islam is immediately attacked , but no defends the attacking of America. ?

He founders of OWS are not American.

When I mentioned 9/11 I was banned.

So ask yourself is this suspicious? What are the true motive behind this movement. If OWS really wants improvement , why no petitions. The excuses given( hate petitions, petitions are annoying) have no merit and strongly point toward the true OWS intentions.

Remember , there is no perfect crime.

If the founders are out to destroy America this would certainly explain their non interest in trying useful improving petitions.

I personally have no desire to destroy America. All my suggestions point towards improvement. And DKA, so do yours.

[-] 1 points by jart (1091) from New York, NY 2 years ago

If you want to get into internet petitions, be my guest. But remember to think about the merits of each petition objectively and ask, cui bono?

Also I don't have any intentions of removing links to internet petition from the forum.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28017) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Sorry. I thought I was defending your position. Sorry if that is not how it came across.

[-] 1 points by jart (1091) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Sorry I was replying more in general to the both of you and there was no hostility in my words. Thank you for defending me <3

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28017) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

No problem. We are here in defense of our country and our world. We each have our way of looking at things - that is what makes us individuals. I am just glad that there are so many individuals looking to make positive change.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28017) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

From: Moms Clean Air Force

http://www.momscleanairforce.org/

Dear Dan,

Have you been enjoying the balmy temperatures this early spring? Has your garden bloomed early? Have you dined alfresco already this year?

While these activities seem like boons in the present, they are in fact serious warnings about what the future holds for our climate and weather. March had record-shattering heat nationwide.

Dr. Heidi Cullen, who is on our Leadership Circle, really cleared up some confusion I had about the link between weather and climate in our recent interview. She is also the Chief Climatologist for Climate Central—a nonprofit science research organization—and former on-air climate expert for The Weather Channel.

http://www.momscleanairforce.org/2012/04/23/the-wait-and-see-approach-will-be-too-lateclimate-crisis-interview-with-heidi-cullen/

Because of the dry, windy conditions, wildfires and brush fires have been raging along the east coast from New England to Florida; billowing black clouds from New Jersey Meadowland fires could be seen from mid-town Manhattan.

I think about what economist Milton Friedman said:

Only a crisis—actual or perceived—produces real change. When that crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas that are lying around. That, I believe, is our basic function: to develop alternatives to existing policies, to keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes politically inevitable.

Please read the full interview with Dr. Cullen and if you haven't yet, take action today to tell the EPA that you will not stand idly by while our children's clean air and prospects for the future dwindle away like dust in the wind.

http://www.momscleanairforce.org/2012/04/23/the-wait-and-see-approach-will-be-too-lateclimate-crisis-interview-with-heidi-cullen/

http://action.momscleanairforce.org/ea-action/action?ea.client.id=1711&ea.campaign.id=14250

Sincerely,

Dominique Browning Co-Founder and Senior Director, Moms Clean Air Force

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

Things are about to get a whole lot worse.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28017) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Care2 from Civil Rights:

Progressive Media Outlets Pledge Coverage Of May Day Protests

http://www.care2.com/go/z/e/AGLTe/zmvm/B18Bb

May Day, otherwise known as International and Immigrant Workers’ Day, marks the first major resurgence of the Occupy Wall Street movement since massive arrests and police brutality drove most occupations indoors over the winter.

http://www.care2.com/causes/may-day-occupy-wall-street-gears-up-for-nationwide-strike.html

Although OWS has been in full effect since September, 2011, mainstream media outlets have consistently refused to cover its actions, or intentionally distorted coverage by focusing only on participants who thwart the movement’s mandate against violence and vandalism. That’s why more than 25 independent media outlets belonging to The Media Consortium are collaborating to provide coordinated, national coverage of the nationwide May Day strike and other related events.

http://www.care2.com/causes/media-blackout-during-ows-eviction.html

http://www.themediaconsortium.org/

To assist the movement in spreading its message of social and economic equality on this historic day, Media for the 99 Percent will leverage their existing platforms and reporters to provide coordinated national multimedia coverage, featuring:

http://www.mediaforthe99percent.com/

An interactive Map: Find out where actions are happening across the country and follow the independent media’s by-the-minute coverage with links to video, audio, photos, and blog reports.

Television and Live Stream Broadcast: Free Speech TV will broadcast live (and live streamed) news coverage throughout the day, featuring reports from around the U.S., as well as in-studio commentary.

http://www.fstv.org/

Curated Social Media Coverage: Using the Storify platform, Media for the 99 Percent will offer a curated narrative of breaking news via blog updates, along with photos and social media posts from reporters on the ground.

All three content tools are available for embedding by other news outlets and the public.

As a member of The Media Consortium, Care2 Causes is proud to support the efforts of Media for the 99 Percent by continuing to bring you accurate, passionate accounts of occupations across the U.S. and around the world.

Do you trust corporate media tell the story of the May Day actions? Do you trust corporate media to explain the messages of income inequality, workers’ rights, immigrant rights, and more behind these actions? If not, we encourage you to do whatever you can to support the efforts of Media For The 99 Percent.

Read, watch, and share the stories published by members of Media for the 99 Percent on your social media profiles. You can also help by making a financial donation so the coalition can pay its freelancers for their hard work during this event.

http://supportyourmedia.razoo.com/story/Media-For-The-99-Percent

Related Reading:

OWS Sustainability To Host May Day Teach-Ins

http://www.care2.com/causes/ows-sustainability-to-host-may-day-teach-ins.html

Occupy The Courts Protesters Seek To End Citizens United

http://www.care2.com/causes/occupy-the-courts-protesters-seek-to-end-citizens-united.html

May Day Belongs To The Workers And Their Songs

http://www.care2.com/causes/may-day-belongs-to-the-workers-and-their-songs-come-sing-along.html

Read more:

general strike http://www.care2.com/causes/tag/general-strike ,

may day http://www.care2.com/causes/tag/may-day ,

occupy wall street http://www.care2.com/causes/tag/occupy-wall-street ,

ows http://www.care2.com/causes/tag/ows ,

progressive media http://www.care2.com/causes/tag/progressive-media ,

the media consortium http://www.care2.com/causes/tag/the-media-consortium

Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/progressive-media-outlets-pledge-coverage-of-may-day-protests.html#ixzz1tRBxEZAg

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28017) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I signed the petition and added to the contact letter on the petition ;

Green Tech.

This is where we should be going: Green Energy we have the technology we just need to use it. This is what I am talking about. A clean future to be implemented NOW!

http://www.hopewellproject.org/

http://ecat.com/

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/ff_new_nukes/all/1

FuelCell Energy http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/news/progress_alerts.cfm/pa_id=600

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

I notice none of the trolls are signing this ! ? lol

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28017) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

They are doing the silent vote down. So they are aware of your post and they do not like it.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

let's pretend we don't see them.. ;-]

Are you aware a troll has only two senses, taste and smell .. and they particularily like the flavor of a well used trash can .. and when ever the boss has a meeting with the trolls they have to be sure there are no trash cans in the room .. it just completely distracts them ..

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28017) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

That and no toilets or any way to get at raw sewage.

{:-D

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

yeuck ..$$$

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28017) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yeah - I know.

Disgusting filth - trolls and their masters.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28017) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Their absence is obvious and understandable. They would need to stand in opposition of a powerful tool to affect positive change - that would leave them no Deni-ability and hence elect them for removal from the site as being agents of corruption. Which would mean they would need to create yet another new identity and we all know how much trolls hate to do anything resembling work.

[-] 0 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

yeah, they are right now looking at their masters .. feeling left out .

Are the trolls welcome to sign these petitions ? or would they just "slobber all over the keyboard ?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28017) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Slobber on the Keyboard - Hhmmmmmmmm - you raise yet another question of mine. Why can it take a troll so long to come up with a rebuttal? I was in the habit of crediting them with thinking and then getting past the migraine to respond - it hadn't really occurred to me that they might be shorting out their keyboard. {:-O

Huh.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

Well , I think we can safely rule out "crediting them with thinking" .. they argue over and over ,"if it's not on the surface than it doesn't exist. very limited ability to grasp an idea..

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28017) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Hence their operators talking point manual - Yep the answer was right in front of me - thanks - sometimes the obvious can be next to invisible. Got to remember to always consider the constitution of a source as well as the source itself.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

DKAtoday, you have contributed immensely with all your work on petitions. I am hoping a petition-link on OWS will be helpful for you.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28017) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Well thank you for that - it is good to hear ( so good to hear ) when a contribution is appreciated or even thought of as a contribution.

I believe a petition page/link would be invaluable/priceless to the movements against corruption and crime. It is a mainstream tool that anyone can immediately recognize and get behind ( IMO ). Someone new comes to the site and wonders what it is all about can look at the petition page and say - OH well that makes sense, I can support that and thereby supports OWS OCCUPY and all of the related movements who are out to heal our country and our world.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28017) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Thanks for posting this. It is long over due.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28017) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Signed:

I would like to see a listing of petitions as I believe they are a powerful resource ( largely untapped ) for fighting corruption as well as giving good direction/input to our government. The listing could even be broken into categories - environment, social, political etc.This is a very powerful tool for uniting in common cause - no parties - no leanings - just issues - just action.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

Thank you, I believe this is also the soul purpose of OWS. To establish a link between the people and congress ; to express grievances through petition. It's in the bill of rights listed under the first amendment.

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution -

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28017) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Also how else are you going to coherently point out to government when they are going against the will of the people unless you have a coherent record.

[-] 0 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

Yes pefectly true. And we are well within our constitutional rights.

If lobbyists are attacking our government, than we can counterattack with petition. Beating on the drums may have woke up the nation, but now the nation wants to say something to congress . Let's get it in writing ..

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28017) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

This also allows everyone to see how many are in agreement - Fuck parties and leanings - show issues and support for and against.

This is how the true rule of law of by and for the people is expressed.

[-] 0 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

Right. this is not about parties at all , ..it's about greivances we the people have.. and the petition is designed to express those greivances ..to congress... it would be in a member of congress best interest to act on behalf of the people and petitions forwarded..

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28017) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

It is their legal duty to do so as that is the job description - to fairly represent the people..

[-] 0 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

could be grounds for criminal charges ??

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28017) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

That I do not know - It is the oath of office - I would expect that there is legal standing - I wonder if the American People could bring a class action law suit - then if successful if the American People could push for prosecution of criminal charges.

Huh.

Wonder if anyone with a legal background in government is considering this kind of thing??????????????????????????

New petition ? or a general shout-out for attention and response ?

[-] 0 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

not sure either .. oath of office ..?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28017) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

They all swear an oath of office to uphold the constitution of the United States prior to taking office. Same with state with the addition of the state constitution which can not overshadow the federal.

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[-] 0 points by agnosticnixie (17) from Laval, QC 2 years ago

I'll be fair I find the idea mostly annoying - internet petitions don't particularly do anything, even those with large amounts of signatories, and whitehouse.gov petitions the worst of the lot.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

Internet is the " new public place of meeting.

Bombarding congress with an overwhelming response of petition will over power any influence corporate lobbyists have on our government. Petitions are the "teeth" of this protest. If we truly want to improve the world we live in we will need communicate our intentions through petitioning our government.

The true motive behind the foundation of OWS still remains behind veiled curtains. But those curtains have become veil thin. By not expressing petitions, OWS is looks to have no motivation to make improvement, simply disruption.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28017) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I believe in petitions and in petitioning. Some do not. The fact is that more people are getting involved with petitioning and I believe we will see benefit from these communications to "our" government. Let this not become a bone of contention.

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[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

Yeah i would enjoy that

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I like this idea, as it's a way for us internet supporters to lend an effective hand.

This idea will need to be brought up to administration though, as I have no idea if the forums software will allow for such a page.

[-] 0 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

We could gather in public parks to sign petitions, or we could gather on the public internet to sign petitions [and discuss those petitions] . But we need access to those petitions.. I think administration will clearly understand the importance. It's a logical next step.

[-] -1 points by zoom6000 (430) from St Petersburg, FL 2 years ago

petitions to whom WH?they do not represent us they only listen lobbyist