Forum Post: OWS is hopeless
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 25, 2011, 7:16 a.m. EST by ustaknow
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you lack the common sense to outline and coalesce around top priorities A) Lobbyist - the first sin against humanity- it is Cronyism B) Campaign fund limits C) Term Limits mandated D) Balanced Budget Amendment E) unfair Government wages Government is paying their selves like fortune 500 publicly traded companies and not regular working class people F) Public service pensions should be abolished and all gov workers made to share in Social Security with same restrictions as common man and woman Jeez, i could go on and on but it seems useless, afterall you guys have been vocal for two moths and at the wrong dam door the whole time. Good luck figuring out how to write down the top 10 things that has screwed up America and for a cheat sheet - use the list above
We really have to stop calling people assholes or ignorant any time they come up with solutions that some don't consider useful. Why don't some of you try challenging him on some of his ideas instead of using ad homs? Ad homs is what Rush Limbaugh uses to disparage progressives and liberals on a regular basis. You cannot claim inclusiveness and being representative of the 99% and then knock someone else from the 99% for holding different views.
First of all Washington lobbyists IS a problem, nothing ignorant there. Campaign funding where the wealthiest institutions buy our public officials is a huge problem and the main cause for the repeals of important regulations that once governed the financial sector so I see nothing stupid in that! What is wrong with government workers sharing in social security like everyone else? What's wrong with his desire to see a balanced budget? It doesn't sound like he's ignorant at all!
You spelled 'homeless' wrong.
Oh yeah...
And you are an ignorant scumbag.
Your top priorities differ from her top priorities differs from his top priorities. Therefore the priority is to hold a National General Assembly (NGA) where a list of top priorities can be hammered out coming from the roots, what I call the congressional District General Assemblies (DGA's) or 'spokes councils'. It is the final 'official' act of the NYCGA to announce the NGA.
OWS exercised its 1st Amendment right to peaceably assemble.
OWS MUST exercise its 1st Amendment right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
This is the one thing 100% of Americans will understand.
I'm 68 years old and OWS is the largest, most hopeful, most optimistic progressive movement I've seen in my lifetime
another op asshole
Sorry OP, but that post was full of misguided ignorance. If you want to make the influence of money in politics more of a problem, mandate term limits. Why attack government workers, when it's the income of the Top 1% that's increased 300% over the last 30 years, not everyone else's? Lobbying, in and of itself, is not the problem. The Supreme Court saying corporations are people, and money is speech, means that corporate lobbyists can buy off politicians. That's the problem. There's nothing wrong with GE asking Congress to serve it's interests, or John Doe doing the same. The problem comes in when GE can purchase Congress to do its bidding because the SCOTUS says GE is a person, just like John, but because GE doesn't have a physical mouth, GE can ask Congress with its money. Understand the difference? Sending letters to your Representative, meeting with them, calling them on the phone...that's also "lobbying". Sending a check to Representatives...that's the kind of "lobbying" that shouldn't be allowed.
How do you think the top 1% achieved their wealth increase? By lobbyists paying off politicians, or rather I should say buying them. They lobbied to have the regulations removed that protected the wealth of you, john doe, so it could be transferred upwards. You don't have lobbying in a country like Denmark where all public officials are forced to run campaigns from a public fund, each candidate gets an equal amount of money and all campaign adds on tv and radio are allotted equal playing time and come out of that fund. They tightly regulate corporations which are highly taxed and their society is more egalitarian because of it. You won't find corporations calling ALL the shots in their society. You claim lobbying isn't a problem per se and then blame lobbying for the purchase of congress. Did it occur to you that politicians work for the highest bidder and that isn't john doe or even a million john does? You can call and speak to the secretary of your local representative but the lobbyists are in the halls of the White House, they get to speak to the president directly. Do you think that when Obama had to choose between bailing out john doe who sent him his $100 check or Freddie and Frannie who sent him a million dollar check he didn't weigh the worth and value of one Freddie mac to that of a million john does?
Despair, it is - the easiest way. And maybe try to work a miracle? What can you do in your opinion for the association?
This is my suggestion.
Secrets of the Temple: How the Federal Reserve Runs the Country [Taschenbuch] William Greider (Autor)
From Publishers Weekly In this penetrating study of the Federal Reserve Board in the Reagan era, Rolling Stone writer Greider (The Education of David Stockman) views the "Fed" chairman (until recently Paul Volcker) as the "second most powerful" officer of government, the high priest of a temple as mysterious as money itself, its processes unknown to the public and yet to be fully understood by any modern president. Controlling the money supply by secretly buying and selling government bonds and thus affecting interest rates, the Fed can manipulate billions in business profits or losses and millions in worker employment and stock, bond or bank account values, the author explains. Greider's conclusions are startling at times. The Fed, he maintains, could have prevented the 1929 crash. He also asserts the "awkward little secret" that the federal government deliberately induces recessions, usually to bring down inflation and interest rates. A time-consuming but extremely informative read. Copyright 1987 Reed Business Information, Inc. -- Dieser Text bezieht sich auf eine vergriffene oder nicht verfügbare Ausgabe dieses Titels. From Library Journal The recent retirement of Paul Volcker as chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System seems an appropriate time to look at the man and at the system itself. William R. Neikirk's Volcker ( LJ 10/15/87) brought out the subject's personality, convictions, and modus operandi. Greider ( The Education of David Stockman, LJ 10/15/82) touches on these characteristics, but focuses on the system's influence on world economy. Greider throws much light on how our nation's unelected managers of monetary policy make day-to-day decisions. A very readable narrative, recommended for academic and public libraries. M. Balachandran, Univ. of Illinois Lib., Urbana-Champaign Copyright 1987 Reed Business Information, Inc. -- Dieser Text bezieht sich auf eine vergriffene oder nicht verfügbare Ausgabe dieses Titels. Alle Produktbeschreibungen
I suggest, you take a look at the LaRouche Movement...
http://www.larouchepac.org