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Forum Post: ows is doing pretty well without me

Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 2, 2011, 9:38 p.m. EST by buik2 (66)
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sometimes i think, hey this is a pretty cool social movement maybe i should get involved.

but then i realize i am pretty happy with my life as it is, and plus, there numerous people far more adept than myself at this protest type shit, so i will just watch it and see what happens...

see, on here, its like "read this link educate yourself, etc etc." but when it comes down to it, fuck that shit, i just want to watch this thing from the sidelines and see what happens. i got too much to do already; i got a list a mile long and plus, it might cut into my nap time.

can i get a GOTdam witness on this?

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[-] 2 points by harding (15) 12 years ago

this movement is going to change the world- be a part of it - maybe a small part?- many years from now you will want to tell people that you were involved with ows. that you helped make the world a better place.+++training web page http://tinyurl.com/7rvpv43

[-] 1 points by buik2 (66) 12 years ago

maybe a small part. i have to go past occupy baltimore on tuesday and was thinking about rollin a blunt for those guys... i dont want to get anyone in trouble, tho. i guess we can take it off-site. that might be as far as i am willing to go for now, but if i were there, i'd certainly welcome a blunt-toting cyclist. i dont know that they are still there, but i think they are

i do respect what they are doing, and actually i think the movement has already changed the world. i think it will continue to grow in scope. i hope they dont get more involved in the political machine tho- that would ruin it for me. i am pretty sure this is about as far as a capitalistic representative democracy can go; i think that the current situation is the apex which is pretty sad i guess

[-] 0 points by necropaulis (491) 12 years ago

There's no need for you. Even the protestors are at the sidelines. They want what people have wanted ever since the caveman with fire ate good while the one without had to worry about being attacked by animals. The "education" they offer is biased and can't be trusted. This is as involved as I plan to get, because they have no vision, no endgame, and now they have resolved to squatting in foreclosed homes to get their point across. Do your list, and take your nap. At the end of the day, you will be miles ahead of the majority of these people

[-] 1 points by buik2 (66) 12 years ago

i kind of like how they piss people like you off. thats my favorite part : )

[-] 1 points by harding (15) 12 years ago

we use the Nonviolent -direct action struggle model- we demonstration / occupy in a way that will cause them to react. these are our tools- we drive them nuts+++++++

nonviolent protest & persuasion 198 of them

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198 Methods of Nonviolent Action. Practitioners of nonviolent struggle have an entire arsenal of "nonviolent weapons" at their disposal. Listed below are 198 of them, classified into three broad categories: nonviolent protest and persuasion, noncooperation (social, economic, and political), and nonviolent intervention. A description and historical examples of each can be found in volume two of The Politics of Nonviolent Action by Gene Sharp.

The Methods of Nonviolent Protest and Persuasion

Formal Statements

  1. Public Speeches
  2. Letters of opposition or support
  3. Declarations by organizations and institutions
  4. Signed public statements
  5. Declarations of indictment and intention
  6. Group or mass petitions

Communications with a Wider Audience

  1. Slogans, caricatures, and symbols
  2. Banners, posters, and displayed communications
  3. Leaflets, pamphlets, and books
  4. Newspapers and journals
  5. Records, radio, and television
  6. Skywriting and earthwriting

Group Representations

  1. Deputations
  2. Mock awards
  3. Group lobbying
  4. Picketing
  5. Mock elections

Symbolic Public Acts

  1. Displays of flags and symbolic colors
  2. Wearing of symbols
  3. Prayer and worship
  4. Delivering symbolic objects
  5. Protest disrobings
  6. Destruction of own property
  7. Symbolic lights
  8. Displays of portraits
  9. Paint as protest
  10. New signs and names
  11. Symbolic sounds
  12. Symbolic reclamations
  13. Rude gestures

Pressures on Individuals

  1. "Haunting" officials
  2. Taunting officials
  3. Fraternization
  4. Vigils

Drama and Music

  1. Humorous skits and pranks
  2. Performances of plays and music
  3. Singing

Processions

  1. Marches
  2. Parades
  3. Religious processions
  4. Pilgrimages
  5. Motorcades

Honoring the Dead

  1. Political mourning
  2. Mock funerals
  3. Demonstrative funerals
  4. Homage at burial places

Public Assemblies

  1. Assemblies of protest or support
  2. Protest meetings
  3. Camouflaged meetings of protest
  4. Teach-ins

Withdrawal and Renunciation

  1. Walk-outs
  2. Silence
  3. Renouncing honors
  4. Turning one’s back The Methods of Social Noncooperation

Ostracism of Persons

  1. Social boycott
  2. Selective social boycott
  3. Lysistratic nonaction
  4. Excommunication
  5. Interdict

Noncooperation with Social Events, Customs, and Institutions

  1. Suspension of social and sports activities
  2. Boycott of social affairs
  3. Student strike
  4. Social disobedience
  5. Withdrawal from social institutions

Withdrawal from the Social System

  1. Stay-at-home
  2. Total personal noncooperation
  3. "Flight" of workers
  4. Sanctuary
  5. Collective disappearance
  6. Protest emigration (hijrat) The Methods of Economic Noncooperation: Economic Boycotts

Actions by Consumers

  1. Consumers’ boycott
  2. Nonconsumption of boycotted goods
  3. Policy of austerity
  4. Rent withholding
  5. Refusal to rent
  6. National consumers’ boycott
  7. International consumers’ boycott

Action by Workers and Producers

  1. Workmen’s boycott
  2. Producers’ boycott

Action by Middlemen

  1. Suppliers’ and handlers’ boycott

Action by Owners and Management

  1. Traders’ boycott
  2. Refusal to let or sell property
  3. Lockout
  4. Refusal of industrial assistance
  5. Merchants’ "general strike"

Action by Holders of Financial Resources

  1. Withdrawal of bank deposits
  2. Refusal to pay fees, dues, and assessments
  3. Refusal to pay debts or interest
  4. Severance of funds and credit
  5. Revenue refusal
  6. Refusal of a government’s money

Action by Governments

  1. Domestic embargo
  2. Blacklisting of traders
  3. International sellers’ embargo
  4. International buyers’ embargo
  5. International trade embargo The Methods of Economic Noncooperation: The Strike

Symbolic Strikes

  1. Protest strike
  2. Quickie walkout (lightning strike)

Agricultural Strikes

  1. Peasant strike
  2. Farm Workers’ strike

Strikes by Special Groups

  1. Refusal of impressed labor
  2. Prisoners’ strike
  3. Craft strike
  4. Professional strike

Ordinary Industrial Strikes

  1. Establishment strike
  2. Industry strike
  3. Sympathetic strike

Restricted Strikes

  1. Detailed strike
  2. Bumper strike
  3. Slowdown strike
  4. Working-to-rule strike
  5. Reporting "sick" (sick-in)
  6. Strike by resignation
  7. Limited strike
  8. Selective strike

Multi-Industry Strikes

  1. Generalized strike
  2. General strike

Combination of Strikes and Economic Closures

  1. Hartal
  2. Economic shutdown The Methods of Political Noncooperation

Rejection of Authority

  1. Withholding or withdrawal of allegiance
  2. Refusal of public support
  3. Literature and speeches advocating resistance

Citizens’ Noncooperation with Government

  1. Boycott of legislative bodies
  2. Boycott of elections
  3. Boycott of government employment and positions
  4. Boycott of government departments, agencies, and other bodies
  5. Withdrawal from government educational institutions
  6. Boycott of government-supported organizations
  7. Refusal of assistance to enforcement agents
  8. Removal of own signs and placemarks
  9. Refusal to accept appointed officials
  10. Refusal to dissolve existing institutions

Citizens’ Alternatives to Obedience

  1. Reluctant and slow compliance
  2. Nonobedience in absence of direct supervision
  3. Popular nonobedience
  4. Disguised disobedience
  5. Refusal of an assemblage or meeting to disperse
  6. Sitdown
  7. Noncooperation with conscription and deportation
  8. Hiding, escape, and false identities
  9. Civil disobedience of "illegitimate" laws

Action by Government Personnel

  1. Selective refusal of assistance by government aides
  2. Blocking of lines of command and information
  3. Stalling and obstruction
  4. General administrative noncooperation
  5. Judicial noncooperation
  6. Deliberate inefficiency and selective noncooperation by enforcement agents
  7. Mutiny

Domestic Governmental Action

  1. Quasi-legal evasions and delays
  2. Noncooperation by constituent governmental units

International Governmental Action

  1. Changes in diplomatic and other representations
  2. Delay and cancellation of diplomatic events
  3. Withholding of diplomatic recognition
  4. Severance of diplomatic relations
  5. Withdrawal from international organizations
  6. Refusal of membership in international bodies
  7. Expulsion from international organizations The Methods of Nonviolent Intervention

Psychological Intervention

  1. Self-exposure to the elements
  2. The fast a) Fast of moral pressure b) Hunger strike c) Satyagrahic fast
  3. Reverse trial
  4. Nonviolent harassment

Physical Intervention

  1. Sit-in
  2. Stand-in
  3. Ride-in
  4. Wade-in
  5. Mill-in
  6. Pray-in
  7. Nonviolent raids
  8. Nonviolent air raids
  9. Nonviolent invasion
  10. Nonviolent interjection
  11. Nonviolent obstruction
  12. Nonviolent occupation

Social Intervention

  1. Establishing new social patterns
  2. Overloading of facilities
  3. Stall-in
  4. Speak-in
  5. Guerrilla theater
  6. Alternative social institutions
  7. Alternative communication system

Economic Intervention

  1. Reverse strike
  2. Stay-in strike
  3. Nonviolent land seizure
  4. Defiance of blockades
  5. Politically motivated counterfeiting
  6. Preclusive purchasing
  7. Seizure of assets
  8. Dumping
  9. Selective patronage
  10. Alternative markets
  11. Alternative transportation systems
  12. Alternative economic institutions

Political Intervention

  1. Overloading of administrative systems
  2. Disclosing identities of secret agents
  3. Seeking imprisonment
  4. Civil disobedience of "neutral" laws
  5. Work-on without collaboration
  6. Dual sovereignty and parallel government
[-] 1 points by buik2 (66) 12 years ago

199: walking around with your dick hanging out?

: )

[-] 0 points by necropaulis (491) 12 years ago

I'm not pissed about anything. Personally, I want to understand what this whole thing is supposed be about and how they are supposed bring about change. Most of the "big corps" aren't even based in the US anymore. Wall St. is just that anymore. A street. I'm broke as a joke, and take personal responsibilty for what I do with my life. Will I blame the rich or the government for my personal financial problems?? Hell to the no. At the end of the day, YOU are responsible for what happens to you.

[-] 1 points by buik2 (66) 12 years ago

lol yeh right buddy

[-] 0 points by necropaulis (491) 12 years ago

yeah, I know I'm right. You want to sit on the sidelines until the tide turns, and then what, jump in and pretend like you were there the whole time?? I was supporting your view in your original post. There is no reason to get involved, because if you step back, and see what these people are saying, you'll realize, at the end of the day, the majority have nothing to say outside of spouting the rhetoric the guy/girl before them spouted. If there was a plan in place I promise you, I wouldn't be saying what I am. I could give this whole thing more credibility. But there isn't. People are getting paid to protest, you don't see a problem with that??

[-] 1 points by ForwardFacing (5) 12 years ago

The U.N. has been sitting back and watching things unfold as well. Currently, a U.N. envoy is drafting a letter to our government regarding criticism of the U.S. government and support of the Occupy movement. Perhaps you may wish to look a little deeper into the meaning behind the movement. Or, perhaps you believe that you have information that the U.N. has over looked?

[-] 0 points by necropaulis (491) 12 years ago

I can draft my own letters. It doesn't mean that anything will happen. How many other countries with real problems criticize their government?? What does the UN do for them?? Gaddafi was a good example. When the guns were drawn and people started rooting out the problem through violence, they sat there and watched till things got too hot and sent in NATO forces. The meaning I have found-feel free to correct me if I'm wrong is: 1 People are sick of the super rich being super rich 2 People are sick of the banks taking money and blowing it on CEOs massive bonuses 3 The rift between the wealthy and the poor is getting larger every day and that's not good- which it isn't But this whole thing is starting to remind me of the Underpants Gnomes episode of South Park(follow me here if you've never seen it) where they show the kids how they are gonna make big money: Step 1: Protest Step 2: ???? Step 3: change. I know step 2 is the hardest, but so far all I hear is people regurgitating the same thing over and over. I guess I'm looking for an idea where there is none. At least not yet.

[-] 1 points by ForwardFacing (5) 12 years ago

You lost me at SouthPark. I find it to be irritating potty-humor. Anyways, OWS has gotten people talking, organizing and participating in OUR democracy. As an example, if you look at the work being done regarding the Citizen's United ruling, you'll see that there's a good chance that an ammendment will be made to nullify that ruling. Did OWS do this directly? No, not directly. But, they were the first group of people to loudly shout, "The Emperor has no clothing!"

[-] 0 points by necropaulis (491) 12 years ago

It may be irritating potty humor, but if you look at what some(not all) of the episodes actually have to say, you'll see real messages about what the writers feel about what is happening in this country. I don't see anyone in government saying anything about getting at the rich. If anything, many of the rich have come out to say that the high times are over and they should contribute more than they do. Did OWS do this?? Maybe, maybe not. And no they were not the first to let everyone know the rich are running the poor into the street.