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Forum Post: OWS - Get Organized!

Posted 2 years ago on Dec. 11, 2011, 4:25 p.m. EST by Leper1 (2)
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Wake up everyone. The banks and corporate America can only do what the law allows. The focus of this group needs to be on government... and getting the attention of our worthless leaders and how they are systematically erroding our rights and changing our country.
OWS could learn a lot from those who participated in the civil rights movement. This group desperately needs organization and focus.
Look at what is happening with voter suppression. If the citizens lose the right to vote we will have no infuence over anything else. It starts small but mark my word the suppression will spread.
How can we allow the government to arrest American citizens as terroriss with no proof and lock them up without due process? These are the things that will change our country forever. Wake up America! Don't think it can't happen here.

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[-] 2 points by OccupyAjobYouLosers (18) from Beacon, NY 2 years ago

THANK YOU! Finally some one understands! The government is the heart of the problem.

If the majority of the movement was people like you, they would have accomplished something..

[-] 1 points by Listof40 (233) 2 years ago

Hi... thanks for posting this link... The 99% declaration concerns all look very constructive and like very good ideas... To a certain degree, whether they post or not, there is a very large number of people who are reasonable about the issues that are happening in our current system... An important consideration is how exactly, amid histories broad examples, of problems with having a fair governance and interests in various attempts at political systems, can we get to a point where governance is looking after the well-being of the public? The first step is understanding the issues involved and for us to all being able to decide if we want to get on the same page, and what it would take to do that... The occupy movement, and the 99% list also, is very good and is a good example of looking at the core issues with our current system, and trying to bring awareness to address them... The ows movement is very good intentioned, and that should not be looked at lightly, it is very important... So i have a lot of praise for occupy and the members here who are all trying to bring about real progress...

How do you think the movement and members are doing overall so far?

Thanks, Dave

[-] 1 points by AFarewellToKings (1486) 2 years ago

I read much of your 40 items but it was difficult in the comment section - i understand the tech problem. It reminds me that corporations were given limited life-spans (charters?) in days gone by I imagine to prevent the ghastly situation we have today with corps more powerful than governments.

There are many concerned people here with many brilliant ideas, all of whom are genuinely trying to help. For starters you should be sure to post this to the wiki http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Main_Page As far as re-writing the laws to which is it seems to me what you are suggesting, I keep reminding people that you can't put the cart before the horse and expect to get very far. Protesting in the streets and submitting great ideas on the forum won't get us very much other than lip-service from our government or move us into government directly. That's where the Declaration comes in. It is the horse that will pull this cart full of wonderful ideas to a place where we can get all these on the table and let the authors take the stage to explain what they're trying to achieve.

But we are using the tools we have effectively enough to get us there. Job 1 is to hitch this wagon to the National General Assembly. The concept was born out of OWS and our collective failure to hold this 'Third Continental Congress' will turn this movement into an abject failure and could be the last chance for a very long time to break the strangle-hold of the corrupt two-party system. All the good ideas in the world will never see the light of day.

The working group on the 99% Declaration forges ahead with shockingly little visible support. When you consider what I've just said above and the fact that there is essentially ZERO downside risk to holding the NGA, it is a very disheartening sign that every member of this forum is not demanding as I have for 6 weeks now that there be a National General Assembly.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/876-leaders-republicrats-worst-nightmare-im-good-w/

[-] 1 points by Listof40 (233) 2 years ago

Hi and thanks for the link of the wiki... Yes, my comments list renumbered the follow-up points, do I can understand it may seem confusing. :/ I may try to point to another host site for it... and update the post...

I understand what you are saying, and u make some very good points... In general, I definitely like the 99% proposal, and think either way it should be implemented.. Of course both our concerns are whether any approach will be either successful of accessing the system, or being effective when integrated into the political system... Even the idea of constitution is very good, of course, but systems of government can be unfortunately influenced internally by problems that can be driven by language actually, and those who use this to their advantage... this advantage is difficult to overcome without also bringing this to light and directly addressing it, and its influences on the process...

Again I think the 99% declaration is very good and the more good ideas can get consensus on, I think is important to the momentum of progress even just in general as well... I share your concern with how fractured discussions can be, it has been this way through history, so I understand trying to get the 99% declaration moving forward, and it's ideals out there... Political machinery is difficult to get moving in many ways, so any progress is good...

Thanks for the info and comments, Dave

[-] 1 points by AFarewellToKings (1486) 2 years ago

I failed to instill the urgency of the situation and you missed the qualitative difference between our concerns. My concern is getting the team hitched to the cart, your concern is the contents of the cart. What's in the cart will never go anywhere if the team of draft horses doesn't get successfully harnessed and hitched.

Please consider this:

http://thedeclarationofdesperation.wordpress.com/

[-] 1 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 2 years ago

I'm 68 years old. I participated in the civil rights movement and in virtually every other social movement in America in the last half century and from my vantage point OWS has very little to learn from past movements, which is not to say nothing, but my point is, I think it has already taken away major lessons from past movements, has moved well beyond them and is considerably more politically mature than any social movement I have seen in the last 50 years.

[-] 1 points by stuartchase (861) 2 years ago

No, this company does as it pleases because not enough people are holding it accountable.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/make-a-stand-join-the-clan/

The Revolution starts here!

[-] 1 points by stuartchase (861) 2 years ago

Here's the perfect place.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/make-a-stand-join-the-clan/

The Revolution starts here!

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 2 years ago

I wholeheartedly agree. There are plenty of good causes out there, but what is the sense of focusing on them right now if our constitutional rights are being taken away. There will come a day where protesting will be outlawed (that is if we keep going down the road we are presently on.) Right now, OWS is considered low-grade terrorists by DHS; however, in the U.K. the occupiers over there are flat out considered terrorists.

It is like we are heading backwards into the age of McCarthyism only this time around the code word isn't "Red" or "Commie", but "terrorist". Homeland security's home terrorist profile list is flat out scary and could be anyone. Millions of Americans could easily fit into there broad and insane profile. This is really, really alarming.

OWS, I beg you to take up this issue--it is urgent! Once our constitutional rights go--the show is over--you will not be able to accomplish what you set out to accomplish. This movement will be in jeopardy if this rape of our constitutional rights keep going on. PLEASE PLAN LARGE MARCHES/PROTESTS IN D.C. The time to do something is NOW--before it is too late.

[-] 1 points by AFarewellToKings (1486) 2 years ago

don't beg. Demand.

NGA NOW all roads lead to Philadelphia

http://occupywallst.org/forum/876-leaders-republicrats-worst-nightmare-im-good-w/

[-] 1 points by Listof40 (233) 2 years ago

Thanks for the kind words... If you would like to look at some more of my take on this, you can look at my Occupy List of 40 - Consent for Governance Statement post i made about 30 minutes ago... I hope this is in the same spirit as what you guys are suggesting here as well... Good job guys! Dave

[-] 1 points by Listof40 (233) 2 years ago

This is a very good post... If we want there to be change to the issues, a constructive useable approach is necessary... This would mean we would evaluate what has not worked well in the past, to recognize that simply calling out questionable policy does not necessarily cause those in places of decision, to change their minds... So how would we proceed? No matter how well meaning we are, it is important to not make mistakes in these areas which could undermine good effort... If we can all choose to be on the same page, in terms of a measured approach, we can make progress, not just in our particular interests, but for essentially everyone... Good post...

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