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Forum Post: OWS friends, I need some advice...Oh what to do...

Posted 11 years ago on Jan. 17, 2012, 1:37 p.m. EST by debndan (1145)
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The primary season is upon us, and I live in ohio

Now here's the problem, when I vote this spring I can vote as a republican for a real conservative like newt G and not that corpratist leftist romney

Or I can vote as a DEM and vote for Angela Zimmann


she's a Lutheran minister and a professor (I have a fondness for the professor types)

She would be the perfect candidate against the GOP's Latta, to stop his war on the middle class

I'm really in a bind

what does a conservative do here?



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[-] 2 points by freakyfriday (179) 11 years ago

I don;t understand. Does Ohio require you vote straight ticket? Vote your conscious. Ahh, you are taking primary I bet? Then still vote for Angela. Newt can;t win the gop nomination anyway. I am starting to think that paying more attention to local politics is a better way to really make a change. Bottom up and all.

[-] 2 points by XaiverBuchsIV (508) 11 years ago

"a real conservative like newt G"

Adulterer, draft dodger and dead-beat dad, first house speaker sanctioned for ethics violations, revolving door with lobbyists, millions from Freddie Mac, Newt's a real conservative alright!

That's almost as funny as "corpratist leftist romney"!

[-] -2 points by debndan (1145) 11 years ago

Newt helped push the reagan revolution back when romney was against reagan, and Newt's contract with america brought the GOP into control of the House for first time in 40 years

Newt has been consistantly prolife, progun

But Romney is a leftist for his proabortionist, antigun, pro china commie agenda (not to mention Romney care)

you guys just don't get it?

your antiamerican, anti christian, anti freedom and democracy agenda will fail

Your HYPOCRISY is that vivid

[-] 2 points by nucleus (3291) 11 years ago

The RayGun revolution was the kiss of death for the USA.

[-] 1 points by debndan (1145) 11 years ago

I'll just have to agree to disagree with you on that.

The problems our country now faces were created by bush&co

And the GOP is corrupt, and needs to be opposed

My hope is that any real conservative or liberal can see this and work together to protest and/or defeat these neoconservatives and libertarians that would let our country collapse like they are with the post office, our schools, and communities

[-] 2 points by nucleus (3291) 11 years ago

Clinton enacted NAFTA, signed the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act (which replaced Glass-Steagall), eviscerated social services (welfare reform), the Telecommunications Act of 1996 (allowing consolidation and cross-ownership of media), etc., etc.

Reagan cut taxes on the rich, raised taxes on everyone else (11 times), and tripled the national debt with massive deficit spending. He is the origin of "deficits don't matter" (remember that quaint republican policy?) and the fallacy that tax cuts create jobs.

All presidents (and the vast majority of all politicians) are tools of the corporate financial complex. You can't even get into the race if you are not.


[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 11 years ago

sounds like an honest question to me....

debndan, I say... as an independent for a long time... the current gop party is not for anyone but themselves.... and that includes most of the dems...

if you got a dem you like well enough to even consider the switch... go for it... the old guard need to go away....

[-] 1 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 11 years ago

"what does a conservative do here?"

First, stop being a conservative. If you genuinely want "to stop ..... war on the middle class" stop supporting those policies, virtually all conservative, that have waged that war in favor of the wealthy.

[-] 1 points by debndan (1145) 11 years ago

I understand your misunderstanding of what it means to be a conservative. For the past 40 years the neoconservatives have been working to rebrand themselves as conservatives, and for the past 12 years they have been successful.

The current crowd that typically call themselves conservative are anything but conservatives. And that's the point of my post. These guys like Romney are not conservatives, nor were they ever.

Reagan was the last truly conservative Republican president. And let's look at his record and compare.

Reagan fought against communist's and refused trade with china

The neocons LOVE china and cozy up to communists

Reagan helped people around the world strive for freedom to overthrow dictatorships

Neocons celebrate dictatorships as good for business

Reagan broke up AT&T because it was a monopoly that stifled innovation (this actually is a conservative Ideal-started by teddy roosevelt)

Neocons never met a monopoly they didn't like

Reagan saved social security for the next generation (us)

Neocons want to destroy it

Reagan after lowering everyones taxes, ended up raising taxes on the wealthy and closing loopholes for higher earners to close the deficit and so that our system of government could be conserved

Neocons lowered taxes on wealthy 12 years ago and are breaking our system, the only revenues they are considering are those that would come from ending the child tax credit

Neocons have rebranded themselves, then they consistantly ask when the 'next' reagan would come

Point is, they would never nominate another like Reagan

If any Republican tried to do those things that I listed reagan did, these jagoff neocons would label him a leftist, which is what is happening to Newt.

Now, I'm not trying to convince any liberals here that Reagan was great, I know we will never see eye to eye on this

And that's fine, because the important part is that we can all agree the biggest problems we face were created by the republican party` of the past 12 years, and many neolibs in the democratic party as well

And my larger point is that the GOP establishment is hypocritical and corrupt, that they do not represent the average person, and that issues like abortion and gun rights are merely wedge issues they exploit.

I'm just trying to wake up my conservative brethren to these facts. And to the fact they have much more in common with OWS then they do with neocons.



[-] -1 points by CurveOfBindingEnergy (165) 11 years ago

You could perform a public service by putting a gun to your own head and blowing your lack of brains out.

[-] 0 points by debndan (1145) 11 years ago

wow, straight from satan himself, you hate and destroy everything you shills touch

Keep talking, you prove me right with your own words

Any REAL christians or conservatives out there, read the above, this IS the real GOP of today

[-] 2 points by CurveOfBindingEnergy (165) 11 years ago

I'm not a Christian, I'm not a conservative, and I'm not GOP.

That's what you are, supporting an ass-wipe like Newt.

[-] -1 points by debndan (1145) 11 years ago

Doesn't change the fact that your a shill

just a matter of whom's shill you are

To suggest your opponent should commit suicide instead of actually engaging them in discussion, only weakens your position, only a fool or a liar would fear ideas of others.

Faux news is a case in point, they lie and distort, then try to stifle dissent.

I take it from your post, you dislike them as well, but that may just be self loathing, as you're no different then them in the kinds of asinine statements that they, too, make

[-] 1 points by CurveOfBindingEnergy (165) 11 years ago

Who are you shilling for?

[+] -5 points by smartcapitalist (143) 11 years ago

I have never liked Republicans (and particularly hated Busy) but Mitt Romney is the best candidate as far as I am concerned.

[-] 2 points by debndan (1145) 11 years ago

wow, romney? really? He represents ALL that is so terribly wrong with america today.

The thought that the monied intrest is supreme and that corporations are people and that outsourcing is good ALL CAME from Romney and bane capital that he founded.

Romney is merely one of the owners of the reptilian party stepping forward to run things his way. He believes democracy is a nuisance (yes, he's actually said this in public before) and that a command society like what you find in corporations is what we need at the national level.

If he is EVER elected, kiss freedom good bye douche bag

[+] -4 points by smartcapitalist (143) 11 years ago

Yeah Romney. He has the business acumen to see the country through this turmoil. As for Bain Capital, it is a very successful fund. His record in Massachusetts is also very good.

[-] 1 points by debndan (1145) 11 years ago

his business acumen is of the type that caused the turmoil, crony capitalism is not capitalism.

The Idea that some wealthy ruling elite is somehow more able to rule is more akin to MAO than Reagan

Remember the last truly conservative thinker? William F. Buckley stated that you'd find better leaders by opening a phone book and picking at random, then relying on political dynasties.

George Washington fought against that form of government, and we don't need to reimpliment it by voting in some govenors son.

And his record at bane and in Mass is an exorcise in leftism ( he doesn't qualify as liberal, they care for their fellow human)

case in point.

It's liberal to believe in a woman's right to choose abortion

It's leftist to run the company that disposes of the dead babies' bodies and making a profit from it is inhuman.

[-] -2 points by smartcapitalist (143) 11 years ago

Dude, if you want to spew rhetoric carry it elsewhere.

[-] 2 points by debndan (1145) 11 years ago

This isn't rhetoric, This isn't put out there anywhere else that I'm aware of..... But give it time and It'll be rhetoric

And calling it so, isn't an answer, that's why you guys will go down in flames, because of a real piece of rhetoric

Truth is self evident

And even if this line is rhetoric, it's still true, as is my above post.