Forum Post: OWS fractures over "99 Percent Declaration"
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 20, 2011, 1:24 a.m. EST by precipice
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According to email logs, one OWS working group has gone rogue.
The 99PercentDeclaration website calls itself "An OWS Working Group," and recently posted a list of Occupy demands (such as withdrawal of troops in Iraq and passage of the Dream Act for immigration reform). The site has gained publicity and to date 85,000 views.
The only problem is, The99PercentDeclaration went rogue and is not supported by the movement.
Full story at http://www.occupyr.com/General/thread.php?id=211
1) Moratorium on Foreclosures for Single-Family, Residential Properties
2) Loan Modification for All Single-Family, Residential Properties
3) Student Loan Amnesty
4) Wall St. Transfer Tax on The Sale, Exchange, Purchase of Financial Instruments
5) Investigation into the Housing Bubble, Derivatives Trading, and (Fraud) Foreclosures
One problem was that they did their best to misrepresent themselves. Another was their inclusion of an executive committee and elected delegates in their ideas. The very choosing of these could not help but pit one group of occupiers against another group of occupiers, while the whole point of the consensus process is to avoid that and demonstrate another way of conducting business. For me, these were worth a solid BLOCK!
couldnt hurt anything
well, the issue is that they are essentially claiming to be "official demands" for ows. that's misinformation.
in fact, I would say that is misappropriation.
I agree, they misrepresented themselves, for all intents and purposes....
News stories have claimed to have found the official list before, and were clobbered with negative comments. I don't think they will fall for that again.
unforchunately. a lot of websites are picking up the 99 percent dec as an official source.
I took a look at it, and I actually agree on most of what they say. They cover the really big points, but I think it should be a bit more condemning of the federal reserve.
get organized or they will fracture further. the GA needs to give people a voice and if they are not doing so fractures will happen. If they had a wiki and 1001 sub forums, such things could be handled in house. lacking such organization and operating as an anarchy- it is natural for others to seek to create meaningful order. This is one more reason why a wiki is a clear and present emergency. Without one OWS will fracture into affinity groups, this is only the beginning.
ultimately, you are not in a position and nobody is to brainstorm up mere demands. demands are stupid and infantile. complaints and then problem defintions and then detailed problem solutions are great. that requires time and homework to generate, not bong hits and then a brainstormed imagine yourself as emperor of the world Scrawl. this kind of thing does not help the movement, it just gives the powers that be ammo against us and prevents meaningful conversations which have depth or open source research and problem solving because you and everyone else imagines we can just skip all the steps and churn out "demands." Listen to the other people in the movement who are wisely saying NO to demands lists. I have demands, they are to the movement itself- thats where the real game is.
"Would you rather have war in this land? Do not confront me work with me...Civil unrest could very well lead to civil war... This list will prevent civil war.... Infantile, we are all infants in conciseness, which explains your poor choice of words.... You should be telling me how to make the list better not how it will never work."
? gawdoftruth (Santa Barbara, CA) 1 points 0 seconds ago
no, you need to drop making lists of demands. period. until you do open source research and science centered problem solving with other people, you have nothing to say worth repeating. your brain storming in ignorance. it sounds really really awesome to you- but for many people your tone def. Making demands is itself a sign of infantilism. period. Take responsibility and start working the problems in a deep and real way. I should not have to run through this further with you. This is a ludicrous sense of direction, it is not helping the movement and its not useful or meaningful for long term strategy in fact all it is is a giant set of red rings to give the pundits a clear target.
I don't want war. how i stop the war is to work the problems in a deep way and address the war. Not make demands. I'm an adult, not a seven year old, not a hostage taker, not a terrorist. I don't make demands, i communicate evolutionary truths. If ten thousand people follow my example we can have an evolution. If you run around like a bunch of punk alpha dominant azzholes, i promise you, all of your demands will lead to nothing but scorn and alienation.
but i can expect that we will find good solid means to that end instead of self sabotaging means to that end. Change your communication strategy. These are main political issues which you find to be critical. Now ask people to join you in reasearching them and working on these problems open source. You think you have the end product. instead you have a starting point. remove the "demands" from "demands" and replace with "these are the issues i want to discuss which seem critical to me." There you go. Thats the real process. "Demands " is itself what big Bruddah wants precisely because that makes us the ones holding wall street hostage. Domestic terrorism even when called non violent is still in essence domestic terrorism. Terrorists issue demands. Evolutionary patriots form think tanks.
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troll
Funny. A troll trying to distract.
^Troll post. Move along, nothing to see here.
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