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Forum Post: Original Sin 2017

Posted 1 year ago on April 30, 2017, 2:23 p.m. EST by agkaiser (2244) from Fredericksburg, TX
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The domestication/enslavement of animals, agriculture and the invention of a god who approved such, followed by the debt enslavement of the human race is the ongoing Original Sin. In short, Original Sin is civilization/submission to and domination by ruling elite parasites.

The story of the rise of civilization and its displacement of a sustainable culture and economy, hunting and gathering, is told in the biblical book of Genesis. It starts with abandoning the garden of eden by the invention of the evil of animal enslavement. Cain murders Abel because the god of the pastoral people felt threatened by settled farmers who interrupted nomadic wanderings. By the end of the book people had been enslaved with debt by a commodities trader/tax collector, Joseph, who acted in the name of political leadership and priesthood.

Since then we've been so used to slavery that we're easily distracted with electronic baubles and beads, specious notions of freedom and twisted morality/religion that we don't even notice the force used on anyone who resists domination by the Wall St. tyrants who centrally plan our economy and lives.

If we're to be saved, we'll have to save ourselves. If we want to be free of the ravages of original sin, we'll have to find a contemporary way to stop committing it. That can begin by curing ourselves of the financial parasites that have been threatening the human race for nearly four thousand years. The FIRE sector is a parasitic disease that afflicts human culture.



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[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

''Reign of Idiots'', by Chris Hedges:

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 1 year ago

good one!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

''The idiots take over in the final days of crumbling civilizations. Idiot generals wage endless, unwinnable wars that bankrupt the nation. Idiot economists call for reducing taxes for the rich and cutting social service programs for the poor, and project economic growth on the basis of myth. Idiot industrialists poison the water, the soil and the air, slash jobs and depress wages. Idiot bankers gamble on self-created financial bubbles and impose crippling debt peonage on the citizens. Idiot journalists and public intellectuals pretend despotism is democracy. Idiot intelligence operatives orchestrate the overthrow of foreign governments to create lawless enclaves that give rise to enraged fanatics. Idiot professors, “experts” and “specialists” busy themselves with unintelligible jargon and arcane theory that buttresses the policies of the rulers. Idiot entertainers and producers create lurid spectacles of sex, gore and fantasy.

''There is a familiar checklist for extinction. We are ticking off every item on it.

The idiots know only one word—“more.” They are unencumbered by common sense. They hoard wealth and resources until workers cannot make a living and the infrastructure collapses. They live in privileged compounds where they eat chocolate cake and order missile strikes. They see the state as a projection of their vanity. The Roman, Mayan, French, Habsburg, Ottoman, Romanov, Wilhelmine, Pahlavi and Soviet dynasties crumbled because the whims and obsessions of ruling idiots were law.''

The extract above is from the Hedges article [ http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46973.htm ]

Hope you're well flip & solidarity to you, mayda & clan. To end here now, I will append the following:

Btw, I can not recommend bw's excellent article to you and any and all readers here enough!

e tenebris, lux?

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 1 year ago

another good one! hudson is really one the money - pun intended.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

One of the main architects of US Hegemony died today flip & tho' US Establishment will mourn him, the reality is, Zbigniew Brzezinski was a major primary root of AQ/ISIS & a current 'World Disorder' that has its roots in the Neoliberal Economics that Prof. Dr.Michael Hudson speaks against. My best wishes and solidarity to U, mayda & all your family and crew.

From which:''Democracy in America has been destroyed by special interest groups, by a US Supreme Court decision that gave the reins of power to special interest groups, and by a hoax war on terror that has destroyed the US Constitution.''

e tenebris lux ...

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 1 year ago

here is our boy zbig in his own words - Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?

B: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

B: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Zbigniew Brzezinski is dead and I've got to be honest, it's not a moment too soon and indeed, probably decades too late!!! Mikhail Gorbachev predicted the rise of a militant, Political Islamism but people like Zbig, Richard Pearl & the then Proto-Neocons didn't care!! Now we have what we have due to that AND the US/UK alliance with the Saudi Despots! It make me fkn sick tbh. Thanx for a great excerpt and fyi:

Finally flip, in a context of Syria; please consider: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47136.htm

fiat lux et fiat pax ...

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 1 year ago

i don't know all that much about the syrian war except that we helped to fund the rebels from the get go. pretty sure assad is not someone i want to be backing but as putin says the state must be stabilized. assad and his daddy are tyrants and criminals - no? of course he was ok when we renditioned people there to torture them. i realize that the white helmets are a propaganda tool of the west but again not sure i want to go as far as your article. i will read it carefully later

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Hafez Al Assad was a homicidal tyrant .. who also constructed a viable, mutli-ethnic; multi-confessional state .. which had universal healthcare; fully funded degree level education & a feared secret police!!! I've no real wish to defend a dead tyrant - but I'll question the motives of living ones in Arab Monarchies too!! Bashar Al Assad was the English trained, eye surgeon married to a born in London, Western Educated woman & both these two people were THE hope to start to transform Syrian Society BUT reactionary & conservative elements in Syria and their backers abroad - could NOT stand that notion! I could go on at some length but I will just limit myself to the five links below for now ...

fiat lux et fiat pax ...

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 1 year ago

yes i understand all of that and more. we are trying to destroy another state

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

The plan to break Syria is old, with oil and gas pipelines being part of the picture. A modern country has been reduced to ruin and rubble and, The Vast Majority of Syrians would go back to the status quo ante bellum in a heartbeat because they are a multi-confessional nation, who'd rather the controlled transition to democracy than the rule of foreign funded fighters,many of whom are RWNJ sectarian head-choppers!

caveat actor ...

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 1 year ago

Flip, you may have missed a Neanderthal Y-chromosome in your pun! I invite you to visit the beautiful Hudson River Valley(to this valley you're coming!) to see it for real yourself. Riverside/Morningside Heights is a very nice neighborhood for a base camp(for heterosexuals like us[I like brunette] - as a teenager, I was "noted" by a schoolgirl). We can watch the sunrise from the precipice overlooking East Harlem, at Morningside Heights (with Morningside Park separating the exclusively privileged from the exclusively underprivileged). Who knows if or when the geological fault giving rise to the precipice will reactivate so we'll visit the Riverside Church or St. Paul's Chapel beforehand and pray. Maybe it was Not the Original "Sin" but the Original Fault which Pangu had made.

Read the names etched on the frieze of Butler Library. An olive tree grown from a seed takes forty years to bear olives, just sufficient to have all of the sinful generation perish in the Sinai wilderness without reaching the Promised Land. Athena and God conspire, "Restrict intergenerational knowledge from the eating of the Fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil to keep Wisdom(which requires Faith, this is why dogs are likelier to end up in Heaven than cats) precious."

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22833) 1 year ago

How we are mind-managed:

This is a mind blowing piece about how the alt-right and tech companies have joined together with the rest of the oligarchs to mind manage us and usurp our democracy. A must read.


The focus of the piece is on the Brexit vote however it is obvious that these tactics are and have been used on all sorts of elections, campaigns and political movements.

[-] 1 points by JPB950 (2254) 1 year ago

Unfortunately there is no going back. There are too many people for us to live a hunter/gatherer life now.

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2244) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

It's the commitment to and by community, not the [literal] economy. that's required for continued survival. That necessarily more egalitarian model sustained humanity for hundreds of thousands if not millions of years. Our winner take all model is destroying itself after ten thousand or less. We're on a dead end path. We must get ourselves together or die altogether.

[-] 1 points by JPB950 (2254) 1 year ago

That model worked well of small family groups, it's never transferred well to large diverse populations. I don't see humanity able to make that adaptation. I do agree however that we my go extinct, in some part due to it.

[-] 2 points by agkaiser (2244) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

yep. no doubt the idiot majority and their moron leaders will continue to choose self destruction. So much for free will. It's like Mark Twain said, "Most people don't think. They just think they think."

We'll never choose life. So you might just as well commit suicide now and save yourself a lot of pain. I, however, will continue to suffer and struggle against stupidity till the day I die of whatever fate gets me. Surrender to liars, fools or specious indoctrinates spouting trite "common wisdom*" will not be my choice.

  • *wisdom is uncommon
[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2244) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

The ownership of more property than an economic unit of equals needs for its life and livelihood is a symptom of the parasitic disease that afflicts our economy and culture. The rich are a threat to the survival of the human race. They are a disease that we must cure if we are to survive. They're more dangerous than all the tyrants and terrorists since the beginning of civilization.

I'll vote for anyone who promises to tax the rich until they are no more and the disease is cured. Part of the prognosis will be, of course, to communitize the FIRE sector and do what needs to be done - by and for the people on a non-profit basis.

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2244) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

Civilization has been twisted and misshapen to enslave the many for the benefit of the few. I'm advocating for a sustainable culture and economy by displacing those who've distorted the law to advance their own power and greed. Don't project your small-minded failure to comprehend into my mouth, Today.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 1 year ago

The mortgage interest deduction is a huge distortion of the tax laws to advance mostly Whites' power and greed. Our government subsidizes debts and punishes producers. It's no surprise that we are drowning in debts and our productions are very mentally retarded with the government subsidizing huge agribusiness conglomerates so that they can lord it over the smaller competitors. Who are the owners of these conglomerates? More Whites or Blacks? I hate to delve into this very stupid "race" idea but it is very real in its effects so sorry, I have to speak in vocabulary that the people still in Plato's Cave can understand.

Yes, I can be very politically incorrect. Men and women ARE different(women's toilets should have either more stalls or female urinals due to women's lack of an extendable urethra - women often have male partners who hover outside of the women's very clean and lounge-like restroom{do women take naps in there?} waiting for them to come back out[I went through the battle of the default toilet seat position up or down with my Mom so I'm a veteran speaking from experience!]), and Whites and Blacks racial classifications have some truths to them but they are largely misleading people by giving them a distorting lens to see through. Remember this though, the terrible problem with the Hubble Space Telescope with a wrongly grounded lens was FIXED by adding a corrective lens which ALSO distorted light! Voilà, 20/20 space vision! In sharp details, we could see Pangu's Cleaving Creation at Orion's sword(or is this the hunter's phallus performing, forming babe stars like Trapezium?). The answer, M(isty )42, was spewed out by Deep Thought. It was Ecstasy in Times Square on West 42nd Street, (》oder die Ekstase der Heiligen Theresa von Avila《) looking up Heavenly Bodies.

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2244) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

The entire FIRE sector is parasitic. The ownership of more property than an economic unit of equals needs for its life and livelihood is a symptom of the parasitic disease that afflicts our economy and culture. The rich are a threat to the survival of the human race. They are a disease that we must cure if we are to survive. They're more dangerous than all the tyrants and terrorists since the beginning of civilization.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33645) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

OK So correct me if I'm wrong You advocate a society of zero laws

People carry your defense with you at all times and be ready to kill anyone at ant time - because a society without laws is a society that will be extremely violent.

Sorry - but this only allows you of the middle class and the poor class to exercise the same rights as the wealthy few.