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Forum Post: Open Letter to Senator Warren

Posted 4 years ago on March 9, 2014, 8:34 p.m. EST by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT
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Dear Senator,

I recall several years ago reading an article in the news paper about some U.N. representatives from over 40 island nations appearing at the U.N. begging for action on Global Warming. It seems they were already witnessing an increase in sea level rise and feeling the pressure on their living space and fresh water supply. This was the occasion that produced the first of two poems I have included below. The global response at that time was muted to say the least, and denial of the fact of Global Warming here in the U.S. was loud, authoritative, and unquestioning.

Since that time we have seen a parade of global temperature records fall one after another [1]

we have seen an increase in nighttime high temperatures [2]

and we have seen individual day time high temperature records fall by the hundreds in a single day and continue to do so day after day for an extended period of time over a wide swath of the nation [3]

We have also seen the Arctic ice cap thin to its lowest point in human history [4]

and the Greenland Ice Sheet - a mass of land based ice - is spewing 48 cubic miles of ice each year as it shrinks [5]

We know the seas are rising. The seas are rising at a point in human history where 25% of the human population lives within 100 kilometers of the sea. Rising sea level means absolute catastrophe not just for New York and Miami, but for India, China, Vietnam, Bangladesh, the Maldives and Marshall Islands [6]

We know that a warmer atmosphere holds more moisture, and we know that water vapor is itself, a green house gas, [7] and that this, as with a shrinking ice cap, represents another feed back loop [8]

We also have every confidence that James Hansen is correct, temperatures are not only rising, but rising much faster than predicted, and the extreme weather events we have witnessed during the past decade and a half are a direct result of Global Warming [9]

And still we see the denialists are hard at work. Just recently 24 house repelicans voted to deny global warming. [10]

Perhaps they say to themselves that this is simply God's plan and that everything will turn out alright.

Surely faith in God is a fine thing, and not to be disparaged. But I have heard there is but one God, and the one God that I have heard of demands more than faith alone.

That God insists - faith without works is dead.

If we do nothing in the face of Global Warming we are dead.

Even Pentagon Threat Assessments make it clear - Global Warming is an issue of immediate national concern [11]

It is virtually certain that hundreds of millions of environmental refugees will soon result from loss of land based ice, and nothing short of Volcanic Perturbation will prevent it. But if we sit here and DO NOTHING, then I fear we will consign all of humanity to huddling in the dark and weeping, as the power goes out, while storms rage overhead, sweeping all of civilization off of the face of the planet and into the faded pages of history.



There is a lot of static on the air waves.

Turn the dial, it's all hiss and then some garble.

We're in some minor kind of heat wave,

that's all that you can hear among the babble.

Ninety-three degrees up at the airport.

Four days within September, two broken records.

Some kid shut up his school by making threats;

a house a-fire, another woman dead;

the papers pages filled with theives and liars.

The truth among the news you barely see

consumed by all the senseless tragedy.

Over forty island nations going under -

very very slowly slipping under -

by the melting of the icecaps, and rising of the sea.


© D. Winter

this piece first appeared in print November 24, 1999



Nature's Autumn

Noontime shadows lengthen, sunlight pales,

leaves slowly browning as the year blends autumn.

Brilliant flaming colors paint the hills

defiant joy in death, Nature's subtle hymn.


Warmth, morning's early promise, no avail,

cold damp descends in darkness on the land.

The flaming trees too quickly stripped by gales

that leave the branches hung like barren hands.


Morning after morning, the sky seems mourning.

It weeps it's little bitter acid tears.

The heedless hands of men have wrought this burning

bitter rain, without a care, concern, or fear.


Beware, this is Nature's silent warning:

a greater madness man is spawning.


© D. Winter

Nature's Autumn first appeared in the Vermont Times, November 24, 1999.


[1] https://www.wmo.int/pages/mediacentre/press_releases/pr_983_en.html

[2] http://www.climatecentral.org/blogs/record-warm-nighttime-temperatures-a-closer-look

[3] http://www.climatecentral.org/blogs/more-records-broken-as-rare-march-heat-wave-continues/

[4] http://drich13.newsvine.com/_news/2012/09/26/14110762-this-is-not-cool-video

[5] http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/tag/greenland-ice-sheet/

[6] http://www.globalgreen.org/articles/global/95

[7] http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/vapor_warming.html

[8] http://cires.colorado.edu/news/press/2013/watervapor.html

[9] http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/climate-change-is-here--and-worse-th%20an-we-thought/2012/08/03/6ae604c2-dd90-11e1-8e43-4a3c4375504a_story.html

[10] http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/01/28/3215971/house-members-deny-climate-change/

[11] http://www.globalresearch.ca/pentagon-calls-climate-change-impacts-threat-multipliers-could-enable-terrorism/5372112





That's who I am,

who are you?



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[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (33480) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

So others can copy your example and speak-up speak-out as well:



[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33480) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

How about an on-line link to C-span? {:-])

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33480) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

U.S. Senate: Climate Change Began Airing 4:00pm EDT

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33480) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

It's really SAD - I have been watching our ( self proclaimed ? ) environmental champions speak for three hours now - AND - while they make some well thought out and researched points - STILL - fail in the overall of the needed changes to be made. Yep one ( Al Franken ) touted fracking for natural gas as a good thing - totally skipping over the fact of how fracking pollutes our air ( massively ) with methane - but also pollutes our drinking water - water on the surface as well as in the aquifers and also pollutes our land/soil.


[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33480) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

DKAtoday ‏@DKAtoday

@climatechangecspan https://occupywallst.org/forum/open-letter-to-senator-warren/#comment-1025707 … Truly a sad statement of our governments lack of comprehension. Speak-UP PEOPLE

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33480) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

DKAtoday ‏@DKAtoday

@jeffsessions Remove Urself from office and take some "sessions" in school - get an edumacation on the environment. Ur such an embarrassment

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33480) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

DKAtoday ‏@DKAtoday

@alfranken What a dismal failure ur speech on climate change is when U tout a major polluting Industry "fracking" as a good thing. Wake-UP


[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33480) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Yeah I know - WTF !!!

Bernie is speaking right now.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33480) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Thanks Bernie ( applause ) your speech was impassioned and on point - you only let me down in not being able to forward more viable alternatives to fossil fuel than touting wind turbines and solar cells. But at least unlike Franken you did not make the colossal mistake of touting the massively polluting industry of fracking for natural gas.


DKAtoday ‏@DKAtoday Protected Tweets 10s

@SenSanders https://occupywallst.org/forum/open-letter-to-senator-warren/#comment-1025699 … A better speech than Franken but still - U could've done better on 4warding alternatives 2 fossil fuel

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33480) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

DKAtoday ‏@DKAtoday

@SenTimKaine It's not just CO2 emissions that need 2 be eliminated but fossil fuel = coal pollution - from the ashes. Coal is not clean

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33480) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago


DKAtoday ‏@DKAtoday

@cspan climate change Good issue - 2 bad our rep(s) seem not 2 B aware of REAL "VIABLE" fossil fuel alternates - for 1 thorium reactors

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33480) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Amy - tweet

DKAtoday ‏@DKAtoday

@amyklobuchar Nice speech = global warming 2bad U didn't 4ward viable alternatives - like thorium reactors - Thank G U didn't 4ward fracking

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33480) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

DKAtoday ‏@DKAtoday

@edwardmarkley Nice speech = global warming - thanks 4 showing how green employes as much as fossil fuel though green is not as large as yet


[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (33480) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

I find that very disturbing as well. This is exactly why we can not depend on our elected representatives to properly represent us. This is why every man woman and child needs to speak-up speak-out and refuse policies that go against all of our best interests. We Have got to call them out and tell them how it really has got to be - and remove them from office when they fail to support our best interests. And so I will call her out on that = http://elizabethwarren.com/contact - and I hope everyone here will as well.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33480) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Speaking of those who don't represent our best interests ( or our interests "at all" ) - here is one to boot - I kindly asked him to remove himself:

DKAtoday ‏@DKAtoday

@jeffsessions Remove Urself from office and take some "sessions" in school - get an edumacation on the environment. Ur such an embarrassment

[-] 2 points by JGriff99mph (507) 4 years ago
  • the prize in the ground is oil
  • the pollution goes back to the soil
  • the right will deny
  • the left will tax high
  • neither one will cut the cord like a mohel :)
[-] 2 points by JGriff99mph (507) 4 years ago
  • Pollution is thick in the air
  • the ground, the water who cares?
  • the right will deny
  • the left will tax high
  • And neither will provide you whats fair
[-] 2 points by JGriff99mph (507) 4 years ago
  • Warren is yelling for yellen
  • yellen is sitting back gellin'
  • the rich get the money
  • the poor think its funny
  • to ask the corrupt to stop sellin
[-] 2 points by JGriff99mph (507) 4 years ago

Well Warren was a Republican for a long time, but thinks the Dems are for more free markets now. Made the switch, had a few nice showings a hearings and made some nice headlines. Seems to be working for her. Popularity=votes.

Usually the sound bites get a lot more play than the actual votes. Neat system, eh?

But hey, Reagan was a Dem before he saw the opportunity and switched, so who knows. Maybe she will hit it big.

Back to pleading Ms Warren to do something about global warming:

Anyone who is actively promoting central bankers to replace the previous head of the central banks/Wall st .... I can assure you is not concerned one bit with the environment. They are at direct odds.

[-] 3 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

you are not talking about lizzie are you. I think you are way off base here - do you know her background?

[-] 3 points by JGriff99mph (507) 4 years ago

I'm well aware of her background. Pretty much a clinton just repackaged imo.

Edit: It may be silly for us to think a politician, or a group of politicians, can stop this juggernaut. The system doesn't let the real bad asses in, and if one does slip through the cracks, its quickly contained.

On the other hand, if we the people decided to stop patronizing them with our dollars and get massively involved, that has proven time and time again to have huge sweeping effects.

[-] 3 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

I think you re wrong about warren - send me some info if you have time. I think she is the real deal and would vote for her. Clintons on the other hand are scum - sucking up to the elite and enriching themselves. we mostly agree on the system except that it does not matter if we give them our dollars since we don't have many - the .01% gives them all they need. what we have is bodies

[-] 4 points by JGriff99mph (507) 4 years ago

When a politician is at teh point where they are openly backing the next central banker/head of wall st, pretty much they are knee deep in the game at that point imo.

Being that Yellen was the VP already, total insider game.


Her vote on GMO labeling, after we raised such a ruckus with March on Monsanto and thought we did everything needed on our part, the populace, to get this through, is mind bogglingly frustrating...


Her big plunge into the student financial disaster bubble that is brewing in the country is to simply tie the rates to the federal funds rate. Sounds nice, and makes it seem as if the culprit of this bubble is interest rates, etc etc etc.


Anyone who knows a slight hint about the funds rate (prob about 1% of the population, which is why this was well received by EW backers) would realize that pegging student loans to that would possibly be a very slight benefit now (the massive debt is still there, just a bit less expensive) but could be disasterous down the road:


Kind of just seems like more political nonsense. I mean, come on, thats your big stab into the student debt issue, EW? Really? Why even bother if that is the garbage that she is going to peddle as a possible solution?

The worst part of that is that it would be looked at as this big victory if passed, and would be used by supporters in the next campaign as a sign of real change, etc, when in reality it doesnt do anything about the actual debt.

And thats how this stuff seems to go imo, minor pathetic victories here and there while the entire machine keeps marching towards fascism.

[-] 3 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

I see no problem with yellen - do you have a better candidate in mind that can get through the senate? we need a central bank to run a modern economy. I am not a ron paul - get rid of the fed, libertarian. are you? I would like to know her reasoning on the gmo issue but it is small potatoes as far as I am concerned. much bigger fish to fry and she is on the right side of all of my big issues - war, energy, water for starters. the article you linked to about student loan does not bear out what you say. my guess is that the fed funds rate will stay very low for very long - as with yellen do you have someone you like more? we are very much constrained by the world we live in - those shouting revolution and fascism are not helping in my opinion. big problems ahead - resource scarcity is going to change the way we live sooner that most want to admit. printing money and putting people to work preparing for that future is one thing that should be on the table!

[-] 3 points by JGriff99mph (507) 4 years ago

I certainly have some views that would line up with libertarian philosophy.

A hate of the Fed? Yes, thats one of them.

Our solutions are different though. I would prefer a public banking sector that was decentralized, as the libertarians would like to remove the Fed, keep everything else as is and tie it to gold.

[-] 2 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

public banking is good - why decentralized? we are going to need some central planning down the road - energy policy would be a good place to start. and yellen - a better candidate? I know the libertarians too well - mostly nonsense. they espouse freedom - for capital. the love hayak - odious as doug henwood would say.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

''Money is not a commodity. It is a symbol of value. Any two people can transfer whatever they like as a medium of exchange. We agree as a group to use one medium of exchange to simplify transactions. The purpose of inventing a medium of exchange is to sustain the flow of goods and services circulating in an economy. If we agreed to use gold or feathers as tokens, the medium of exchange would be finite and too scarce to meet everyone’s needs ~ and finite physical commodities have historically been monopolized by individuals who constrict the flow of goods and services that are needed by everyone in society. Paper is plentiful. In theory, we agree to the fiction that paper money and computer credits have value in order to produce and exchange the commodities we need. But they have no intrinsic value.

''The pieces of paper and computer entries that are fabricated by private corporations, what we call money, can and should be created and regulated by a legitimate government agency. It is irrational to transfer this vital social function to private corporations that thrive on usury and destabilize economies by expanding and contracting their fabricated credit.

''Usury is not a fact of life, an inherent condition one finds throughout the natural world. It is a parasitic human contrivance that eventually kills the host.''

''Money and credit can and should be used to keep the economy flowing, facilitating the exchange of real goods and productive services that meet the needs of society ~ without fabricating debilitating and fictitious debt. This, in fact, was the intention of Article 1, Section 8 of the United States Constitution that authorized only Congress to coin money and regulate its value. The founders of our nation understood that a government does not need to borrow its money from a private corporation. It has the power to create its own money. We are that government and that power belongs to us.

''Our government was designed with the constitutional authority to create money and issue credit without ever charging interest or creating debt. It can directly spend interest-free money into circulation and extinguish excess currency to prevent inflation. Moderate interest rates on government loans could be used to finance the operations of city, state and federal government in lieu of taxes. Publicly-owned community banks could charge a moderate interest rate that is returned to depositors as dividends, or it could be used to generate revenue for implementing worthwhile social projects. Monetary science comes equipped with mathematical formulas to achieve permanent monetary equilibrium through a set of principles that balance the money supply and maintain currency stability, eliminating recessions, depressions, inflation and deflation forever.

''Existing debt to the central bank crime syndicate disappears in an instant when it is recognized that fictitious accounting entries do not constitute lawful “consideration”. Nothing of value has been borrowed. What a bank “lends” is the borrower’s own promise to invent money for the bank, an absurd fraud.

''Completely abolishing the privatization of national money and credit would end world poverty and liberate human energy to create worldwide abundance in which every human community could produce and exchange the goods and services it needs without ever being enslaved by fictitious debt. What is most essential to liberating humankind from centuries of covert suppression is financial sovereignty. Political freedom without economic freedom is meaningless. The self-induced implosion of a corrupt financial system provides our generation with a precious (and brief) opportunity to secure the blessings of liberty envisioned by our ancestors and to finish the American project.''

[Above is abridged from : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article22247.htm by Nikki Alexander]


Hayek, von Mises and all the other B-S ''Austrians'' be damned !!! NONE of the Libertarian Idiots who extol these nutters and others such as Milton Friedman, have any fkn idea about the father of Austrian Economics - Carl Menger or his notions of 'sound money' and The Bankster Scum use these pseudo-intellectual, quasi-philosophical, semi-literate abstract ideas to provide cover for their base avarice and psychopathy !! Sanctions with 'extreme prejudice' are in order, imo ! Also fyi - on this interesting thread, I append three very insightful pieces from Dr. Ellen Brown as well as two other highly relevant items :

radix omnium malorum est cupiditas ...

[-] 3 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

I agree - I think? the country and the world face huge problems going forward and most are not discussed. all those in power talk about GROWING our way out of problems. this can only result in running out of the resources we need or the burning up of the earth. understanding money is at the heart of the solution. have you read this - “The money of account is something abstract, like a metre, a kilogram, a hectare. It’s not something you can touch or feel. It’s representational, something only a human could imagine. In any modern nation the money of account is chosen by the national government. MMT emphasises the state’s power over money. This is not something new. It dates back as far as Aristotle. You can find it in Adam Smith and in the work of John Maynard Keynes. I will read a brief quote from Keynes who said:

“‘The age of chartalist, or state money, was reached when the State claimed the right to declare what thing should answer as money of account. Today, all civilised money is, beyond the possibility of dispute, chartalist’—state money." .........and this - “Abba Lerner was an economist, a contemporary of John Maynard Keynes. He saw this very clearly. He said:

“‘By virtue of the power to create or destroy money by fiat and its power to take money away from people through taxation, [the State] is in a position to keep the rate of spending in the economy at the level required [for full employment].’

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

''Banksters - William Black tells the real truth'' :

We need some 'Bankster / Financial Celebrity Death Matches', ie. : Prof. Wm. K. Black v. Dick Fuld ; Dr. Michael Hudson v Lloyd Blankfein ; Dr. Ellen Brown v. Tim Giethner ; Max Keiser v. Jamie Dimon ; Matt Taibbi v. Ben Bernanke ; Brooksley Born v. Alan Greenspan ; Stacy Herbert v. Blyth Masters etc. etc. I appreciated your reply & thanx very much for referencing the late but very great, Abba Lerner & thus in compliment - I append and highly recommend :

fiat lux ...

[-] 3 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

the point for today from aba - "Principles of 'sound finance' apply to individuals. They make sense for households and businesses, but do not apply to the governments of sovereign states, capable of issuing money...............the point that must be revised somewhat - "1.The government shall maintain a reasonable level of demand at all times. If there is too little spending and, thus, excessive unemployment, the government shall reduce taxes or increase its own spending. ......................if we all buy iphones and cars etc were will run out of resources and/or burn the planet. production for use has to be incorporated and renewable energy etc

[-] 2 points by JGriff99mph (507) 4 years ago

The point today is from Florida-imo- on slobbering over a politician's nuts.

Another one elected like we are living 4 centuries ago, like a fuckin joke, to be sent off to DC and then disappoint.

We need to wake the fuck up. One could almost say the constitution goes at direct odds with "representatives" running shit.

[-] 3 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

as my good friend says when we play hockey - "you have told the what, now tell me the how!" as we all know that is the more difficult part - knowing the how is easy - just look at history. doing it is hard. the power elite (c wright mills term) have run the world for ages and are good at keeping their power.

[-] 2 points by JGriff99mph (507) 4 years ago

truth to that :) My "how" is the same as it always has been- massive civil action.

[-] 2 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

when you get that going let me know - I will be right behind you!

[-] 2 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

who gives a fuck about the nut jobs who think the earth was created 6000 yrs ago! it is the mainstream elites that are the ones who control power and are ruining the lives of the 99%. it is the respectable men and women in corporate boardrooms and in positions of power in the media who are the problem and yes the wonderful liberal dems (just in case you weren't sure that would be Obama, Pelosi and the like) who are in favor of "business as usual." while I agree that some of these people are really out there, I do not think that is our biggest problem today. what all of those in power agree on - both liberal dems and nut job tea party types - is the right of the u.s. to wage war anywhere and everywhere! the right to spy and torture in the name of "security" - the right of the rich and corporations to rule the world and most important - the idea of "sound money" - balanced budgets and the like to prevent all of us (at least those in the developed world) from living well. that means social security increased (dramatically), health care and education for all! that means food and shelter for all. should I go on??

[-] 2 points by JGriff99mph (507) 4 years ago

I agree with 100% of what you just said.

So why do we keep giving them the power? Thats what Im rolling on.... Take the freakin power back.

[-] 2 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

I don't think I agree here- I will admit that it is not a big issue for me and I don't really care enough about it to spend time. I disagree with yellen - the system will not be overturned tomorrow - time will tell how yellen moves the fed. we need a central bank to run a modern economy - I am not a libertarian and you may have guessed. we need a central bank that is under democratic control not elite control. which way yellen goes we shall see. don't like warrens vote on gmo but would like to know her reasoning. what you sent on student loans does not back seem to up what you said - the fed funds rate will most likely stay very low for very long - unless you believe the peakprosperity website??

[-] 3 points by JGriff99mph (507) 4 years ago

I think they have to leave it low for a long time because of all the bonds they issued at that rate to fund off all the nonsense they are doing. That being said, its going to come down to -imo- whether the central bankers can control it, suppress it, and for how long, or do market forces enter and the rate starts to rise?

Everyone that has student debt would like to keep it low, no doubt there. My statement is more of a "thats it?" statement. As in, if she is going to be our best bet as a woman of the people moving forward, and thats the type of stuff she is rolling out, then we are really in for a long ride.

$40,000 at 5% or at 1% is still a $40,000 loan. Significantly less in the long term, but still a crushing total regardless. To burden the youth with right off the bat for a shot at the typical middle class life is borderline criminal imo. Worrying about interest rates just seems to be skirting the edges to appear to be doing something.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

or can't pay your loan

in which case penalties accrue

[-] 0 points by nazihunter (215) 4 years ago

"Give me control of a country's money and I care not about it's politics."-Rothschild. (something like that).

[-] 1 points by JGriff99mph (507) 4 years ago

Truth. Here's something I stumbled upon:


[-] 0 points by nazihunter (215) 4 years ago

Isn't that when the Flintstones came up with Dino?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

driving around in cars has everything to do with it