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Forum Post: Open letter and warning from former tea partier to the OWS movement.

Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 3, 2011, 10:47 p.m. EST by bkbridge702 (3)
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I don't expect you to believe me. I want you to read this, take it with a grain of salt, and do the research yourself. You may not believe me, but I want your movement to succeed. From a former tea partier to you, young new rebels, there's some advice to prevent what happened to our now broken movement from happening to you. I don't agree with everything your movement does, but I sympathize with your cause and agree on our common enemy. You guys are very intelligent and I trust that you will take this in the spirit it is intended.

I wish I could believe this Occupy Wall Street was still about (r)Evolution, but so far, all I am seeing is a painful rehash of how the government turned the pre-Presidential election tea party movement into the joke it is now. We were anarchists and ultra-libertarians, but above all we were peaceful. So, the media tried painting us as racists. But when that didn't work they tried to goad us into violence. When that failed, they killed our movement with money and false kindness from the theocratic arm of the Republican party. That killed our popular support.

I am sharing these observations, so you guys know what's going on and can prevent the media from succeeding in painting you as violent slacker hippies rebelling without a cause, or from having the movement be hijacked by a bunch of corporatists seeking to twist the movement's original intentions. If you think this can't happen, it happened to the Independence Party and the tea party movement. Don't let it happen to your movement as well.

Here's how they turned our movement into a bunch of pro-corporate Republican party rebranding astroturf, and this is how I predict they are turning your movement into a bunch of pro-corporate Democratic party rebranding astroturf. I believe many of these things are already happening, so take note.

1- The media will initially and purposely avoid covering your dissenting movement to cause confusion about what your movement is about within mainstream audiences. This is to enrage you and make you appear unreasonable, and perhaps even invisible.

2- While the obsfuscation is happening, corporatists/government stooges will infiltrate and give superficial support, focus and financial backing to the targetted movement. In the tea party movement's case, it was the religious Republicans and Koch Brothers. In this case, it's the Public Sector Unions (the organizations as quasi-human entities, not the members themselves) and Ultra Rich liberals who pretend to care, but frankly do not serve liberators and freedom seekers but rather the interests of those who run the Public Sector Unions and the Democratic Party. Democrat, Republican, these parties are all part of the same corporate ruling system. Case in point: http://www.debates.org/

3-The media will cover the movement only after this infiltration succeeds. Once the infiltration is completed the MSM will manufacture public media antipathy towards the movement by using selective focus on the movement's most repulsive elements or infiltrators on the corporate Conservative media side, while the corporate Liberal media will create a more sympathetic tragic hero image -- this is the flip side of the tea party, but same media manipulation tactics. I go into greater detail on this tactic: http://vaslittlecrow.com/blog/2011/09/08/how-the-media-and-ideological-groups-manipulate-your-beliefs/

4- Someone in the Democratic Party will feign sympathy for the movement and falsely "non-partisan" entities provide tons of funding and unwanted organization, just as was done with the tea party movement by Republicans. Once people assume that the government operatives are their friends, the government will hijack the movement and the threat of your movement will be neutralized.

If this new Occupy Wall Street movement is to survive, here's what needs to be done.

1- Loudly denounce violence and disavow the violent rabblerousers of the movement. They do not help the cause.

2- Be image conscious. Present your best face and call out those who act like fools within the movement. People are more likely to pay attention to you in your Sunday dress and bringing homemade food, than when you are drinking a bottle of Snapple and chomping on Big Macs while you are looking like a slacker rich hipster/unwashed hippie stereotype.

3- Accept that you've already been infiltrated by the government, and work hard to say, and state what your movement is and is not about. "No, this isn't about unions or Liberals, conservatives or bored spoiled brats. This is about 99% of our population being exploited and manipulated for the sake of profit." "No we will not resort to violence." "Yes, all we want is for for the end of government collusion with corporate entities that are illegitimately recognized as people." And, so forth...

Continued: http://www.reddit.com/r/occupywallstreet/comments/kyjo2/an_open_letter_and_warning_from_a_former_tea/



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[-] 2 points by mleon (53) from New York, NY 12 years ago

the man makes a lot of valid point, we've already seen this with michael more and charlie rangel stopping by. Yes, the tea party was a grass roots movement before it was hijacked. yes they did rally against wall street.

While we should be inclusive to all, we should be very conscious of who we let steer the movement. Unions are not neccarily bad per say, but a lot have sold out big time, and have corrupt leadership that takes money, and drops the ball come negotiation time, then hangs out with the bosses. While I certainly welcome union members and activists. I think our activism should go on WITHIN the unions as well. Practice democracy AT your union meetings. vote out union leaders who sell out the rank and file, and live large with the bosses. Question unflinching union support for the democratic party who you've seen side with wall street, and the bosses. I think it comes down to using the internet to bypassing regular media, and getting our message across. Unions should work for the people, not the other way around.

Most of the sensationalism you see is to pit all political groups into either the left-democratic camp or right-republican camp, by destroying any middle ground. While the democrats and republicans do work with each other, they don't want the rank and file to work with each other. Classic divide and rule.

A big goal we need is to strike at the public relations groups. They are on the ground. I know, I talked to one. As they make their way asking what they can do for us. We should be telling them to spill the beans and expose all the dirty secrets.

I saw a wikileaks van, mabey they should open a confessional booth on site, given if anyone walking by and bearing witness has anything to come clean about.

The public relations/media industry MONSTER as a near stranglehold on the legal system that wall street wishes they have, and wall street has to go through in order to get their message across to politicians.

HERE IS AN IDEA. When Anthony Bologna attacked our movement we got his picture, found his name, and dox'd him, exposed him for what he did. Now, when the media and PR goons try comming to our group we need to annouce to the whole group who they are, and let them state their intentions. If one of them comes to you one on one with something unsavory, tell everyone else. POINT THEM OUT AND TAKE THEIR PICTURE. Don't let them run the movement from the shadows. the best disinfectant is sunlight.

When they tell us what they can do for the movement, tell them what we are about. The only thing they can do for this movement is to come clean on their dirty dealings. There is a wikileaks truck, and I think we might need a "corporate confessional" to open. Ask them more information on those who'd seek to destroy us. If they want to participate, they do so by exposing wrong doing they've witnessed. Don't be rude, but remind them if they want to take the side of the ordinary people, they must take the side of the ordinary people.

I am not saying be rude to the media, or even to discourage them. Channel 4 news is A-OK, and so is anyone who comes by and do a news segment(let them say whatever they want, they only damage their own credibility by slandering us). Don't let them speak for us.

There was a list of demands going around the forum, can someone bump it, mabey print it out.

[-] 1 points by mideast (506) 11 years ago

thank you for your efforts
I have been in OWS since Oct 2011 & have been in hundreds of working group meetings

my opinions:

NOTHING will turn us into pro-corporate

Some of us do believe D is the most productive way to create change
(ex: Elizabeth Warren, John Lewis, Raoul Grijalva, Alan Grayson, etc) I know a number of Greens & SWP members who voted D because they knew no Green or SWP would be elected to do anything.

Some of us believe D=R because, for example Ds take corporate money. I strongly disagree. Bernie & Grover breathe the same air - that does not make them the same.

Some of us advocate for idealistic solutions, some advocate for pragmatic solutions. In my opinion, many of the "ideals" left OWS because their dreams did not become real in six months.

I think OWS walked a fine line of rabble rousing to bring the 99% issue forward - and did it nearly perfectly.

We now need to focus on a small number of goals AND electing those who will help us get there

Corporate personhood & citizens united may be the two most basic OWS issues - from day one - to get corrupting special interest money out.
please check out the data our OWS group has compiled:


and the new bill 2013 HR29

[-] 4 points by inclusionman (7064) 11 years ago

Well said. We don't need to be "part" of the Dem party. We must continue pressuring for change on all issues that benefit the 99%. We must continue coalition building with like minded groups.

And until the new system emerges we must support pols who agree with us, & retire those that don't.

[+] -4 points by Builder (4202) 11 years ago

You are part of the dem party, dickwad.

Pretend all you like. You're a D all the way.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 11 years ago

Just for the record I am a registered independent, and support a new system of direct democracy. (not that you are any authority that I must submit too) I'll be at this direct democracy meeting:


But this betrays the truth of your engineered dishonest attacks against me.

You are on a crusade to silence anyone you believe are supporters of the Dem party. So be honest, attack me for my opinions. that is our disagreement, not your false outrage at the ridiculous suggestion of multiple id's, and voting.

That is inappropriate activity on this forum. You must cease and desist.

We do NOT hunt people with different political persuasions and attempt to silence them, chase them away, with harassment, & trolling.

We engage in honest respectful debate in an attempt to persuade more people to support the issues that occupy has taken a stand on and benefits the 99%.

The issues, stick to the issues.

At least stay on topic of a given post.

I hope this helps you understand the proper behavior on this forum.

[-] 1 points by oneofninetynine (4) 12 years ago

thank you for the advice. I think the two most important things to maintain is to remain nonviolent and never allow even the chance of being seen as having a leader.

[-] 1 points by nomadicHorse (11) from Athens, OH 12 years ago

This is a well written letter to OWS ~ I have followed the Arab Spring on Twitter from the start & many of the ideas noted here are very similar to advice given & taken in other movements. Do note ~ you have been infiltrated~ have seen this before~ control your own media & your message ~Control your own image & be aware of who your image controllers are. Nonviolence is the only way & IS Powerful.

[-] 1 points by woodlot (1) 12 years ago

The movement needs no leaders. What scares the 1% is communication. Especially open,uncontrolled communication. We need to educate each other. We may never speak as one voice under a "leader' but we will all have gained something the 1% wish we had not--the free use of our intellects.

[-] 1 points by bkbridge702 (3) 12 years ago

I know this has been posted and I apologize if it is considered to be in bad form, but I do not want this to be buried. Everyone must read this. Everyone must spread this. Protesters and non-protesters alike have to know. These are the most important things to keep in mind moving forward, we must learn from past movements, we will not be manipulated, we will not fail, the cost is too big.

[-] 1 points by revg33k (429) from Woodstock, IL 12 years ago

I have added a link to the original to my welcome message I post often.

here is my welcome post:

Check the link after the edit mark on this page for a working list of goals http://occupywallst.org/forum/first-official-release-from-occupy-wall-street/

and this Warning from the original Tea Party before it got hijacked http://occupywallst.org/forum/an-open-letter-and-warning-from-a-former-tea-party/

[-] 1 points by Flsupport (578) 12 years ago

But the public sector union employees support their union. They are not mutually exclusive.

[-] 1 points by Flsupport (578) 12 years ago

But the public sector union employees support their union. They are not mutually exclusive.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 11 years ago

Thoughts on this post 1.5 years later?

Not the tea party stuff, but the ignore then neutralize stuff.

[-] -2 points by Builder (4202) 11 years ago

We really need to de-shill this place again.

Too much partisan crap getting around the joint.

Action Identify the partisan hacks who also have multiple delusional syndrome. We know who you are.