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Forum Post: OK - NOW are you ready to SAY you will vote D ?

Posted 6 years ago on Dec. 11, 2012, 6:06 p.m. EST by bensdad (8977)
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After all of the multi-state voter suppression actions by the republiclans,

republiclan governor Snyder of Michigan
signed the "right to work" union killing law

if not now - when ? when the koch own everything ?
if not now - when ? when there are no unions ? if not now - when ?



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[-] 2 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 6 years ago

"We must close union offices, confiscate their money and put their leaders in prison. We must reduce workers salaries and take away their right to strike" May 2, 1933 Adolf Hitler

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 6 years ago

Snyder - on MSNBC - just said that his new law is pro-union and helps unions.

When with the lies stop!

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 6 years ago

Obviously, you do not know that worker union dues never go to political contributions.
However if you own stock in a company, that company can contribute "your" dividends to a politician.

Dont depend on faux noose & heritage & koch for "facts"

and EXACTLY why is card-check "thuggery"?

[-] 0 points by conservatroll (187) 6 years ago

Then where do the millions the SEUI and various teachers' unions funnel to DNC come from?

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 6 years ago

Thank you for trying to find the truth! These funds are from SEPARATE contributions to political action funds. NOT UNION DUES

Here is the SEIU political action contribution form
You can believe faux noose or, if you can,
read the legal compliance section from the SEIU form:


SEIU United Healthcare Workers - West

In 2012 we will be fighting to change the law so that clients can get the care they need to stay at home and providers can get the training, pay and benefits they deserve. All decisions about home care are made by elected officials. We need to elect politicians who will stand up for home care. Giving every month to the SEIU-UHW Political Fund will give us the power to make home care strong for the future. Sign up today! Contributor country First Name Last Name Address City State Zip Code
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Check this box to confirm that you understand the following statements are true and accurate:

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  2. I may refuse to contribute without reprisal
  3. Only union members and executive/administrative staff who are U.S. citizens or lawful permanent residents are eligible to contribute to the SEIU-UHW political fund
  4. The contribution amounts on this form are merely suggestions. I may contribute more or less by this or some other means without fear of favor or disadvantage from the union or my employer
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[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 6 years ago

I fell into your trap - I let you change the subject!

union money is peanuts compared to koch-adelson-heritage-afp etc and union member money fed into contributions is VOLUNTARY

If you own stock in the XYZ Corp, the president of XYZ Corp can take "your" earnings that could be "your" dividend money and give it to a candidate

[-] 0 points by conservatroll (187) 6 years ago

You are right. From what I gather from article below, the list I previously posted is from the pacs and they are 'freely made donations' by members, However the real money $3.3 BILLION since 2005 THAT COMES FROM UNION DUES is reported separately to the Dept of Labor....spent on state and local, get out the vote, feed and transport 'protesters'...things like that. You know, politcal influence peddling.. I attach a very enlightening read/



[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 6 years ago

3 more free trade agreements in 2011 after OWS started.

Trans Pacific well on its way.

Wake the fuck up. You dont have friends in DC. Thats why we occupy.

Showing up to coopt work groups for an entire year isnt radical change. Its not fighting corportism. Its not fighting the system. Its joining it.

Thats not what brings change. The Dem heaquarters in NYC is there if thats what you want: http://www.nydems.org/

I would assume you are there quite often. Which is fine. But stop trying to turn this into somehting that is the same thing as the last 150 years/

You are chasing your tail for a reason.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 6 years ago

because I support D positions does not make me a D
I gather you support toilet postitions

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 6 years ago

Somebody sum this thing up for me. Does it ban unions or just make it so that nobody can be forced to join a union? Or something else?

[-] 1 points by Clancy (42) 6 years ago

It makes it that no one can be forced to join a union.

[-] 1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 6 years ago

And that will kill them? Nobody voluntarily jons a union?

[-] -1 points by MarkKevin (-46) 6 years ago

Stop the thuggery. Let individuals make their own choices.

If the individual wants to join the union, they can.

If they don't want to join, they shouldn't be forced to, PERIOD.

[-] 0 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 6 years ago

Honestly, I've only ever met one bona fide Republican in my life, and I've never met a bona fide Democrat, so... and I think that's true of most of America. We don't judge politicians as Dem/ Rep; we judge them as either good or bad. And 99% of them are really bad. We share the same ambivalence towards class distinctions.


[-] -3 points by MarkKevin (-46) 6 years ago


No, that would be FORCING people to belong to a union. Liberty dictates that the INDIVIDUAL chooses whether to belong to a union or not. And confiscating worker dues to throw at a political candidate the individual worker doesn't agree with is BS also.

No, I'm not ready to vote donkey. I'm ready to vote for INDIVIDUAL rights. That certainly isn't democrats today. And you can take your AFL-CIO "card check" thuggery and shove it too.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8213) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

"card check" is like voter ID?

[+] -4 points by MarkKevin (-46) 6 years ago

Card check is a union demand to know how someone votes (open voting), so union goons can intimdate people into voting a certain way.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8213) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago


I thought it was where over 50% of the workers put down on paper that they wanted a union so they get to have one without going to a million corporate arm-twisting sessions. Talk about thugs, I've seen people paid off to lean hard on co-workers about the union so people your bullshit elsewhere. You see I've been through a few organizing campaigns, lying wasn't a good start on your part, asshole.

[-] -3 points by MarkKevin (-46) 6 years ago

Nope. Card check is all about coercion and not having secret ballots, which open employees to retribution for their votes and intimidation to vote a certain way.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8213) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

have you ever been to one of those company meetings when there was a union vote coming? now that's coercion, companies know that if people could just sign a card and not have to sit through those meetings being singled out by management, I've seen what happens to people who supported the union but lost the vote.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 years ago

That's only true if you're the Kochs.

You do know that they are lying sacks of shit, don't you?



[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8213) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

No one is forced to join the union, they are only required to pay their part of costs, just like taxes, God knows Bush did stuff I didn't like but I still had to pay taxes.