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Forum Post: Of Popular Science, Trolls and Perception

Posted 6 months ago on Sept. 28, 2013, 10:54 a.m. EST by shooz (26668)
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Yes, it seems that the trolls have invaded everything.

Popular Science has shut down it's comments option over the reality of perception and how trolls affect it.

"In the civil group, those who initially did or did not support the technology — whom we identified with preliminary survey questions — continued to feel the same way after reading the comments. Those exposed to rude comments, however, ended up with a much more polarized understanding of the risks connected with the technology.

Simply including an ad hominem attack in a reader comment was enough to make study participants think the downside of the reported technology was greater than they’d previously thought.”

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/09/25/popular-science-shuts-comments-avoid-contributing-anti-science/

No wonder they rabidly attack this site.

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[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20512) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

I think they've missed the most likely cause of the vitriol they are seeing on Popular Science. Someone somewhere has most likely determined that Popular Science represents a threat of some kind, and are acting to protect their bottom line.

it's them goddamned nasty assed and dirty repelicans

the filthy fukers

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 months ago

you're moneys no good here

italics with asterisks on each side

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

Popular Science - Huh - I have not read that magazine in a while - well years - But It used to be full of new technology - being worked on or coming into regular use. Things like clean energy - I think it was one of the 1st places I read an article on solar-cells as well as wind turbines.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20512) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

o well . . . wind turbines . . . we certainly don't want to discuss any new advancements in this industry now do we . . .

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

Can you access documentaries yet? If so you should check this out:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017146059

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20512) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

I don't know.

How can a thorium reactor safely consume current nuclear waste? Isn't that one of the claims made in the movie?

There was an awful lot of information covering several different aspects of the proposal. They claim both sides of Congress say yes yes its a good idea, and the regulation remains in the way. First off, I would say that if that characterization is correct, then this action discredits regulatory authority, and one day we will see some deregulationist point to this issue as justification for deregulation.

Maybe we should tax the fossil fuel industry and the hard rock mining industry and put a program in place - one that is designed around the best scientific, industrial, and research practices we are capable of.

One obvious potential source of resistance to such a program may be the fossil fuel industry themselves - I don't know.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

Tax fossil fuel? Hell we can't even get Gov to stop subsidizing them. Bet ya though that Japan wishes it had looked into the thorium reactor. This is not new technology - it's just that this technology is no good for making nuclear war-heads - and that is why uranium has been given FULL support. Insanity AGAIN.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

Course not - I mean - it's not like we have any compelling reasons to...

[-] 0 points by IrishRevolt (5) 6 months ago

The amount of RE's the wind turbines require is pretty insane, a lot of ground has to be destroyed and then processed and polluted.

Cracking the water is a technology that has been around for a long long time. What do you think of this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer's_water_fuel_cell

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20512) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

why I don't know, I haven't heard of this guy until now. I do recall in seventh grade being fascinated with the use of a battery, a couple of wires, a bit of water, a test tube and a match.

I can absolutely confirm that there is a combustible element to water. And in fact, hydrogen is used as a rocket fuel so why no one has installed a system in a motor vehicle that will both separate hydrogen from oxygen and transfer that hydrogen to the combustion chamber - I simply do not know.

Maybe it just isn't a good idea to have seven billion people rushing around the planet burning all the potable water they can find.

[-] 1 points by IrishRevolt (5) 6 months ago

They even have the technology based on sea water (salt)

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/apr/4/scientists-build-robot-jellyfish-fueled-sea-water/

Corporatism is a horrible thing for humanity.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20512) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

that article doesn't argue for or against corporatism - but is does illustrate the Navy's investment in the surveillance industrial complex and it clearly shows the collusion of the university system within this . . . this . . . sic.ness . . .

although whatnthenfuk kind of intel a jellyfish is likely to pick up in the open ocean is beyond me. The days of the international under sea phone cable are almost at an end.

Unless of course Atlantis really was part of Egypt and now the Arabs are hatching a plot for world dominion from this city 'neathe the sea

[-] 1 points by shooz (26668) 6 months ago

"goddamned nasty assed and dirty repelicans"

There is no other kind these days. Prepare for it to get worse.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/28/can-internet-trolls-take-down-obamacare.html

That's just one facet. There are many more.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20512) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

Under any other politician I think we could expect the call center to be shuttered. IT still wouldn't surprise me.

But as the last couple of paragraphs illustrate, this troll effort may just backfire, and both the program and the administration may come out on top.

Of course, if someone bumps a call center employee, all bets are off.

That would be easy to do to. The only question would be which one?

[-] 2 points by shooz (26668) 6 months ago

To me what's important here, is the fact that these so called "trolls", are actually organized to accomplish a certain "mission".

A mission of lies and nefarious intent.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20512) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

I agree - that is an important fact to be recognized and understood - we've seen it right here. Hopefully as it pertains to the call center the troll effort will fail - but the repelican effort to conduct sabotage where ever possible, is in general so well supported and so well funded, I would be surprised, for example, not to find call center employees who had been bumped, specifically for the purpose of creating bad pr.

Repelicans really are trapped by their own rhetoric at this point. The minute they are forced to begin backtracking they must confront the very real possibility of utter irrelevance with regard to American politics.

Those are important considerations for anyone attempting to organize a push for liberal policy today, to say nothing of anyone committed to organized civil disobedience designed to register any form of rejection of the current status.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26668) 6 months ago

They have been rebooting the same rhetoric since at least '04'.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017148218

Unfortunate for the "slightly sane", repetition=relevance.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch.

http://www.occupy.com/article/meet-texas-worst-polluter

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20512) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

vulgarity! profanity! in Dr. Seuss Rhyme!

oh that's just wrong!

[-] 1 points by shooz (26668) 6 months ago

Yeah, but it was a bit of fun too.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20512) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

; D

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20512) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

The new site is partly funded by a federal grant from the Title V State Abstinence Education Grant Program. Title V recipients are supposed to earmark those federal funds for state-level programs that emphasize abstinence until marriage. The Title V funding was first attached to a provision in the 1996 welfare reform bill, and has been renewed periodically since then. For instance, a Republican-sponsored amendment attached to the Senate version of the health reform bill ended up extending the funding for the program through 2014.

this shit stands in violation of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution.

  • Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Federal grant funding of religious ideologically inspired public policy is indeed, passing a law respecting an establishment of religion and the Supreme Court must do their duty in finding such legislation unConstitutional.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26668) 6 months ago
[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20512) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

First we must get an amendment through

THEN the republic must carefully consider how it will deal with the stacking of such an important institution with individuals of such a partisan, conservative stripe, given the lifetime nature of the appointment and the tremendous harm such partisans can and have done by virtue of their authority and influence.

I intend to advocate for a secret court - one able to hear evidence, determine guilt, and pass judgement. I favor heart attacks and car accidents myself, but I do try to keep an open mind.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26668) 6 months ago

Isn't it 16 States, that have so far approved "move to amend"?

Another 16 ought to do it.

I crave that day.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20512) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

I am ashamed to say I've lost track.

One of my neighbors sent me an email petition. Here was the text as I recall:

  • "Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States."

I dismissed it at the time as one more distraction from the central issue of getting money out of politics, and the most effective means of getting that done. Of course, I hadn't looked at it very carefully - but I did just now find the petition which presents a bit of interesting background

It may still be a distraction, I'm not certain how many Amendments the public can or should push through at one time. Details may be easily overlooked amid all of the incessant screaming.

So anywayz . . . . to my shame I do confess - I have not been paying close attention.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26668) 6 months ago

Back to the meaning of trolls.

You may have missed this one too.

http://phys.org/news/2013-08-views-online-affect-judgment.html

This is why I fight like mad against rigged voting around here.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20512) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

Interesting study - and I think one of the ways to address the issue of herding is to ensure that users have an investment in the identity they use to access a forum like this, combined with transparency over who is voting what up or down. I think that must make it a little bit harder to manipulate perceptions.

What I do not like about that study is that we do not know, and probably the researchers themselves do not know, if or to what degree, they themselves have shifted perception, much less whether that shift will have a positive or a negative sociological effect.

What we do know, is that we either are at, or soon will be at, a place where anyone replicating the study can be used as a tool SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO RESHAPE OPINION and do so using the cover of scientific research.

I'm sure the randomization was done by computer. All that is required is a small tweak to the code.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26668) 6 months ago

The point being, that their various forms of attack, are not meaningless.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20512) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

It doesn't matter if they are or not. The over all result is the same.

What I mean is an individual may see some of the nonsense and be inspired by it in various ways, and so choose to perpetuate it as an individual, not clearly seeing the goal of the overall campaign.

The result is that these individual efforts augment that organized campaign, just as it is hoped they will.

No it is not meaningless, and there are consequences.

There is a saying in certain circles: We are as sick as our secrets. Generally it is applied on an individual level - but I submit that it applies as readily to groups large and small, every bit as well as it does an individual.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20512) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

and that is why I rabidly attack back. Not that I've any hard data to back up my belief in the utter necessity, I do not, or have not had until now . . . depending on your point of view . . .

Which goes to illustrate the depth of the problem.

At one time false advertising was a crime. Now it seems to be a huge industry. Those who have benefited from crime have incurred a debt to society.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26668) 6 months ago

The data is piling up every day.

It's always been about perception.

[-] 1 points by IrishRevolt (5) 6 months ago

Political campaigns are some of the worst offenders.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26668) 6 months ago

Anti-science/reality is much, much worse.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/09/27/2690281/texas-abstinence-website/

It's insidious.

[-] 3 points by ZenDog (20512) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

I do hate to admit it, but in a very twisted kind of way this latest incarnation of trashy is actually correct. Even, and perhaps especially, when campaigns of disinformation target science/reality, they do so for political motives.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26668) 6 months ago

Welcome to Ayn's war against the poor, or as I like to call it, the drive to libe(R)topia.

http://www.alternet.org/sick-ayn-randian-war-against-everyone-who-isnt-rich

It isn't so much the political motive as it is the profit motive, that's served by that politic.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20512) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

“Herrenvolk," literally the "master race," is a description of a society in which citizenship is tiered and hierarchical along lines of race. The dominant group receives the full benefits of social services, transfer payments and other supports from the State. The out-group, marked as the Other, is viewed as not deserving of such resources.

I don't entirely buy that argument - I get it, but I see it as more of a rhetorical device intended to bend perception and to humiliate - and I get it. The fukers are in more desperate need of serious humiliation than the memory of any Nero or any Custer ever was.

The author is confusing master race with master class which I am sure many would insist remain a subset of affluent white America

[-] 2 points by shooz (26668) 6 months ago

"The manipulation of white racism by the 1 percent is a type of parlor game, one with horrible implications for the common good and democracy in America. On one hand the plutocrats and their allies on the Right use racial tribalism to legitimize their war on the poor and the “useless eaters.” The other hand is sharpening the knives to further destroy the social safety net which the white working class, poor, and middle class also benefits from. "

I find few that understand the gravity of our situation.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20512) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

I completely get it.

I think that if we can just get the various . . . bureaucracies . . . that exist . . . to clearly understand the nature of the threat, and that it is in our national interest as a matter of national security, then the tools are already in place and the solutions already exist to deal with this problem in a decisive manner.

After all, that is precisely what has already been done, and done to us.

So far I seem to have been completely unable to trigger a massive wave of heart attacks among the acolytes of ayn rand.

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 months ago

most scientist are harden too being insulted by bullies in high school

[-] 1 points by shooz (26668) 6 months ago

Which has to do the information given in what way?

I'm not following how that comment is relevant.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 months ago

Popular Science has shut down it's comments option over the reality of perception and how trolls affect it.

the reality of perception is most readers don't read the comments

and are perfectly capable of recognizing a troll comment

shutting down comments only limited the interaction with the articles

[-] 1 points by shooz (26668) 6 months ago

That's not what various studies have shown.

Quite the opposite.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 months ago

I believe it is human to seek truth

[-] 1 points by shooz (26668) 6 months ago

I guess you should have read the studies then.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 months ago

OK read it

nope, looks like a flimsy excuse

siting tech in the first half and intelligent design in the second half

nether issue is about science

the hypocritically used ad hominem to make their case

[-] 1 points by shooz (26668) 6 months ago

"Intelligent design"?

Your GPS must have malfunctioned and dropped you off in Texas.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (21784) 6 months ago

Frankly, it's time to stop being nice. Drag these fuckers out of their holes. I'm telling you that every one of these little astroturf fuckers should be drug out of hiding.

Like Berman and Co. http://www.bermanco.com/

How about names? http://www.responsiblelending.org/media-center/center-for-straight-answers/astroturf-group-alert.html

[-] 1 points by shooz (26668) 6 months ago

Isn't strange how their personalities can change in the space of a post?

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (21784) 6 months ago

Yes, yes it is.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20512) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

I don't find it strange at all. That is the whole purpose behind multiple identities - the whine ass mutherfukers.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (21784) 6 months ago

Well, maybe strange isn't the right word. Mayhap sick or revolting or putrid fits better.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20512) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

it is completely dishonest

if their arguments have any merit, let them commit themselves to them without reservation. Stand up I say.

But no they would prefer to lie and when one lie fails, change face, and lie again.

fuk them

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (21784) 6 months ago

But no they would prefer to lie and when one lie fails, change face, and lie again.

Exactly. These pieces of shit are the most anti American fuckers that I have ever seen in action.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20512) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

I see we're getting voted down, must mean we've struck a nerve. poor booboo

awwwhhhhh

poor booboo

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (21784) 6 months ago

lol. Ya, it usually does when ever there is a focus on the online trolls, astroturfing assholes, libertopian jackasses and teathuglicans. If they try to defend it then they risk losing so they start with the downvoting crap because they can't fight it when the truth comes out.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20512) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

Ahh, the odd assortment of misshapen repelican scum. Someone must simply explain to them, there is no free trade, for free trade requires a medium, and a medium requires assurances that no repelican thumb rests on the scale, and that is called

REGULATION

There is no free market, it does not exist, any suggestion otherwise is a malodorous, steaming, pile of bullshit, whose aroma cannot be improved with some fancy French-affair perfume . . .

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21784) 6 months ago

fancy French-affair perfume...yep.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20512) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

I know I know - it really doesn't quite work - I'm trying to suggest lez affair without ruining the meter of the sentence. Never mind. I'll keep working on it.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21784) 6 months ago

I rather liked it.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20512) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

OnoWay!

why thanks so much. Sometimes its hard to tell if something actually does work or if I only hope it does . . . .

and sometimes the reverse too.

[-] 1 points by IrishRevolt (5) 6 months ago

Markets behave best when the tools to manipulate them are as limited as possible.

Companies going "public" has never been a good thing for anyone besides those receiving the money from the IPO.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26668) 6 months ago

It's the never ending story around here.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (21784) 6 months ago

That it is. It's repetitive.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26668) 6 months ago

It's libe(R)topia, brought to you by teabagge(R)s and various and sundry PR orgs.

Multi-pronged, marketing PR.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (21784) 6 months ago

Drag 'em out.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26668) 6 months ago

You will know them by the threads they won't offer cogent comments on.