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Oct 20: Global Solidarity Day for the Syrian People

Posted 1 year ago on Oct. 15, 2012, 3:48 p.m. EST by OccupyWallSt
Tags: syria, global solidarity

Global Solidarity Day for the Syrian People

via People's Assemblies Network:

The Global Solidarity Day for the Syrian People, 20th October, 2012

Appeal to all free people of the world: Let’s work together to stop daily massacres, arrests and displacements in Syria. Let’s work together to bring down the murderous Assad regime in Syria.

This is an appeal to all Syrian communities and to all free people around the world to organise processions and sit-ins in front of United Nations offices in all around the world . . .

. . . On this day, our aim is to mobilise international public opinion to support the Syrian people, who have been exposed to killing, arrest and displacement for ninteen months while the world has watched

On this day we want to express the Syrian people’s suffering and their disappointment with the silence of the Arab world and the international community and their failure to stop the daily massacres committed by the barbaric Assad Syrian regime.

On this day, let us all, each and every one in his or her position, work together with the representatives of international public opinion to put pressure on governments and the international community, to take an effective and constructive stand to stop and to bring down the killing machine that is Assad regime in Syria.

May God have mercy on our martyrs’ souls;
May we soon see our detainees freed;
May our wounded people be healed; and May victory be awarded to our revolution;
the revolution of freedom and dignity.
Long live Syria; free and dignified.


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[-] 4 points by mappchris (12) 1 year ago

Ok..... Deep Breath. The Innocent citizens of Syria have been caught in between the Al-Qaeda led "Free Syrian Army" and the Assad Regime. The Assad Regime has blood on their hands obviously. However the opposition's hands are also soaked in blood. The Free Syrian Army from day one has been backed by NATO through Saudi Arabia and Turkey. This scenario played out just last year in Libya with the manufactured uprising that led to the assassination of Gaddafi. Many of the atrocities that CNN has shown like the massacre in the city of Homs have been blamed incorrectly on the Assad Regime and have been used to condition Americans for the seemingly inevitable "no fly zone" intervention. I would hope my fellow OWS brothers and sisters would think more critically and not believe everything Anderson Cooper and the rest of the corporate owned media tells you to believe. I'm not saying Assad is an angel but I will take an Assad government over an Al-Qaeda or Muslim Brotherhood government. Remember that Iraq was relatively stable before we decided to go find their WMD's. It is amazing how short our memories are. Furthermore, what about Bahrain!!!!!!!! There have been massive atrocities against the citizens with doctors and patients being tortured in hospitals and firing squads, but there is not a peep from the mainstream media because America has a strategic Naval Base there which is close to the straight of Hormuz and Iran another future target for regime change.

[-] 6 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Thank you for confronting this matter. I sadly believe that the non leaders of OWS are in the ideological pocket of the US State Department. Then there are the fools like VQkag2 who refuse to look at facts because they are just another bunch of American exceptionalist bullies who think that it is right good and natural that the US dominate the world.

[-] 2 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

It's sad how they fall for the government's usurpation of the Arab Spring movements to stage fake rebellions in Libya and now Syria.

Syria is not a civil war, it's a regime change attempt from without, using NATO's favorite terrorist army, Al Queda.

[-] 1 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

You got that right!!!!!

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28250) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

If so - then AssHead....ahem....Assad....should not have started bombing his cities - no instead - he should have engaged the insurgents with his foot soldiers - and asked for help in protecting his borders to stop infiltration. But - NO - He opened up full scale warfare on everyone and everything in Syria's cities.

[-] 0 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

And you graduated from a military academy... when? Why is it so hard for our countrymen to grasp: Not everything that happens everywhere needs "our" "help".

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28250) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Where did I say that the USA had to be the ones to go in there? Are there not other country's in the neighborhood that know the terrain that know the languages of the area that know the peoples of the area? Are not some of these neighboring countries members of NATO the United Nations?

Your Damn Skippy That They Should Be Working Together To Maintain Peace In Their Area Of The World.

[-] 0 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

You are offering military strategic judgement to the leader of Syria, and now to NATO too. Yeah, let's get all the local "democrats" like the King of Saudi Arabia, to go in there and rescue the poor Syrians. Not to mention the royal family of Bahrain. Yeah, great idea - ther Saudi Royals and al quaeda to the rescue.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28250) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

So apparent ShitHead2 what do you propose be done? Hey?

[-] 0 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Well, it is late in the day,as much of the damage has already been done. I propose "we" undertake to rebuild the nations "we" have wrecked with our great and beneficent "help" starting with Vietnam and going straight through to Libya and Syria, and Palestine. I mean direct unconditional material recompense, not a gift, but reparations. What do you propose?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28250) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

That stops the fighting - How?

That is the original subject - " stopping the fighting and the subsequent killing of innocent civilians" - not reparations - so you would stop the fighting how(?) - what is your solution?

[-] 1 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

To start, individuals such as yourself ought not advocate for interventions in other countries. That would be a good start.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28250) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Ummm ShitHead2 - how exactly is that your plan to stop the fighting/killing? I did not ask you what you thought should not be done. I asked what is your plan to end the violence that is occurring?

[-] 1 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

The PTB go ahead and start wars, kill millions of people, lie to everyone about what they are doing and why they are doing it and you want me to give you a magic incantation to solve it all? I only wish it were so easy. What's your plan oh little turd blossom?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28250) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

WOW SH2 - you still ruminating over your failure to comprehend? and respond to a question that was redirected back 2 U? And U seem to have poor reading retention as well.


[-] 0 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1080) from New York, NY 4 days ago

And you graduated from a military academy... when? Why is it so hard for our countrymen to grasp: Not everything that happens everywhere needs "our" "help". ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (21250) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 days ago

Where did I say that the USA had to be the ones to go in there? Are there not other country's in the neighborhood that know the terrain that know the languages of the area that know the peoples of the area? Are not some of these neighboring countries members of NATO the United Nations?

Your Damn Skippy That They Should Be Working Together To Maintain Peace In Their Area Of The World.

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[-] 1 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago
[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

We could start by clearing all of our unexploded ordinances out of cambodia and maybe using our economic recovery to repair a mistake to the best of our abilities. Just two of many many places we have forgotten or never knew about. America's aftermath.

[-] 0 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Don't drink the MSM koolaid. Do some research on your own. The atrocities of Homs and Houla were carried out by NATO, then blamed on Assad. Spend a little time looking into it.

That type of thing is standard spec op stuff. What do you think Mossad's "We wage war by way of deception" means?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28250) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

AssHead is by no means blameless - did you not see footage of his helicopter gunships strafing the cities? Or the Tanks and artillery shells? Yes there is more then one story happening over there but AssHead is in no way blameless.

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Assad and the Syrian military are not saints. But the attack on the sovereignty of Syria is aggressive war, a premeditated war crime.

Mark my words, this era will come to be known as the age of false flags and informationwarfare. NATO is the evil party here, but has so far fared well in the information war.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28250) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

False Flag and fossil fuel resource wars.

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

So the brutal dictator Assad who has in a year slaughtered more than 30k (mostly innocent) Syrians with Russian weapons is the good guy?

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

I believe you are a knowing liar. Goodby.

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

I would be willing to bet VQ is an intern, either in the liberal media or for a Washington liberal. Even campaign hacks aren't this stupid.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

working for no money

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

I would say no. Anyone qualified for a paycheck doesn't refute reality when the reality is so easily proven.

[-] 0 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

I dunno, how would an intern have enough time for some 12,000 comments?

Now I understand that it's not nice to make fun of old people but as an oldish person myself who can already sense the encroaching decrepitude I feel I am licensed. Personally I suspect VQ is a toothless old codger shuffling around in his plaid slippers wearing pajama pants, an old yellowed tee shirt and a bathrobe from 3-Times-a-Charm Consignments. He probably harasses the nursing home staff so much that they sit him in a corner with a laptop, so they'll have peace while he has at us. Old, ornery and cantankerous -- that's VQ.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6638) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

At least half of those 12,000 points (not comments) were due to him using other usernames (like Imagine40, which is one) and spending literally hours of his time going thru threads up-voting himself. He got caught doing it, so now he only up-votes himself a couple hundred a week as opposed to the 1500 plus when he was as his peak. He'll deny it, of course, and claim the numbers mean nothing, but a couple of us know for a FACT he does. If you were to go thru some of the threads from mid-summer, you'll see literally every comment from him will have 5, 6, 7 points each. Every single comment. That happens to no one else.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

lol, funny thought.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

LOL. But you continue to fantasize about my personal life, & sling immature, hateful, personal attacks that are IRRELEVANT! Which therefore defines YOU as such!

LMFAO.

You cannot debate the issues with honest facts, in a civil way, cause your opinions can't stand up to honest, fact based civil discourse.

And all of this means I win, & YOU LOSE.

LOSERS!

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

My personal info is not relevant.

Stick to the facts of the issue and stop with the distractions of personal attacks.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I KNOW you are avoiding the truth.

Hello!

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

he should have used American weaponry, doesn't he know we dominate the weapons market

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Without a doubt. And WE the people must get in the street to protest that obscenity.

Not in our name. Pressure all pols to end the murderous arms industry.

It is up to US!

[-] 0 points by DogBone (-201) 1 year ago

Your mama say's to get off the net and take your meds. And please do not forget to wash the dishes

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Aaaaaah ha ha ha! Your so clever. You should have your own show. but you've already used that golden oldie.

You're as washed up as henny Youngman.

Pathetic!

[-] 0 points by ftrp (-95) 1 year ago

Have you ever read the 2nd ammendment? Have you no understanding of American history?

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Yes, & yes.

Stop the obscene murderous arms industry. It only props up brutal dictators and creates more "terrorist enemies".

[-] 0 points by ftrp (-95) 1 year ago

your willful stupidity is staggering. the reason for the 2nd ammendment is to keep the populace able to defend themselves and to be free of presidents that would be dictators .

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28250) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Damn - when do we get our stealth fighters? Yay for the right to bear arms. Do you have to order this stuff on-line? I can't find a local store. Do civilians get a discount? R there easy payment programs?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I read it AND I saw the movie.

Don't be afraid! the one world govt will not be imposed until after we are dead and buried.

Peace

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Nah don't be afraid ofthe 1969 vienna convention.

The one world govt isn't scheduled to be imposed until well afterwe're dead and buried.

Alright? feel better.

Peace, and solidarity comrade!

[-] -1 points by ftrp (-95) 1 year ago

did you read the article 27 of the 1969 vienna convention?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Which Vienna convention are you so afraid of? The 1st onewas written in the 1850's?

Do not submit to thefear from theright wing. America's sovereignty is not threatened.

But rest assured oneday in the future (not in our lifetimes) the world will unite in one government. And it will be good for all.

Ain'tcha never watched Star Trek?

[-] 0 points by ftrp (-95) 1 year ago

the vienna convention of 1969, article 27.one world govt = world wide fascism.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

"Ah loves my guns, ah loves my guns".

LOL.

UN gonna do away with the 2nd amendment? Please. Pot the fear aside. Don't you realize fear is how your conservative/republicans rile you up & control you.

Put your big boy pants on and be a man! No oneis comin for your guns.

Whatta joke! LMFAO

[-] -1 points by ftrp (-95) 1 year ago

READ the entire vienna convention, ....all of it. its easy to understand.it supercedes all national laws, . it supercedes the US constitution including the bill of rights.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Your personal attacks on me simply betray the impotence of your position.

The international arms industry is not covered by the 2nd amendment.

Stagger over to that reality boss.

[-] -1 points by ftrp (-95) 1 year ago

take a look a the vienna convention. any nation that has signed it ( like the USA) has it own national laws( the US constitution and the bill of rights) negated by it. the un will eventually do away with the 2nd ammendment.

[-] 0 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 1 year ago

I have to agree with nomdeguerre and RKG here. I've tried to work with you here on some matters. (I know you probably don't recall because that was another "you.") I've been too tolerant and now I must join those who say "please do not reply to my posts, you are something quite not good."

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I am who I've always been. Perhaps you are different. I don't recognize your username as someone I've ever interacted with, let alone someone who has "worked with me".

You are free to agree, & respond to anyone you like. As am I. As such I will continue to respond as I see fit.

I reject your request of me to "not reply". You don't want replies? Don't comment. THAT is the extent of your authority.

Understand?

"You are something quite not good" WTF does that mean?

I'm not good because I recognize that for 30 years Assad & his father have slaughtered tens of thousands with Russias help?

Get a grip. Russian puppet dictators are bad just as ours are.

[-] 1 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 1 year ago

" I don't recognize your username as someone I've ever interacted with, l" 'nuff said. bye bye bozo.

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

name calling reflects your inability to discuss maturely, in a civil way with facts.

Try it. It is it's own reward, and life affirming.

[-] 0 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 1 year ago

'bye. respond to me one more time and I claim harassment. Leave me out of your warmongering.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

What evidence do you have that I am a war monger?

I've been anti war, protesting in the street since Reagan & the MX missile.

Peace.

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Manufactured uprising is right. NATO wants to install another criminal terroristic government, a la Libya and Kosovo.

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

The "Free Syrian Army" is not led by Al Qaeda. Where did you get that from?

[-] 3 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/world/middleeast/jihadists-receiving-most-arms-sent-to-syrian-rebels.html?_r=0

WASHINGTON — Most of the arms shipped at the behest of Saudi Arabia and Qatar to supply Syrian rebel groups fighting the government of Bashar al-Assad are going to hard-line Islamic jihadists, and not the more secular opposition groups that the West wants to bolster, according to American officials and Middle Eastern diplomats. Multimedia

Video Feature Watching Syria’s War Related At War Blog: Heat-Seeking Missiles in Syria: The SA-7 in Action with Rebels (October 15, 2012) As Tension Escalates, Turkey Issues a Ban on All Syrian Aircraft (October 15, 2012)

Connect With Us on Twitter Follow @nytimesworld for international breaking news and headlines. Twitter List: Reporters and Editors Readers’ Comments Readers shared their thoughts on this article. Read All Comments (121) » That conclusion, of which President Obama and other senior officials are aware from classified assessments of the Syrian conflict that has now claimed more than 25,000 lives, casts into doubt whether the White House’s strategy of minimal and indirect intervention in the Syrian conflict is accomplishing its intended purpose of helping a democratic-minded opposition topple an oppressive government, or is instead sowing the seeds of future insurgencies hostile to the United States.

“The opposition groups that are receiving the most of the lethal aid are exactly the ones we don’t want to have it,” said one American official familiar with the outlines of those findings, commenting on an operation that in American eyes has increasingly gone awry.

The United States is not sending arms directly to the Syrian opposition. Instead, it is providing intelligence and other support for shipments of secondhand light weapons like rifles and grenades into Syria, mainly orchestrated from Saudi Arabia and Qatar. The reports indicate that the shipments organized from Qatar, in particular, are largely going to hard-line Islamists.

The assessment of the arms flows comes at a crucial time for Mr. Obama, in the closing weeks of the election campaign with two debates looming that will focus on his foreign policy record. But it also calls into question the Syria strategy laid out by Mitt Romney, his Republican challenger.

In a speech at the Virginia Military Institute last Monday, Mr. Romney said he would ensure that rebel groups “who share our values” would “obtain the arms they need to defeat Assad’s tanks, helicopters and fighter jets.” That suggests he would approve the transfer of weapons like antiaircraft and antitank systems that are much more potent than any the United States has been willing to put into rebel hands so far, precisely because American officials cannot be certain who will ultimately be using them.

But Mr. Romney stopped short of saying that he would have the United States provide those arms directly, and his aides said he would instead rely on Arab allies to do it. That would leave him, like Mr. Obama, with little direct control over the distribution of the arms.

American officials have been trying to understand why hard-line Islamists have received the lion’s share of the arms shipped to the Syrian opposition through the shadowy pipeline with roots in Qatar, and, to a lesser degree, Saudi Arabia. The officials, voicing frustration, say there is no central clearinghouse for the shipments, and no effective way of vetting the groups that ultimately receive them.

Those problems were central concerns for the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, David H. Petraeus, when he traveled secretly to Turkey last month, officials said.

The C.I.A. has not commented on Mr. Petraeus’s trip, made to a region he knows well from his days as the Army general in charge of Central Command, which is responsible for all American military operations in the Middle East. Officials of countries in the region say that Mr. Petraeus has been deeply involved in trying to steer the supply effort, though American officials dispute that assertion.

One Middle Eastern diplomat who has dealt extensively with the C.I.A. on the issue said that Mr. Petraeus’s goal was to oversee the process of “vetting, and then shaping, an opposition that the U.S. thinks it can work with.” According to American and Arab officials, the C.I.A. has sent officers to Turkey to help direct the aid, but the agency has been hampered by a lack of good intelligence about many rebel figures and factions.

Another Middle Eastern diplomat whose government has supported the Syrian rebels said his country’s political leadership was discouraged by the lack of organization and the ineffectiveness of the disjointed Syrian opposition movement, and had raised its concerns with American officials. The diplomat, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was discussing delicate intelligence issues, said the various rebel groups had failed to assemble a clear military plan, lacked a coherent blueprint for governing Syria afterward if the Assad government fell, and quarreled too often among themselves, undercutting their military and political effectiveness.

1 2 NEXT PAGE » Robert F. Worth and Eric Schmitt contributed reporting from Washington.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/world/middleeast/jihadists-receiving-most-arms-sent-to-syrian-rebels.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0

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“We haven’t seen anyone step up to take a leadership role for what happens after Assad,” the diplomat said. “There’s not much of anything that’s encouraging. We should have lowered our expectations.” Multimedia

Video Feature Watching Syria’s War Related At War Blog: Heat-Seeking Missiles in Syria: The SA-7 in Action with Rebels (October 15, 2012) As Tension Escalates, Turkey Issues a Ban on All Syrian Aircraft (October 15, 2012)

Connect With Us on Twitter Follow @nytimesworld for international breaking news and headlines. Twitter List: Reporters and Editors Readers’ Comments Readers shared their thoughts on this article. Read All Comments (121) » The disorganization is strengthening the hand of Islamic extremist groups in Syria, some with ties or affiliations with Al Qaeda, he said: “The longer this goes on, the more likely those groups will gain strength.”

American officials worry that, should Mr. Assad be ousted, Syria could erupt afterward into a new conflict over control of the country, in which the more hard-line Islamic groups would be the best armed. That depends on what happens in the arms bazaar that has been feeding the rebel groups. In several towns along the Turkey-Syria border, rebel commanders can be found seeking weapons and meeting with shadowy intermediaries, in a chaotic atmosphere where the true identities and affiliations of any party can be extremely difficult to ascertain.

Late last month in the Turkish border town of Antakya, at least two men who had recently been in Syria said they had seen Islamist rebels buying weapons in large quantities and then burying them in caches, to be used after the collapse of the Assad government. But it was impossible to verify these accounts, and other rebels derided the reports as wildly implausible.

Moreover, the rebels often adapt their language and appearance in ways they hope will appeal to those distributing weapons. For instance, many rebels have grown the long, scraggly beards favored by hard-line Salafi Muslims after hearing that Qatar was more inclined to give weapons to Islamists.

The Saudis and Qataris are themselves relying on intermediaries — some of them Lebanese — who have struggled to make sense of the complex affiliations of the rebels they deal with.

“We’re trying to improve the process,” said one Arab official involved in the effort to provide small arms to the rebels. “It is a very complex situation in Syria, but we are learning.”

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Ok so the article says they are trying to improve these mistakes. That is reassuring. And they didn't state the theextremists are the leaders of the free Syrian Army, so that is reassuring.

I guess I have to be honest and say that I have always known that the Saudi family has supported extremists. Gotta pretty naive not to know that huh?

Most important of all get the brutal dictator Assad and the criminal Russians who support him out of Syria.

When that is done we'll have to deal with any extremists left behind.

If we are lucky the people of Syria will rise up and evict the extremists like the people of Benghazi,Libya did after the killing of US diplomats.

Yes? Agreed?

[-] 2 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

ROFLMAO. If the people of Bengazi chased out the extremists as the MSM war propagandists say why then is the US sending in forces to catch them? http://tinyurl.com/blz2az5

As for the brutal dictator Assad, he is the problem of the Syrians if indeed a problem he is. MEddling, arming various factions including jihadis is not a good plan. Syria is a mix of ethnicities and religious sects some of which have bitter histories with the others. Could it be, just maybe, perhaps, a strong hand is what is needed in such a situation and that a strong hand is what will follow after Assad out of necessity? Could it possibly not be your damned business to decide on that?

As for Russia it also is such a mix. Syrians, Iraqis and Russians first of all should have a right to live without being afraid of car bombs and that some ancient vendetta will claim their grandchildren. Cynical forces in the US and the west want to exploit these issues in order to rape these countries, not to help them. Russia happens to have a naval base in Syria and it is concerned rightly so for the well being of its sailors and their families. It also has an interest in sticking with its ally in order that other allies not fear being abandoned, and this is in triplicate since they did show weakness in allowing what happened to Khadaffi. BTW were you Assad and you saw how Khaddafi's life was ended I suspect you'd be fighting to the last no holds barred. Well, imagine Assad's ethno/religious group the Alawites. And their allies the Christians and the Druse. Do you think they are going to wait for the fate that befell the black Libyans? I don't think so. They will fight like cats and dogs to not allow that to happen to themselves.

(edit) As in all US wars since the Spanish American war you can take to the bank the fact that you are being lied to by your government and the Anderson Coopers of the world. What they are leaking and admitting in this article is probably not the half of the mess they've created in Syria.

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[-] 1 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Don't allow yourself to be confused by facts.

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[-] 0 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Not me boss, but you aren't gonna rope me into a battle about what party i support. I have a long track record here of blasting Romney and saying that a vote for Obama is the only way anyone who is progressive ought to go- but in my case that vote is going to be cast one handed because I will need the other hand to hold my nose.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

And Russians don't lie?

Assad MUST GO!!!!

[-] 0 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

May your offspring be among the first to go and raise the old glory banner over Damascus. May mine not be among them.

[+] -4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

So you would wish death to my children.? I don't have to resort to horrible personal attacks. I can stick with the truth and remain civil.

Please do not respond.

[-] 2 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Anyone who supports military action in any cause but would not risk their own flesh and blood is a monster.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I would risk my own flesh & blood to protect the oppressed.

I do not personally attack people here because it does not serve the discussion. I prefer substance related to issue.

Calling people names ("monster"?) is childish. doesn't add to the discussion. Do you think you will convince someone of your position by bullying them, insulting them?.

Or do you just come here to get a thrill by putting people down tolift yourself up?

Obviously your position is so weak you must personally attack me and my children.

You have no honor.

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

You have no honor. Shubel made no death wish against your children. Your response to him says it all.

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

No! no! YOU have no honor.! Nyah nyah nyah na na na!

LMFAO.

"May your offspring be among the first to go and raise the old glory banner over Damascus"

That what Shube said. Clearly about my children, clearly about sending them into war, clearly the risk of death is most prevalent in war.

You and your friend can't discuss issues in a civil respectful way. You position is so weak you must resort to schoolyard bullying tactics instead of facts.

You don't know if I have been to war, or my children, and it is not relevant. But to suggest my children should be sent to war or call me a monster is without honor.

I have only been civil, respectful & honorable.

You also do not have to respond.

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Let's get to the bottom line, no more U.S. blood for Israel's wars. Got it?

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Israel?

Sure. no more blood for Israel.

But certainly we can support the Syrian people against the Russian puppet brutal dictator Assad.

Right?

Assad, & Russia out of Syria!!!

Agreed??

[-] 0 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

SOMEONE has to go to Syria and get the job done VQkag2 ! Who do you imagine those someones ought to be? My Kids and grandchildren??????????? No, may those someones be near and dear to you, not to me.

[-] 1 points by geeksquad100 (1) 1 year ago

Syrian people sick about BBC and western Media Lies and False Revolutions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m7gENtSUY0&feature=relmfu

The Truth about Syria and Western Lies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue3NOxQ9abw&feature=fvwrel

Al Jazeera Reporter resigns and speaks the truth about Syria (Aljazeera EXPOSED !) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1MkK0ieB7M&feature=related

Syria: PRO-Assad Mass-Demonstration (Nov.2011,Bahrat Square in Damascus) WATCH THIS VIDEO THAT IS MORE PEOPLE THEN ANY DEMONSTRATION FOR ANYTHING COMBINED! TENS OF THOUSANDS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGG8fpwP5iA&feature=relmfu

SYRIA: Media Lies & Manipulation for terrorist "revolutions" (Part 1 of 3) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GClnbjeZTnQ

NUFF SAID!

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I disagree!

Do you support this weekends opposition unity agreement?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/12/world/middleeast/syrian-opposition-groups-sign-unity-deal.html?pagewanted=all

The brutal, murderous, dictator Assad, and his Russian puppetmasters must go!

Peace

[-] 3 points by mappchris (12) 1 year ago

Do you not believe Al-Qaeda is leading attacks in Syria against the Assad Regime? http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/314685/syria-why-al-qaeda-winning-ed-husain Check that out.

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

"Al Qaeda leading attacks" is a very different statement than "Al Qaeda led Free Syrian Army"

Al Qaeda may lead some attacks against the corrupt, brutal Assad dictatorship, but Al Qaeda does not lead the Free Syrian Army.

[-] 2 points by mappchris (12) 1 year ago

This can be debated, but I draw this conclusion from what happened in Libya when Al-Qaeda flags where hoisted over the governmental buildings in Libya. If the Free Syrian Army is not led or at least heavily influenced by Al-Qaeda than who is?

[-] -3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Riad Al Asaad and about 30K former Syrian military who assert non sectarian goals and claim to only seek the overthrow of the corrupt brutal dictator Assad. The group claims to include Alawi members and promises there will be no reprisals against alawis when Assad is finally overthrown.

Other than that. I DO NOT KNOW who who leads the FSA. But the lie that Al Qaeda leads them is just more right wing fear mongering to continue the war on terror.

Don't believe the hype.

[-] 2 points by mappchris (12) 1 year ago

Point of information Al-Qaeda is run by the CIA. And of course the war on terror is a bunch of bullshit. How can you fight a war on terror when war is terror?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28250) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

By fighting the causes of war - export peace - not arms.

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Thank you very much.

Oops don't look now but I think the CIA took your mind!

Oh well. Doesn't seem like you were getting much use out of it anyway.

LMFAO!

[-] 3 points by GreenRevolution (15) 1 year ago

Solidarity for the Syrian People and Assad! Fuck NATO+AlQaeda terrorists! Stop and to bring down the corporate killing machine and regime in USA.

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Oppose Assad and oppose the Al Qaeda and violent extremists mixed in the rebel groups

“International relations can be complicated. It requires an understanding of history, personal relations, economics and regional tensions. It also requires common sense.

“There is a truism which should guide a commonsense approach to U.S. international relations. When you are in a hole – stop digging. When you are involved in a civil war on the verge of becoming a regional conflict characterized by sectarian violence and a rise in al-Qaeda extremists – stop handing out guns.

“Consider this quote from an article in today’s edition of The New York Times on the conflict in Syria: “Most of the arms shipped at the behest of Saudi Arabia and Qatar to supply Syrian rebel groups fighting the government of Bashar al-Assad are going to hard-line Islamic jihadists, and not the more secular opposition groups that the West wants to bolster, according to American officials and Middle Eastern Diplomats.”

“It has been clear that al-Qaeda and Jihadist groups benefit from the violent instability that has engulfed Syria. Last week, in a Congressional hearing on security in Libya we heard testimony which confirmed that al-Qaeda is more established as a result of our intervention in Libya. It has been clear for months that al-Qaeda-affiliated groups are now also operating in Syria.

“Again from the New York Times: “That conclusion... casts into doubt whether the White House’s strategy is accomplishing its intended purpose… or is instead sowing the seeds of future insurgencies hostile to the United States.” I warned about this in an August article entitled, “Tilling the Grounds for the Seeds of Terrorism.” It should come as no surprise that extremist groups have hijacked desire for change in Syria.

“The New York Times said: “American officials worry that, should Mr. Assad be ousted, Syria could erupt afterward into a new conflict over control of the country, in which the more hard-line Islamic groups would be the best armed.”

“Until we know who we are supporting, until we know what comes after, until we know how to prevent the war from expanding – let’s stop sending weapons into that country. Let’s stop creating wars we can’t win, wars we can’t afford and wars which visit more anti-American violence in the future.”

  • Dennis Kucinich
[-] 1 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

This post is a shameless call for intervention is Syria. The State Department has already been outed trying to manipulate OWS before. They're still at it and they control OWS "foreign policy."

http://www.nycga.net/groups/movement-building/forum/topic/egypt-who-is-maria-dayton-answer-employed-by-u-s-government-co-organizer-of-the-ows-egypt-trip/

I'm wondering if Maria Dayton and her Israeli American friend are still on board?

EGYPT: WHO IS MARIA DAYTON? ANSWER: EMPLOYED BY U.S. GOVERNMENT / CO-ORGANIZER OF THE OWS EGYPT (19 POSTS) Topic tags: Egypt "Maria Dayton" Viewing post 1 to 15 (19 total posts) 1 2 → Monica McLaughlin-52p said 11 months ago: I did a bit of armchair research and discovered that Maria Dayton, who proposed the Egytian trip to OWS, actually works for the U.S. Government. The hope of the U.S. Government is that deligates from OWS will travel to Egypt to lend legitimacy to the fraudulent elections thus proping up a puppet government to replace the one that fell. Maria Dayton has worked with the United Nations regarding election monitoring.

Read the following: 1. 11/21/11 post from Matthew Naim Abdulla and Ruby Amatulla explaining why the Egypt trip needs to go forward (despite OWS controversy and the Egyptians telling OWS not to come). a. “We were involved in co-organizing the proposal for the Egypt delegation, along with Maria Dayton and others on the Egyptian side.”

  1. Did the US Co-opt OWS in Order to Legitimize Egypt’s Flawed Elections? by Jacob Levich: http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2011/levich221111.html

a. “a New York City “General Assembly” was bamboozled by what may be a State Department and/or NED initiative aimed at granting legitimacy to Egypt’s flawed election process.” b. OWS in New York City agreed to send a delegation of election monitors to Egypt after a mysterious activist flew in from Washington with a proposal in hand. The New York City OWS swiftly approved the initiative at a November 10 “General Assembly” in Zuccotti Park and allocated $29,000. c. Maria Dayton, the apparent author of the proposal, boasts of connections to the U.S. State Department, the National Endowment for Democracy, and Freedom House on her LinkedIn profile (since deleted but preserved by Doherty, at http://cld.bangpound.org/2G423i2t2R2f2q1q331K Each of these institutions has a longstanding history of subverting and co-opting popular movements in the interests of U.S. foreign policy.

  1. LinkedIn Profile of Maria Dayton dated October 14, 2011: http://cld.bangpound.org/2G423i2t2R2f2q1q331K a. Contract Author for the U.S. Dept of State (led by Hillary Clinton) b. Regional Program Manager of Vital Voices Global Partnership (grew out of the U.S. government’s Vital Voices Democracy Initiative established in 1997 by First Lady of the United States Hillary Rodham Clinton and U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. Besides Clinton, honorary chairs include current and former U.S. Senators Kay Bailey Hutchison and Nancy Kassebaum Baker. Funding has come from a variety of sources, including individual donations, corporate sponsorships such as from ExxonMobil, and the efforts of the Clinton Global Initiative. In 2002 Vital Voices was asked by First Lady Laura Bush to drive the effort to supply school uniforms to the many girls returning to school for the first time following the U.S. led overthrow of the Taliban in Afghanistan.

  2. Alec Exposed: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Maria_Dayton a. Ms. Dayton is a DC based activist who specializes in democracy, civil society, and human rights issues in the Middle East. She has extensive experience developing, implementing, and assessing various development projects with the United Nations and other local organizations in many countries including: Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, Qatar, Israel/Palestine, and Rwanda. As a project manager for the Ibn Khaldun Center for Development studies in Cairo she worked closely with the director and Nobel Peace Prize nominee, Saad Eddin Ibrahim, in the development of many civil society programs including: the 2005 Election Monitoring project, the Egyptian Democracy Support Network

  3. Global Research article: Occupy Wall Street and “The American Autumn”: Is It a “Colored Revolution”? http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=27053 a. The “colored revolutions” are US intelligence ops which consist in covertly supporting protest movements with a view to triggering “regime change” under the banner of a pro-democracy movement. b. “Colored revolutions” are supported by the National Endowment for Democracy, the International Republican Institute and Freedom House, among others. The objective of a “colored revolution” is to foment social unrest and use the protest movement to topple the existing government. The ultimate foreign policy goal is to instate a compliant pro-US government (or “puppet regime”).
[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

needs pictures of bodies on location

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28250) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

May we see everyone stand-up and protest war. May we see everyone denounce war. Syria is an awful mess and a tragedy for the innocent civilian population - but they are not alone in this world - as at this very moment in time there are a lot of armed conflicts happening around the world - for - NO - GOOD - REASON. Strife can be ended - the reasons for strife need to be addressed. Lack of good water lack of food lack of medicine lack of power generation and transportation. Non-fossil fuel technology is available for implementation around the world - technology that would provide clean independent electricity and clean fuel ( liquid Hydrogen - wind solar and more ) much of the armed strife around the world is due to struggle for resources. Let us remove many of the struggles. There is the rolling jubilee to eliminate unnecessary strangling debt people aiding people in economic recovery. How about a rolling resource struggle people helping people campaign as well.

Anyway - very good to see a call for peace go out for the people of Syria.

[-] 1 points by zymplex (1) 1 year ago

You at Occupy really have to focus. Don't adopt every world tragedy. See this article from the H-Post? The Occupy Wall Street Movement should move in quickly to support them - and everyone at all times that tries to stand up for themselves as a victim of the 1% - it's not just housing. That way you can build, little by little, a consistent message that is demonstrated efficiently to, and finally understood by, the US population. It would snowball.

These are the important opportunities for the movement. These are lost oppertunities. You don't have to camp out for weeks like last year. That's not the way practical, peaceful demonstrations are done. You just have rally people to make a stand for a few hours at all these types of demonstrations - these protests by the underclass against those who have stole and continue to steel the American Dream.

Subject: Huffington Post: Walmart Strikes Spread As More Workers Claim Intimidation

People have to stand up for their rights!

     Walmart Strikes Spread As More Workers Claim Intimidation

The wave of organized Walmart strikes that hit 12 states last week has now inspired more of the company's employees to take up the cause. On Sunday evening, a band of renegade Walmart employees in Sapulpa, Okla., left work to protest without the aid of national labor groups. Stirred by what they saw on the news, Jeffrey Landry, David Gibbs and Nathan Beck stood outside in the vast parking lot of their Supercenter with homemade signs, beckoning cars to honk. Unlike last week's strikers, who were nearly all members of the union-backed worker organization OUR Walmart, the Oklahomans had no outside assistance putting together their action. "I saw what was happening at stores in Dallas and around the country, and I did my research," said Landry, 34, whose homemade sign protested workers' hours being cut. Landry said Walmart slashed his hours a month ago after he involved a regional HR manager in a workplace dispute over department placement. "They're trying to prove they're in charge by silencing me," said Landry, a father of three who earns $8.65 an hour and has worked at Walmart for two and a half years. The tiny group of protesters, who also made an appearance outside the store on Monday, originally planned to include 10 employees in their action. At the last minute, seven of the potential protesters backed out, Landry said. "A lot of workers came to the door and watched us, shaking their heads and saying, 'I don't want to lose my job,'" he said. The wave of strikes, the first ever by retail workers at Walmart in the company's 50-year history, started in Los Angeles on October 4, when around 60 workers walked off the job. The following Tuesday, 88 workers at 28 Walmart stores around the country also went on strike. The demonstrators claimed Walmart was punishing workers who complained about unfair labor conditions. A total of 88 people remains a drop of water in an ocean of workers for Walmart, which is the largest private employer in America with 1.4 million employees. Walmart has claimed that the strikers do not represent the average worker, or "associate." The company cites improved employee satisfaction scores over the past several years and a turnover rate of 37.26 percent -- lower than the retail industry's average of 43.6 percent -- as clear indications of its employee experience. "We've seen the unions hold these made-for-TV events outside our stores for about 10 years now," Walmart spokesman Dan Fogleman told The Huffington Post last week, "and they want the publicity to help further their political and financial agendas." Asked via email on Wednesday what he thought of new, independent workers joining the strikes, Fogleman replied, "This doesn't change anything." Strikers say the reason organized actions against Walmart have been so rare -- as well as why the current strikes remain so small -- is that Walmart intimidates employees who try to organize. According to Beck and Landry, Walmart managers held a meeting on Saturday in Sapulpa to discourage associates from striking. "The meeting changed the whole atmosphere of the store," said Landry, who wasn't working on Saturday but heard about the meeting through colleagues. "Clearly it intimidated [people]." Walmart declined to comment on the meeting. In an internal memo obtained by The Huffington Post last week, the company instructed its managers not to "discipline" striking employees but encouraged management to share relevant "fact[s], opinion[s] or experience[s]" about labor organizing, such as saying, "I don't think a walkout is a good way to resolve problems or issues." The memo also outlined workers' legal right to concerted activity, or non-union labor organizing. Landry found a copy of the document on The Huffington Post while planning the walkout and printed out copies to show his managers in case they did threaten to discipline him. So far, Landry has yet to encounter problems with management, he said. Upon returning to work Tuesday evening, he found he had been scheduled for a regular number of hours. "They're covering their butts," he said. Beck, on the other hand, was called in to meet with managers Tuesday night. "They said they couldn't guarantee my job would be protected," he said. "I'm not scared," said Beck, 20, who hopes his actions will compel more people across the country to join the strikes. "Something big is going to happen. There are a lot of associates on the inside supporting us." Christina Wilkie contributed reporting.

[-] 1 points by rima36 (1) 1 year ago

Dear freedom friends in the whole world, Syria is not only the people's revolution for freedom and dignity but it is a fight against all the evil of the murderous and barbaric regime in Syria. By joining the demonstration in London on the 20th of October at 2:00 Trafalgar Square, you are supporting goodness against evil, the children against death and civilisation against savagery

[-] 1 points by mappchris (12) 1 year ago

it is plain to see that the elites that control all governments are more or less evil. That goes for Russia China and America. They are fighting over power and control. They are all imperialist. The good is in the hearts of the regular people who have been propagandized into supporting their imperialist masters. So the battle is evil vs evil and the good are exploited for the use of the evil.

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2164) 1 year ago

The Syrian government has killed 30k civilians iwith the help of Russia.

Dozens Killed in Syrian Bombing of Rebel-Held Town

Dozens of people were killed Thursday when Syrian warplanes bombed the rebel-held town of Maaret al-Numan. Rescue workers interviewed at the scene reported a toll of at least 44 people, including 29 children. The bombs apparently destroyed two residential buildings and a mosque, where many of the victims had sought shelter. With Syria’s violence continuing to flare, the United Nations’s top human rights official, Navi Pillay, warned the current bloodshed could descend to the levels of Bosnia’s sectarian war. Navi Pillay: "The memories of what happened in Bosnia and Herzegovina should be sufficiently fresh to warn us all of the danger of allowing Syria to descend into all-out sectarian conflict. Thousands and thousands of men, women and children have already been killed, injured, tortured, displaced. It should not take something as drastic as Srebrenica to shake the world into taking serious action to stop this kind of conflict. By remaining divided, the international community is enabling continuation of the suffering and helping create the circumstances for a wider regional conflict."

[-] -3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Solidarity!

Assad & Russia out of Syria!

[-] 0 points by grapes (2899) 1 year ago

Al-Assad, please leave for the sake of your people and your own very precious self's sake! Your people have proven themselves worthy warriors. They willingly put their bodies in harms' way to BE RID OF your rule. Do you get the message? Get out while you still can!

[-] 0 points by 71353933 (85) 1 year ago

'silence of the arab world'....yeah you got that post right.....the arab world are more concerned about cartoons

[-] 1 points by grapes (2899) 1 year ago

The Arab or the Muslim world was NOT silent. There were Arab League peace-making effort that failed. The matter was referred to the U.N. which tried but failed, too. In the U.N. Security Council, China and Russia were protecting Syria with their vetoing power. There were also Arab countries who had tried to resolve the matter, one way or another, but they have also failed up to now.

[-] 0 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

The OWS State Department crew hits a new low in joining in the one percenter chorus for another war. Facts won't dissuade these American Exceptionalists. All people all over the world should see clearly that there is no legitimate opposition force in the US and make there assessments accordingly.

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[-] 2 points by ericweiss (575) 1 year ago

Egypt & Saudi Arabia have big military forces
Why don't they step in to help their Muslim brothers?

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[-] 2 points by freakyfriday (179) 1 year ago

Radical factions are making inroads in Egypy and Lbya too, despite our presence.

[+] -5 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I stand with the innocent Syrian people who struggle to overthrow the brutal dictator Assad.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Did you also stand with the innocent Iraqi people? Or how's about the innocent Libyan people? Now tell me how much better off these people are, after having a puppet govt installed by a foreign regime.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I absolutely stand with all innocent victims of brutal dictators. Obviously.

And I stand against all puppet govts. Again obviously.

Each country is different.

Peace, & Solidarity.