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Forum Post: Occupy Wall Street is Un-American

Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 1, 2011, 7:27 a.m. EST by fows (111)
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[-] 1 points by StevenRoyal (490) from Dania Beach, FL 12 years ago

Voice lessons needed. If you want good singing, see this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkfVdrtLcRs&feature=related

I especially like how they stuck in those naked girls during hour 3.

[-] 1 points by anotherone773 (734) from Carlyle, IL 12 years ago

That was the most unintelligent, ridiculous, childish, and inaccurate video i have seen in a while on youtube. It was a total waste of 2 minutes of my life. I cannot believe such people call themselves Americans.

[-] 1 points by AlwaysHopeful (0) from Puyallup, WA 12 years ago

HAHAHAHA Gotta love that this guy cared enough to make a video but not enough to write a half decent song or record it well. half-assed bigotry is really just self satire.

[-] 0 points by fows (111) 12 years ago

glad u liked it

[-] 1 points by letsfart4peace (29) 12 years ago

So where is this going? guys arguing who is gonna beat up who, this isnt tosh.o, where you can just post stupid crap like that. This is a very important matter having childish arguments means that you just destroyed your credibility. You talk about left-wing manipulations arising the creation of this movement, and yet you are easily manipulated into a silly argument about who is going to beat up who. So should someone listen to you, after what you displayed earlier? I dont think anyone can, only an idiot would, you probably dont even believe the things you say. You are a rebel without a cause, look deep inside yourself, find those insecurities and deep issues that really trouble you, and find some peace within that, once you obtain that peace you will see the truth and what you should really stand for. Your nonsense only brings further damage, without a constructive discussion

[-] 0 points by fows (111) 12 years ago

I believe it was someone else who wanted to kick my ass. I never said I was going to fight someone here. My credibility hasn't been affected.

[-] 1 points by letsfart4peace (29) 12 years ago

just so we could end this discussion on who did what, its not that you or he started it (sound like school children), is that you havent replied anything forth to this discussion. Videos are a good tool however, these are very trying times and they require personal thought other than what others think. READ my comments thoroughly and come up with good arguments, I dont mean to shut you down bro, but I do believe that there is an alternate way how to handle these discussions. I would like to hear what you personally think so we can have a mature discussions and understanding can take place. I dont believe that you are incorrect, or am insulting your beliefs, but you must take the chance to understand what the person is talking about, so good discussion of novel and innovative ideas can take place.

[-] 0 points by fows (111) 12 years ago

A. . "It's become a moral issue rather than just an economic one. The explosion of the debt bubble and the excesses of Wall Street hurt most Americans terribly," suggests Richard Reich; former Labor Secretary and economic professor (Bruder, 2011).”
B. "Rarely before in American history has the public seen so blatantly how the predations of a very rich and powerful minority at the top can hurt so many." Americans see the U.S. government bailing out financial institutions, but at the same time they see their neighbors losing both jobs and homes (Bruder, 2011). C. Clearly in the years directly before the financial crisis of 2008, many lending institutions made poor decisions; with greed being one of the factors that were at play (Bruder, 2011). VI. When the wealthiest in America are being vilified simply for being wealthiest, it creates a dangerous precedent (Bruder, 2011). A. In response to a proposed 2% income tax on the wealthy in 1894, Sen. John Sherman said, "In a republic like ours, where all men are equal, this attempt to array the rich against the poor or the poor against the rich is socialism, communism, and devilism (Bruder, 2011).” B. In both the Russian Revolution and Nazi Germany, the wealthy and successful were made scapegoats to poor economies (Bruder, 2011). C. If America is to remain a strong capitalistic society, its people must not turn against its most successful citizens (Bruder, 2011). VII. Conclusion A. As we have seen, much of the wealth that the richest 1% of this country possesses is returned society through high tax rates. This helps lower income individuals and families by: reducing the taxes they are required to pay; enabling federal and state governments to provide essential services to the public; funding entitlement programs such as, Medicaid and Social Security. America is famous for the hard work, ingenuity, and success of its citizens, but clearly not all individuals can find success at all times. Nevertheless, to try and blame a minority for their success and other’s failure is not only a fallacy, but disservice to the history of American exceptionalism

[-] 1 points by letsfart4peace (29) 12 years ago

I dont believe that America will be turning against its most successful citizens, rather we must develop ways that produce a better form of productivity. Like I stated before, we are now in the age where we have influence the world in ways never seen before. http://www.sciencemag.org/content/334/6052/34.full?sid=60f7b525-f544-4de4-9159-3c1c85445b1d Although a rather controversial philosophical topic we have classified ourselves as the Anthropocene era. This means that we must stop and rethink our place in society and understand that old capitalistic ideologies work in a world where there are fewer people, but it does not work in a world so vastly connected as the one we live in. It may not be a realistic ideology but we must stop continuing our regular old ways in which it will only lead to self destruction.

[-] 0 points by fows (111) 12 years ago

III. Demanding that the wealthiest individuals relinquish their income through excessively higher tax rates or socialist policies; go against capitalistic philosophy and most American traditions (Miron, 2011). A. “Focusing on the super-rich also fosters a counterproductive attitude toward material success. The way to promote a hard-working, entrepreneurial and innovative society is to celebrate great wealth so long as it has been earned by legitimate means (Miron, 2011).” B. If successful individuals were required to give up larger portions of their wealth, there would be less incentive to strive for success. Unlike socialism, capitalism can reward risk and ingenuity with monetary success (Miron, 2011). IV. The wealthiest 1% of Americans is not a secret cabal, headquartered in the buildings of Wall Street, but a myriad group of individuals with various occupations (Gilson, 2011). A. The Largest group is composed of executives, managers, and supervisors in non-financial businesses (31%) (Gilson, 2011). B. Next is, medical (15.7%) and financial (13.9%) professionals and lawyers (8.4%) The remaining 39.4% of occupations include: blue collar, real estate, scientist, farmers, ranchers, celebrities and entrepreneurs (Gilson, 2011). C. These individuals have not become successful because of any combined effort. There is no conspiracy when it comes to the identity or motives of the wealthiest 1% Americans (Gilson, 2011). V. However, there are those who vehemently adhere to the belief that the wealth disparity in America is severe and specific in its blame (Bruder, 2011).

[-] 1 points by letsfart4peace (29) 12 years ago

This is further than any conspiracy this is our human-self diminishing, our ideas, and values. This is comes to these people as an urgent matter because they feel that the current system, does not work. If we keep things the way they are something will eventually turnout bad along the way. I understand that hard working individuals promote a healthy capitalist government, however the US suffers increasingly high suicide rates, due to pressures invoked by a capitalist government, I'm not saying that any of the current ones work more than the other, but there must a common ground that must be established that is far above any of the forms of government, one that pertains to a global population. Leaving hoarding and selfishness behind. Based on the sole idea that of cause and effect. This is above all religions because this is something that they all share, and therefore we must understand this and consider this when we see the capitalist government fall. Desperate individuals have taken the table to continue turning the table to the old ways, and we see the mockery that has taken place of our election system.

[-] 0 points by fows (111) 12 years ago

I. In September of 2011, organized groups and individuals began to stage sit-in protest at the financial district of New York City. Under the banner of “Occupy Wall Street”, these protesters have railed against what they view as the excesses of financial and lending institutions. Many of these individuals refer to themselves as “The 99%”; compared with the wealthiest 1% of Americans who possess 50% of the countries wealth and assets. However, while it may be convenient to blame the wealth in this country for the plight of low income Americans and those negatively affected by the current U.S. economic crisis; in doing so, the country risk weakening its capitalistic traditions and discouraging initiative and success. A. Wealth distribution in the United States is primarily found in entitlement programs and government spending, both of which are supported primarily by the tax dollars of high income Americans. II. Much of the United States government is funded by wealthy taxpayers, such as: public education, entitlement programs, the military, transportation, and infrastructure (Thornton, 2011). A. According to IRS data from 2008: the top one percent of income earners pays 38 percent of all income taxes; the top ten percent of earners pays 70 percent; the bottom 50 percent of earners only pays three percent (Thornton, 2011). B. Wealthier Americans take a large portion of the tax burden off of the lower incomes (Thornton, 2011).
C. High tax rates on the high income individuals create a fair and productive form of wealth distribution (Thornton, 2011).

[-] 1 points by letsfart4peace (29) 12 years ago

So you are for having a society full of consumers, and steady buyers waiting for when is the next gameboy or ps3 coming out, or when the next movie, or new sofa that we dont need, to live. Although we are all possessed by these objects we allow ourselves to be manipulated. I believe this is another case, although I do not believe that manipulation is a bad thing, depending on what is manipulating you. The problem is that when people do not know that they are being manipulated. This issue is more than just tax dollars, and politics, its a philosophical and psychological conflict that we undergo every day, these people are here because it is not that taxes are the problem, its that we have lost our humanity, constantly being told on a daily basis what to do, by the media, work, etc. These people are here not only because when the hours they place in school working seem pointless, as the education system is also out of wack. These issues involve more than just taxes, i do agree that me must tax the high income individuals although many attempts of that have been done in the past and greed always gives in as they come asking for more. You must understand that we have many problems with our society, we see the youth's morals being desecrated by a capitalist government, and the cycle will never end, as there will be more government crashes, more bailouts, and more crashes until we understand that the value of an object is nothing compared to the life of a human. As humans it is our gift is to create, and we do not create, as we destroy all around us. We are in an era where we have done so much damage to this planet, from oil spills in the gulf, to nuclear meltdowns in ways that we have never seen before. Cause and effect, fows, we are now experiencing those effects, and will continue to experience those effects. These people are here for the sake that they are tired of the current way of things, there are bigger problems out there, we are tired of constantly told to fall asleep, we will not this time, and i believe that i can speak for many that understand this. I know you do not believe that capitalist is the best way to have a working nation as well as a global nation. The population is at 7 billion, and we must think more than ourselves, if we are ever to survive with the more that are on the way.

[-] 0 points by fows (111) 12 years ago

the world's population is on a downswing.

[-] 1 points by letsfart4peace (29) 12 years ago

So we should let countless individuals die? and allow further damage that was caused by mainly us. The US is the largest exporter of trash in the world this is known by many, should we let our selfishness affect those who are less fortunate than us, instead of helping we destroy and devour. The music in the media has gone to all time lows, promoting our leaderless youth without a decent role model in which they follow. I found this sweet song on youtube in which discusses how music has fallen to all time lows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIfYqhKNmmM This song disses the current artist in which this song is dubbed over,Kraeyshawn, as well as uses parts from southpark season 15 episode 7 your getting old. (Have to cite)

[-] 1 points by bladimz (15) 12 years ago

Hmmm... that's what they say about the Tea Party. I bet you are one of their sheep.

[-] -1 points by fows (111) 12 years ago

Independent thinker. Thanks for responding, the tile was meant to elicit a emotional response. You lose.

[-] 1 points by anotherone773 (734) from Carlyle, IL 12 years ago

You know that comment makes you a troll by the very definition of a troll right?

[-] 0 points by fows (111) 12 years ago

no shit

[-] 1 points by bladimz (15) 12 years ago

Uh-huh...

[-] 0 points by fows (111) 12 years ago

true

[-] 1 points by bladimz (15) 12 years ago

Yep. You got me.

[-] 1 points by letsfart4peace (29) 12 years ago

This is an example of immaturity. This person has decided to insult without an attempt to discuss and reach an understanding. This is the kind of attitude we must try to avoid, this is an arrogant display of behavior. I do understand that case in which this person has placed forth, in that others leech on this for either political gain or advertisement, but it does not mean that these people are not there to help. This movement is created around an honest idea that the youth decides what must be done because it is their lives which will be effected. But it is impossible for someone of the 1% to go along with this ideology, since they have so much to lose. Instead of trying to make money off this movement, they should hand out cd for free, as well as give nice donations, to fuel this movement. And since that 1% has much influence they must use that to be the voice of this movement, and bring awareness as well as to promote constructive thought, meaning they have to stop making records based only on what the record company says, because the words of music are the most influential forms of language outthere. I would like to see a boycott of professional recordlable-signed musicians, and have them play across the nation holding free concerts, for the sake of creating new ideas in peoples minds on what is the actual truth. That life isnt about money, and what materials you have that it is about the connection we all share and when we start realizing that we are all one form of conscience, we might treat each other better because, we are all brothers and sisters, running around in this planet looking for answers. So, if we all work together then maybe, we might find those answers to all those questions that we all were looking for.

[-] 1 points by letsfart4peace (29) 12 years ago

I understand your case, and I do see what you mean by this. But these people that have gathered are people like you and me asking themselves every night they go to bed "Is there anything more to life than what is currently seen?" They believe that they have been manipulated all their life to believe in the current system which we see now how it is failing due to the naturalistic greed that every one faces, some succumb to it, and others dont. (it is easier to succumb to it if there is a wad of cash flashing across their face) And since the current system invokes that greed, we must choose another form of system that invokes good actions from people. I dont care who created what, if desicions are made to benefit all the majority and minority, what matters if it was created by the extreme left. If these people believe in having proposals submitted by the people and returning to a more tribal form of government or another form based on ideals of people, and no idea is presumed greater than the next as each of them is discussed coherently, what is the harm? We need change, Obama aimed for that change, although being manipulated by others prevented him from making much change, this movement also seeks that change. It is a common truth that the minds of the youth can be shut down by people such as you, that is why instead of posting videos, and causing further confusion place good arguments to be DISCUSSED by others, and not just post a video.

[-] 0 points by fows (111) 12 years ago

I think the minds of the youth can be shut down by people such as you, that is why I post videos, because I see no relevant discussions on this forum anyways.

[-] 1 points by letsfart4peace (29) 12 years ago

I dont understand what you mean by this comment. Lets come to understanding why claim that I shut down the minds of the youth. What I believe is exactly what you believe, as well as all these other people believe. If you attempted to read my case you would understand what I mean. Allow me to understand your case, so that I could attempt to have you understand mine. Formulate your ideas in words, so that we can have a relevant discussion to what pertains to your concerns. Because this is what this movement is really about.

[-] 1 points by cocreator (36) 12 years ago

your old world is crumbling under your feet ,birth of a new earth is upon us,please get out of the way if you cant lend a hand cause the times they are a changin

[-] 1 points by alfi (469) 12 years ago

You said it brother/sister

[-] 1 points by Bungalow (9) 12 years ago

I'm sorry your house was foreclosed Patrick. How's Aime doing?

[-] 0 points by fows (111) 12 years ago

Nice try scumbag, but your information is out of date. Only total pieces of shit try to dox someone.

[-] 1 points by Bungalow (9) 12 years ago

gotcha bitch! :)

[-] 0 points by fows (111) 12 years ago

I'm not Pat stupid, I'm brianobx. U=FAIL

[-] 1 points by Bungalow (9) 12 years ago

Is that a Polish name?

[-] 0 points by fows (111) 12 years ago

The truth is in the videos. Its pretty obvious who I am. My girlfriend and I are laughing at you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cUP1aoHPEk&lc=xKyldxqfE1iM1BgkXfnbFvBBRJIsi5blJ90TYPLOJOQ&feature=inbox

[-] 1 points by Bungalow (9) 12 years ago

No shit? And by "Girlfriend" do you mean that piece of rabbit fur you rub on your dick everynight? Also, when making a "rap" please try flowing to the beat next time.

[-] 0 points by fows (111) 12 years ago

So, am I pat? Do I know Amie? Is she my girlfriend? lol. you got heart kid, I'll. give you that. but you still don't know jack. (was that enough flow)

by the way, i'm out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cUP1aoHPEk&lc=xKyldxqfE1iM1BgkXfnbFvBBRJIsi5blJ90TYPLOJOQ&feature=inbox

[-] 0 points by smartguy (180) 12 years ago

come at me bro

[-] 0 points by fows (111) 12 years ago

ok, I think you OWS pussies are mostly a bunch of useful idoits. If you don't like capitalistic society, feel free to move to N. Korea.

come at me bro

[-] 0 points by smartguy (180) 12 years ago

take a swing bro, I dare you

[-] 0 points by fows (111) 12 years ago

Its a little difficult to hit someone with a fist over the internet. However, your tough guy bravado does make me laugh.

[-] 0 points by smartguy (180) 12 years ago

what bro? what bro?

didn't think so

[-] 0 points by fows (111) 12 years ago

110 banard St, Grandy NC. Come at me whenever you want; and no, I don't care where you live.

[-] 0 points by smartguy (180) 12 years ago

you better put your fists up pussy

[-] 0 points by smartguy (180) 12 years ago

I don't know which one of those pathetic losers are you, but it doesn't matter. man up pussy

[-] 0 points by fows (111) 12 years ago

dude you haven't been paying any attention have you. Its no wonder you support OWS. I'm the one kicking ass. I'm brianobx.

you are a clueless fuck

[-] 0 points by smartguy (180) 12 years ago

that's strange, because all I saw was a group of pathetic looking pussies

now come at me you little freak, I dare you

[-] 0 points by fows (111) 12 years ago

What do you wish me to do?