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Forum Post: Occupy Wall St: Turning a Protest Into a Movement

Posted 1 year ago on May 19, 2013, 1:04 p.m. EST by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN
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The problem with protest is there are no solutions offered. Simply a statement of grievances. If we want real change we need a movement to replace the current system of corruption and usurpation. This can not be accomplished within the confines of the current political duopoly. It requires a new political movement.

Whether or not this political movement institutes change through existing social structures or creates all new social structures is not my concern. My concern is establishing a viable alternative to the current system of political parties. No political organization presents a long term plan of action to the people. Everything is based on elections cycles and telling lies and that is not how you govern or solve crisis. Even the alternative parties simply offer you what you want to hear.

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[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5854) 1 year ago

Transcend the political parties with trans-partisan cooperative voting.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/free-democracy-amendment/

Otherwise, organize people around issues that can be addressed through initiatives and through grassroots collaboration.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

transcend the established parties with a new political party.

[-] 2 points by LeoYo (5854) 1 year ago

A new political party doesn't transcend anything. A new political party just adds one more party to the competition that's already out there while standing little to no chance against the established government protected duopoly. Trans-partisan cooperative voting supports the agreed upon issues of importance to members of all political parties no matter which political party members are elected. Initiatives and grassroots cooperative institutions also transcend the political parties by empowering people to progress independent of politics.

[-] 0 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

this is america here we use political parties and always have. you can have all the direct action you want but with out platform representation you will have ZERO success. i am currently crafting platform points and will revel them shortly. by the way i am not too concerned with the 95 million registered voters i am far more concerned with the 200 million plus other people and rallying them. if you still self identify as a democrat or a republican at this time there is kind of no hope for you.

[-] 2 points by LeoYo (5854) 1 year ago

If not having a platform representation meant ZERO success, the initiative process wouldn't exist and neither Washington nor Colorado would have legalized marijuana.

There are more non-voters than there are voters and there are more independent voters than there are duopoly voters yet no third party has ever captured the significant attention of these eligible voting majorities. Trans-partisan cooperative voting is capable of attracting such majorities since the focus is upon agreeable issues, not anyone's particular party platform. With trans-partisan cooperative voting, the people collectively exercise their democratic power to determine the eligibility of any partisan candidate to see their collective will carried out. No matter what you may identify as, no third party is ever going to succeed without taking advantage of trans-partisan issues.

[-] 0 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

trans partisan, listen to yourself. you have lost it. the conservatives are a dead end, the liberals are not much better. wake up i want nothing to do with those to parties at all.

[-] 2 points by LeoYo (5854) 1 year ago

Wake up and realize that what you want is irrelevant to what the voting majority has consistently shown that it wants. If you're unwilling to transcend the partisan divisions that keep the corporate powers in place, focusing upon some new platform you think will wow everyone instead of dealing directly with the issues that are of importance to all, you will remain politically isolated and as politically ineffective as all the other third parties.

[-] 0 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

only 15 % of the population supported the revolutionary war. fuck the majority they do what they are told. i am well aware of the multitude of issues that remain unresolved that we face. now is the time for frankness, bluntness, hard truth, whatever you want to call it. it's time the american people grow the fuck up. can't live like yesterday in the land of tomorrow. people essentially still have the same mindset from the 80's and it is fucking laughable. not once have i ever seen anyone stand up for a thing in my life a true stand and i am 34 years old. we live in the land of mediocrity where just good enough is golden and yesterday the bills came due but it matters not so long as i can sit for the last 6 hours of the day in front of the tube.

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5854) 1 year ago

In this, we agree.

[-] 1 points by gsw (2687) 1 year ago

Should be easy to get a platform together. Sounds very worthwhile.

State legislator running fee is about 450, here. Other places different filing fees. Fundraising would be the icky part. IMO.

Here's example from Texas. Of filing fees. http://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/candidates/guide/demorrep.shtml

http://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/candidates/guide/demorrep.shtml

http://www.localelectors.org/

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

The Greens have started their own shadow government. Its usually very militant groups that create shadow governments, which is why Im suprised-and impressed- that the Greens did this.

[-] 2 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

the green party and libertarian party may have viable positions but the present near no solutions.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

They aren't allowed to attend the prez debate. They get no mention in the corp news. I'm thinking it's time for a complete "no confidence" vote, and a recall on every sitting senator and congressman.

With less than ten percent approval rating on congress, they really don't have a leg to stand on. Simply rock up to the big house, and refuse them entry, on the grounds that they no longer represent the interests of Americans.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

while this is true i followed both platforms closely and found them both lacking. on one side you have the libertarians who want to deregulate the entire economy on the other side you have the greens trying to do anything to preserve capitalism. what a joke. how about a political party that acknowledges the reality of the situation.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Yes, agreed. Must address this class war issue, before the possibility of any party getting a fair deal election-wise.