Forum Post: OCCUPY This Forum - 0r Delete It
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 20, 2011, 4:41 p.m. EST by dankpoet
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This has become counter productive. The trolls have run amok. I don't mean the Ron Paulites or the Socialists. I don't even mean the people who cut and paste the same links over and over pushing their own agenda. I mean simply those that seek to discredit the movement by claiming to be a part of it while advocating violence and a radical forceful redistribution of wealth. Even the anti-trolls have become trolls themselves, overwhelmed by the propaganda machine they have given up on reasoned response and can no longer differentiate some one with a different ideological perspective (however trite) from those intentionally spreading misinformation. 99% of the sane posters have left. So what are we going to do? Occupy this Forum or Delete it?
Quote: Occupy this Forum or Delete it?
This is an aside to your question. I like your approach to offer alternative and let people decide. I think Occupy should take your approach. Don't make demands but offer alternatives:
Eg. Offer Big Businesses a choice: Do you want More regulations and Higher Taxes or Death Penalties for CEO and Board Director for crimes.
Do you want Term Limits, or Do you want the People to Choose Committee Memberships?
;) Do you wand to Amend the Constitution for government only financing of elections or should we let society split apart?
I'm Occupying it, and calling out all trolls as I see them, and keeping my sense of humor.
Moderators can delete inane postings. Even the most radical forums have mods.
Yes but they aren't. To everyone's detriment I believe.
have the moderators met Mcc?
At least its in our alphabet.
MCC makes our side look bad, yes.
No actually mcc is one of the only people who makes any sense in the forum.
I don't mind so much. But I've never actually read his post despite seeing it a lot.
As a business man in the financial sector I appreciate your positions, however your missing the big picture, your attacking the body of the snake....Occupy Congress and you will see results!! CUT OFF THE HEAD OF THE SNAKE!!! Congressional Reform Act of 2011
No Tenure / No Pension. A Congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office.
Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security. All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people. It may not be used for any other purpose.
Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.
Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.
Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.
Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.
All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void effective 1/1/12. The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen. Congressmen made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.
As a business man in the financial sector I appreciate your positions, however your missing the big picture, your attacking the body of the snake....Occupy Congress and you will see results!! CUT OFF THE HEAD OF THE SNAKE!!! Congressional Reform Act of 2011
No Tenure / No Pension. A Congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office.
Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security. All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people. It may not be used for any other purpose.
Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.
Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.
Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.
Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.
All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void effective 1/1/12. The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen. Congressmen made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.
I thought we were 99% and we will fight. Shutting down means we lost.
http://www.occupyr.com/ forums at occupy resistance network
occupy the forum should stay alive and well oiled to run smooth with the sharing of ideas but sometimes i see good comments getting way less replies then foolish post even then there are some good replies there too...i take the sweet with the bitter only if it's mostly sweet.
If you are only concerned with hearing what you expect, you should moderate the entries, and only accept what you are looking for. If not, you have to accept the full spectrum of opinion, no matter how ridiculous it gets. It is that simple. But, remember one thing, that full spectrum is what we are up against in this country, making this an extremely uphill fight.
keep us focused...THX
You got it.
Hopefully no one is labeled a troll or a terrorist, that just has a different view.
I'd just delete it. But then the message will never be heard.
Thank you.
answer. i am going to come knock around the trolls because i can until i am sure thats pointless.
it would help to have organization. it would help to have sub forums. sub forums have been promised here and not delivered. i would guess deleting it is probably a very bad idea but locking it is probably the best idea to be fair to the rest of the movement; send everyone away from this unmoderated trashed up forum...
if Jart can't put in sub forusm she should lock the forum so others can implement better forum architectures and fairly attract the chat bandwidth.
similar with wiki. i have warned about this for 3 weeks and given the solution the wiki and 1001 sub forums and seem to have been entirely ignored aside from being placated. nobody listen.
humanz are stupid like that its like trying to talk sense with an anthill. on that note. lets get to the next crucial item. please excuse the heavy fire.
put down the ron and back away slowly or i kill your memes.
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/
stop listening to exxon oil and republicanism and use your brain. i LOVE ron paul hes my one and only NOT EVIL republican i know of. the road to hell can still be paved with his good intentions. STFU WTF? This is about getting rid of ALL the republicans and ALL of the Democrats. If you are not on board for REAL change and want to land us a half mad science denying oligarch just crazy enough for them to control and just stupid enough to try republican economics- you are nuts.
You know i am all for ending the fed. HOW we do that is more important than merely doing it because the civilization is one organism and its econmic systems are organs. Play doctor like a mad fucking half genius insane brilliant wingnut republican... and your patient would expect to do as well as a 5 year old trying to do real live surgery after being smoked up on crack. You are not and he is not a system doctor. I am. And all you or he has for us is mor eentropy; not hard solutions. Now STFU and start working for a new party inside of OWS. I want YOU to tell me what office YOU are going to run for. GROK?
And let me be loud and clear over here. i love ron. but if you ron paulians don;t get the clue quick i will be forced to END him from THIS space. Don't call the lightning. just take Ron back out of OWS and i won't cook his campaign alive with fire from the sky. GROK?
I got no beef with ron. i love ron. STFU and get ron out of my court or i will take his platform by line item and SORT the genius from the WINGNUT. LIVE.
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delete it.
than delete yourselves
Thank you I appreciate the on topic and exemplary bump.
I was pretty shocked when OWS did not even say diddles in solidarity for another, Libya had a great victory today. The whole world spoke about it. OWS voice was noticeably missing.
And kudos to libya for shaking off a tyrant.
All I have witnessed so far and I am a webmaster of one of the Occupations, is a lot of back-patting and limelight scramble. Solidarity is strongly missing in the movement. Oh well. The OWS was good for a short run. I'll head back to the parts of the world that are really serious about getting rid of corruption and greed from their ranks. If I was Libyain, I would thank you Dank. :)
We have been mislead by Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama, and nearly every other public figure. Economic growth, job creation, and actual prosperity are not necessarily a package deal. In fact, the first two are horribly misunderstood. Economic growth/loss (GDP) is little more than a measure of wealth changing hands. A transfer of currency from one party to another. The rate at which it is traded. This was up until mid ’07′ however, has never been a measure of actual prosperity. Neither has job creation. The phrase itself has been thrown around so often, and in such a generic politicali manner, that it has come to mean nothing. Of course, we need to have certain things done for the benefit of society as a whole. We need farmers, builders, manufacturers, transporters, teachers, cops, firefighters, soldiers, mechanics, sanitationi workers, doctors, managers, and visionaries. Their work is vital. I’ll even go out on a limb and say that we need politicians, attorneys, bankers, investors, and entertainers. In order to keep them productive, we must provide reasonable incentives. We need to compensate each by a fair measure for their actual contributions to society. We need to provide a reasonable scale of income opportunity for every independent adult, every provider, and share responsibility for those who have a legitimate need for aid. In order to achieve and sustain this, we must also address the cost of living and the distribution of wealth. Here, we have failed miserably. The majority have already lost their home equity, their financial security, and their relative buying power. The middle class have actually lost much of their ability to make ends meet, re-pay loans, pay taxes, and support their own economy. The lower class have gone nearly bankrupt. In all, its a multi-trillion dollar loss taken over about 30 years. Millions are under the impression that we need to create more jobs simply to provide more opportunity. as if that would solve the problem. It won’t. Not by a longshot. Jobs don’t necessarily create wealth. In fact, they almost never do. For the mostpart, they only transfer wealth from one party to another. A gain here. A loss there. Appreciation in one community. Depreciation in another. In order to create net wealth, you must harvest a new resource or make more efficient use of one. Either way you must have a reliable and ethical system in place to distribute that newly created wealth in order to benefit society as a whole and prevent a lagging downside. The ‘free market’ just doesn’t cut it. Its a farce. Many of the jobs created are nothing but filler. The promises empty. Sure, unemployment reached an all-time low under Bush. GDP reached an all-time high. But those are both shallow and misleading indicators. In order to gauge actual prosperity, you must consider the economy in human terms. As of ’08′ the average American was working more hours than the previous generation with far less equity to show for it. Consumer debt, forclosure, and bankruptcy were also at all-time highs. As of ’08′, every major American city was riddled with depressed communities, neglected neighborhoods, failing infrastructures, lost revenue, and gang activity. All of this has coincided with massive economic growth and job creation. Meanwhile, the rich have been getting richer and richer and richer even after taxes. Our nation’s wealth has been concentrated. Again, this represents a multi-trillion dollar loss taken by the majority. Its an absolute deal breaker. Bottom line: With or without economic growth or job creation, you must have a system in place to prevent too much wealth from being concentrated at the top. Unfortunately, we don’t. Our economy has become nothing but a giant game of Monopoly. The richest one percent already own nearly 1/2 of all United States wealth. More than double their share before Reagan took office. Still, they want more. They absolutely will not stop. Now, our society as a whole is in serious jeapordy. Greed kills.
by the way, your socialist rants are a throw back to 1917 Russia. How'd that work out? (idiot)
Socialism is a system in which the people as a whole (not individuals) own all property. I'm not a socialist. I'm a modest capitalist.
If there is a name on the deed, it's not socialism.
If you want your criticism to have an ounce of credibility, you need to learn the basics.
If there is a name on the deed, it's not socialism.
you say this: "We need to compensate each by a fair measure for their actual contributions to society. We need to provide a reasonable scale of income opportunity for every independent adult, every provider, and share responsibility for those who have a legitimate need for aid." What you describe is social engineering, not a free market. and who is to decide what is "a reasonable scale of income" and "a fair measure for contributions to society"? dude this is pure socialism crap. What do ball players contribute to society and what should they be paid? What you want is one big giant labor union that defines pay scales for all of society. yea that will work fine im sure.
Next.
you are the cut and paste king.
Thanks, again. But not so much.