Forum Post: Occupy Psychopaths 1 (OWS vs. the Pathology of the 1%)
Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 24, 2011, 5:37 p.m. EST by pathwhisperer
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Saw this on youtube, by a MrPinkWhiteBlack, over 14,000 views.
"An Occupy Wall Street Activist explains why he thinks its very important to spread knowledge about psychopaths and psychopathy. Find out about the important connection between psychopaths and the ruling 1%:
"So basically the reason I come down here every so often is that I’m trying to spread information about psychopathy. I think it has an over-arching impact on why people are down here camping out, and why the financial industry and the government really doesn’t care about the people anymore. These people are about 1-5% of the population and they have no concept of empathy, remorse, guilt, conscience – they’re just not biologically capable of it. They’ve shown this in fMRI studies and there’s been a lot of actual hard science that proves the point that their totally different from normal humans.""
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx1i_Fzrd3o Transcript: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/239042-Occupy-Psychopaths-1-OWS-vs-the-Pathology-of-the-1-
You can SEE it on this forum! Those against OWS are very self-centered, misogynistic, animal-haters. They offer no solutions, just, "I paid for my college stacking hay." No regard for others, racism, inequality, interest in current events.
The pathological extreme of conservatism/Republican Party -- a psychopathic selfishness.
Another lame general statement. I don't think I ever posted racist remarks here while posting my criticism of Occupy. If so, please point to the comment in question.
It is not all about YOU!
Your statement was general in nature and attacked all who oppose OWS in whole or in part. I oppose the movement in part, so, yes, i was one of the people you were talking about.
I see points mentioned on this forum that I agree with, whole-heartedly. I want to see them incorporated into a solution to make government smaller but better. I do not believe that the rich deserve a boost. But I do not believe that you should stick it to the rich. Flat tax across the board and tossing out the tax code is a big, big, start.
Please, I beg you, get off the goddamn band wagon of taxing the rich and putting them in their place. If you do not get off that mantra, you will sink into utter irrelevancy! Whatever you feel about the 1%, they have to be part of the solution too.
Another blanket statement condemning anyone who doesn't agree with your views. Good work. Hitler would be proud. The depths of your ignorance can not be understated
Not simply condemning anyone who doesn't agree with their views, but using their very own traits as the condemning points. If I have NO REGARD for others, I can easily identify those who exhibit that same trait, it is called mirror image.
If I DO HAVE regard for others, I can easily identify that trait lacking in some other person. because their mirror image is reversed from mine.
B.S. presented as science with no link to the underlying study. In contrast, I will make a counter statement and back it up with a link to the research work...
fMRI proves that the rich tend to be more generous to the poor and that the poor tend to resist giving to the rich. See http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v463/n7284/full/nature08785.html .
This is why we are here this is why you are needed.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/inside-job-documentary/
Share, circulate, educate, inspire.
that's right
It's more subtle than that. Psychopaths are clever chameleons, hiding their true nature. Technically they are not insane but true to their own nature.
Don't forget the sociopaths as well.
I'm not Mr. PinkWhiteBlack. I wish he posted here himself.
I believe we are misdiagnosing the sociopathy/psychopathy of the "1%" as steeming from some innate biology rather than modern socioeconomic structures.
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The idea is to change the system that encourages, rewards and allows small groups of people to "game" the system. It's a systemic issue NOT due to "bad" people. Just like generational poverty creates unhealthy social behaviors so do generational ruling classes.
My disagreement with you is one of degree only. But I do say that it is the sociopaths who lead the way in gaming the system. And they specifically have to be taken into account when designing a new socioeconomic structure.
"Psychopathy (/saɪˈkɒpəθi/[1][2]) is a personality disorder characterized primarily by a lack of empathy and remorse, shallow emotions, egocentricity, and deceptiveness. Psychopaths are highly prone to antisocial behavior and abusive treatment of others, and are very disproportionately responsible for violent crime when in a violent emotional state or situation. Though lacking empathy and emotional depth, they often manage to pass themselves off as average individuals by feigning emotions and lying about their past.
Until the 1980s, the term formally referred to a personality disorder characterized by the inability to form human attachment[3] and an abnormal lack of empathy, masked by an ability to appear outwardly normal. The publication of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders third edition (DSM-III) changed the name of this mental disorder to antisocial personality disorder, and also broadened the diagnostic criteria considerably by shifting from clinical inferences to behavioral diagnostic criteria.[4] However, the DSM-V working party is recommending a revision of antisocial personality disorder (ASPD) to include "Antisocial/Psychopathic Type", with the diagnostic criteria having a greater emphasis on character than on behavior.[5] The ICD-10 diagnostic criteria of the World Health Organization also lacks psychopathy as a personality disorder. The 1992 manual included dissocial (antisocial) personality disorder, which encompasses amoral, antisocial, asocial, psychopathic, and sociopathic personalities." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy
I sometimes wonder : What is it with this infantile, "don't-you-dare-touch-my-toys" fear of wealth redistribution? The idea is NOT EXACTLY NEW, it is in fact thousands of years old... Jesus - and all the other Great Jewish Prophets before him - constantly upbraided the rich who were too sociopathically selfish and addicted to their silver and gold to share with the poor and the downtrodden.
Some of the 1% are finally beginning to "get it"!!! Even former Canadian Prime Minister and billionaire businessman Paul Martin has recently come out IN FAVOR OF REDISTRIBUTION. For him, it is a matter of COMMON DECENCY:
"An unexpected voice is joining the chorus of support for the Occupy movement — former prime minister Paul Martin.
Martin says protesters have sparked a global debate that may help save the free market system.
“This idea that [the Occupy protestors] don’t have clear goals, I don’t think anybody buys it,” Martin told The Huffington Post, even as city governments across Canada step up their efforts to end the occupation. “These young people have touched a chord that is being discussed in every family across North America and in Europe, as well. I think it’s a very important thing they’ve done.”
Since Occupy Wall Street launched in New York two months ago, spreading like wildfire across the Western world, many public figures have come out in support of the protests against the growing gap between rich and poor. Most, however, have been celebrities, such as Gordon Lightfoot joining his daughter at Occupy Toronto and Anne Hathaway marching in yesterday’s Day of Action in New York.
Martin — who enacted controversial social service cuts during his time as Liberal finance minister from 1994 to 2002 — says he’s gone down to Occupy Montreal and spoken to the protestors personally.
“The fact is that the free market system works, but unless governments and people are constantly on the watch out for rampant inequality, unless they understand the need for redistribution programs, unless they understand the need to invest in education and better health care and a better environment,” Martin said, “then effectively the free market system will fall on its own accord.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/11/18/paul-martin-occupy-wall-street_n_1101886.html?ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false
well there ya go. We now have a science based approach providing foundational support for a specific them that we may target with relentless persecution.
That'll teach'm for gettin' too big fer their britches . . .
Shouldn't extensive psychological profiles of all our leaders be available to the public since we are their employers?
Any real psychopath can feign all the answers you throw at it just by following and giving you societal norms
It seems the best way to address psychopaths in power is to examine the end results of their actions.
The whole point of a CEO is to make money. Well that and take responsibility when something happens. Are you going to bash him for making too much or not enough?
Whether a psychopath makes money or not doesn't concern me, I just want to be sure that psychopathy (or the money possessed by a psychopath) does not lead to further legislation that controls American citizens.
Then what would you monitor that we can't already that would give you that information?
I think that we are here having this conversation is a sign that we are starting to do a better job at identifying companies and government offices that run under psychopathic rule. While there may not be any new "magic bullet", educating people about the situation we are living in will allow for more widespread actions.
The following characteristics of a psychopath, defined by Hervery M. Cleckley in 1941 in the book Mask of Sanity include:
Superficial charm and average intelligence. Absence of delusions and other signs of irrational thinking. Absence of nervousness or neurotic manifestations. Unreliability. Untruthfulness and insincerity. Lack of remorse or shame. Antisocial behavior without apparent compunction. Poor judgement and failure to learn from experience. Pathological egocentricity and incapacity to love. General poverty in major affective reactions. Specific loss of insight. Unresponsiveness in general interpersonal
http://crime.about.com/od/serial/a/psychopaths.htm
Everything up to antisocial but not including describes me. What do you do with this information?
Obviously some of these traits could apply to anyone. It's the traits combined that can possibly help to identify a psychopath (after all this is psychology not a math equation). In this particular list, you notice the traits from antisocial on up the ante in regards to how dangerous/damaging a human can be. What do I do with the information? I look to see how it causes one to act upon the world. I use those end results to change how I spend my money, decide who to vote for and what change to fight for.
I thought we were talking about on the corporate level with the heads of the corporations.
Every dollar I move makes a difference (no matter how minuscule) and is my way of letting a corporation run under a psychopathic CEO (or one who mimics such behavior) my opinion. Changing spending habits, researching, speaking out and working for legal changes is how I choose to affect the corporate world.
How about brain scans? Adrian Raine: “Criminal Minds — Will testing the brain, even before birth, separate the good seeds from the bad?” http://pathwhisperer.wordpress.com/2011/11/29/criminal-minds-will-testing-the-brain-even-before-birth-separate-the-good-seeds-from-the-bad/
While I don't doubt they offer possibly valuable information, they aren't standard practice for employers. On the other hand, psychological profiling is becoming commonplace for many employers today.
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It's not a bad paying gig for sure:
http://psychology.about.com/od/psychologycareerprofiles/p/iopsychcareers.htm
Though I agree with you a top SAP can fool such tests, but thorough testing might at least weed out some of them. As for the rest, it's as it is now for us to judge by the results of their known actions.
If there were widespread knowledge of psychopaths it is more likely that their actions would be recognized. As of now, this is a big problem, particularly with not directly victimized third parties -- e.g., the relatives of spouses of psychopaths often not believing their own relative.
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