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Forum Post: Occupy Protesters, Tea Party, and NDAA Opponents: Listen Up

Posted 2 years ago on Dec. 19, 2011, 12:18 p.m. EST by supermario728 (5)
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http://www.businessinsider.com/occupy-protesters-tea-party-and-ndaa-opponents-listen-up-2011-12

The first demand is the most important I would say. We need to stop emulating our corrupt system by being divisive and unite with our fellow Americans to make real change. Please spread this article as it can hopefully unify us and our demands. Thoughts and feelings please...

PS: Forgiveness if this has been posted already! I didn't lurk the forums for too long.

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[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 2 years ago

Yes, I have been posting a lot on the NDAA bill (soon to be law). I have tried to spur on OWS and the American people, even the Tea Party patriots. This is something that goes way past party lines. This is an absolute assault on our Bill of Rights. We ALL should be out there on Capitol Hill protesting.

Thanks for the article, I will check it out shortly.

[-] 1 points by AFarewellToKings (1486) 2 years ago

National General Assembly July 4th Philadelphia

http://www.the99declaration.org/

[-] 1 points by bugbuster (103) from Yoncalla, OR 2 years ago

This article is the work of a provocateur. Paragraph 1 gives The Man all he needs to come after the movement with guns blazing.

This is dangerous nonsense that should be ignored and reviled. It is a thinly veiled attack on the progressive movement.

[-] 1 points by supermario728 (5) 2 years ago

The thing is, unless we completely dismantle and restore a new system, we are going to have to work within the current one. I'm all for a complete revamping of the system, but it doesn't seem like this movement is about that.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Tell the TV. Its the only thing the people listen to.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

nope. don't like it. Not at all. What I object to most vehemently is that those who have engaged in fraud will not be punished. There will be no restitution.

No I say. This tarnishes our system of Justice, just as those provisions within the National Defense Authorization Act that are most controversial, have cast doubt upon the ability, and therefore the credibility, of that organization.

No I say.

We will have those lenders who have engaged in robo signing, we will have those lenders who engaged in fraud to secure those ballooning interest payments they knew could not be met - we will have them in court, before our system of justice, and they will pay the debt they owe society for the hardship and the suffering they have caused - world wide.

THEY WILL PAY.

That falls under item two.

Under item four - there is no plan to end the bushite tax cuts. There is no plan to restructure our tax system, or make it more competitive with say - Ireland. Therefore there is no plan to reduce the deficit without stealing granmas social security. She paid into it. We are not going to privatize it.

This clown talks a great talk - but he is in the financial industry, and taking their side.

No I say.

I say NO.

[-] 1 points by supermario728 (5) 2 years ago

I don't think a vengeful, insulting attitude is going to get anyone anywhere in this situation sir or madam. Neither is a closed mind and unwillingness to compromise as you have very brazenly displayed. If nothing at all, you should at least agree on point five and the authors issues with the NDAA 2012 and SOPA. These two measures have the ability to effectively destroy this community that we are using to communicate. None of these people are going to jail, none of them are going to pay as you say. If anything, the people who are truly pulling the strings in these situations have absolutely no visibility to the public eye anyway. How are you going to make these people pay if you can't even see them? Besides the fact, what we don't need right now is hate, we need understanding. I am a middle lower class American and although I detest what these people have done to our country, if we venture forth with hate in our hearts we are no better then them and will end up making similar mistakes with our closed minds.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

Compromised? WTF

Go compromise your DUI . . .

and yes they are going to jail, there is a DA in Boston working on charges for those in her area - and I've heard of other DAs in other areas as well.

WITHOUT JUSTICE

THERE WILL BE NO PEACE

[-] 1 points by supermario728 (5) 2 years ago

I see there is too much anger in your heart. I wish you a good day. :)

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

YEah I'm angry. I bet I'm not alone either.

I mean, just think of the nerve these people have!

  • they spend millions lobbying for deregulation

  • they claim regulation was the cause of the mortgage meltdown

  • When we can see it was fraud that took place

    • they knew when home owners would not be able to meet their ballooning interest rates

    • they paid everyone: the borrower, with as much as 99% of the home value as loan principle; the loan writer with bonuses per loan

    • falsified documentation regarding borrowers income

    • then sold what they knew was bad debt on the open market - as triple a grade investments

and now they want to be treated as if they were special?

So, what? IF I put on a suit and tie, come up with a scheme to get rich and it works so well I get hundreds of others involved - and it collapses the entire economy -

  • I don't go to jail?

  • I get to keep the money?

I mean, because if that is the case, I really don't see any reason why a home owner facing foreclosure today should not go out and rob a bank to pay the loan.

Ultimately, that is what is proposed. Chaos. Class warfare.

It's bad enough that there is such wide discrepancy in terms of legal services available on the basis of income - or what you can afford. This in itself brings our system of Justice into disrepute, supporting the - not perception but the fact - that wealth provides for better legal outcomes.

This, this proposed termination of some supposed witch hunt - is to establish in fact, that a suit and tie is insurance against legal redress.

If the law is not applied to everyone, in a fair and equitable manner, then it is utterly certain the day will come when it ceases to apply to anyone, and that benefits no one.

Those who have engaged in fraud, must be held accountable.