Forum Post: 'Occupy' protesters attempt disruption of Financial District and subway system, but only about 1,000 show up...
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 17, 2011, 11:25 a.m. EST by progmarx
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Now displaced but still determined, The "Occupy Wall St." movement started anew Thursday with protestors -- far less than the anticipated 10,000 -- marching on the heart of Manhattan's Financial District, two days after cops rousted the ragtag bunch from their home encampment in nearby Zuccotti Park. Protest organizers had called for 10,000 people to amass in lower Manhattan, but the crowd appeared to only number roughly 1,000.
Workers - GO HOME SICK - Support the movement...
Don't make me come up there.
I am a sixty year old man who has lost his business due to the banking crises. I lost my home in the largest bank created LAND GRAB in American history. I feel I have nothing to lose. Now it is all about my children and yours, whether you are concerned or not. It is time for PATRIOTS, not politicians, PEOPLE, not corporations to change the system. We have the constitutional right to do this and do not let anyone stop it.
The spam mongrels of FOX news. Trust in them to be against OWS and SLANT everything. FOX news is not even a news outlet, they are a politically controlled propaganda machine.
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Are you saying that a lot more than 1,000 people showed up?
They are closing bridges and subways being closed to prevent more from coming. Do not believe the police are shutting down transportation access to protect the subways. They are doing it to stop more protesters from coming in.
But they will come, nothing can stop this...
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I don't see any reports of the subways or bridges being closed (by police or protestors).
Turn on CNN and turn off FOX.
Dummy, I'm at work (you should try it) and scanning the internet. No reports of your assertion, including on CNN.com.
lol, did I call you a name. Do not resort to that.
I am a computer programmer and web developer that works sixteen hours a day. It just so happens my job is the Internet and I spend all day discussing complicated procedure to morons. There were reports (on CNN) all morning that police were shutting down subway access and bridge access all over New York.
I am sorry you were not speaking from knowledge. I guess since you were at work you could not possibly have seen any reports as your first comment suggested...
7:06 pm: Police scanners estimate the crowd at 32,650 people. Reported by @jstetser
oh, and progmarx, how much does the GOP pay you to post? Can I get a job like yours without having to bend over for my 1% boss the way you do?
Most bosses don't make much more than the employees they oversee. Some make less; talk to a small business owner who has to pay his employees minimum wage but makes less than that himself. They're out there.
I seriously doubt it, pal. I mean, there were times when my employees made more one week than I did, but it was my business, and I was looking at the bigger picture.
Anyway, what's your point? Even if it's true, no boss who's in that condition is part of the 1% and therefore not a target of our protest.
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You just made my point. There are small business owners making less than their employees because of minimum wage laws and government regulations. The fact that it was your business and you were looking at the "big picture" doesn't change the fact that YOU were the one who took the risk, YOU were the one who bore the weight of responsibility for the business, YOU were the one with the idea, and YOU were probably the one who worked the hardest. And, at least for some weeks, you were also the one who made the least, probably due at least in large part to government regulations. Now apply that to someone who ALWAYS makes less than their employees - how do you think they feel about minimum wage, etc.?
And dare I say it, by and large the so-called "1%" of bosses, CEO's, etc., deserve every penny they make. They have responsibilities most people can't even imagine, including the prospect of going to prison if one of their underlings does something sufficiently illegal without their knowledge or consent. And don't forget, the "1%" already pay over a third of the total tax collected in this country, besides employing a good portion of the "99%" and usually providing a pretty good standard of living. If you don't believe me, since when has the middle class had enough discretionary income to pay for broadband Internet, cable TV, a smartphone with data plan, plus movie rentals and gadget purchases? And have you looked at a highschool or college parking lot lately? There's probably not a clunker anywhere in it.
Financially speaking, the "rich" have been nothing but a benefit to this country and its citizens. Instead of protesting, how about organizing a thank-you march?
can you say "specious"? My comment was that any boss like me isn't part of the 1%, so any observation about them is not applicable to our struggle. Besides,I never said that there are any small business owners who are making less than their employees over the long term. And you have NO proof whatsoever that there are ANY business owners whose net worth is less than that of their employees, or who is ALWAYS making less than they.
And you are welcome to your opinion about the value of the 1% bosses. That's your right. We disagree. But you're overstating your case, and you're overstating their risk.
My/our gripe with the 1% is not their wealth, but their control of the machinery of government. Or don't you agree with the "one person/one vote" principle. Are you saying that wealth has the right to purchase political influence?
Very uncivil dialogue there OldLeftie.
concededly so, progmarx, but likely more accurate than the Foxnews estimate you so civilly posted. I also note that you fail to confront my contention that you in fact work for the GOP.
Your "contention" is rather laughable. You don't have to be employed by the GOP to be a concerned citizen.
lol. Again, comment with no denial. You must be employed by the GOP, perhaps though only in an unpaid position (local volunteer?) because you talk down to opponents the way a politician would, and obviously think yourself smarter than I. So, either 1) you are in fact associated with the GOP and are using obfuscatory syntax in an attempt to deflect the inquiry, or 2) you are simply a right wing narcissist who is so in love with his own prose that you cannot bring yourself to say "no, OldLeftie, I am not in any way associated with the GOP, either as worker or even party member".
I expect your next comment will be something along the lines of "Why should I do so, when it's clear that you would not believe my denial if I asserted it?"
Or words to that effect....
No denigration intended. Its no more simple as I like many other folks on this Forum are concerned citizens be they Indies or Conservatives or whatever that strongly disagree with OWS and are doing our best to convince anybody else to disaffect.
and still no denial that you work for the GOP? LOL
Jeez, no I don't. There,you feeling any better?
a bit. Now tell me that you aren't a registered Republican and active in your local party organization.
I'm a proud Conservative and vote only for Conservative Republicans. Now you can tell me that your a proud Progressive Liberal Democrat.
I can't because I'm not. I've never been a liberal. They're too far to the right for me.
All over the country thousands are moving into cities. Police are closing bridges and subways to prevent them from getting there.
This will not work, expect millions in the days to come.
Millions? At the rate this thing is collapsing, expect dozens by this afternoon.
Wow, sure looks like dozens crossing Brooklyn Bridge. You are watching a movement in it's infancy. By spring millions will be organized and will march on Washington.
As in all revolutions, like a sore, it must fester and grow till it finally pops. Wake up, you are witnessing the beginning of The Second American Revolution.
Your math is also delusional.
Faux news or some such thing! This is not what I saw on LiveStream.
the focus has got to change. Wall Street should no longer be the main objective. The entire Occupy movement should come down to DC and camp in Anacostia Park, site of the original Bonus March Encampment in 1932. Do what the Bonus Marchers did. Set up a clean, formal encampment. I'm sure there are enough sponsors who will pay for potties and showers.
Then, every day, all those at the encampment should get up at 6:30 a.m. and march down Maryland Avenue to the Capitol and spend the day visiting their Senators and Representatives. Every day until they get something done, like a nationwide Section 8 subsidy program so that everyone pays 1/3 of their monthly income for housing.
Let's get organized, Fellow Workers!
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http://www.adbusters.org/blogs/adbusters-blog/best-amoung-us.html
Hyperbole propaganda which reminds me of Nazi recruitment.
Mein Kampf contains the blueprint of later Nazi propaganda efforts. Assessing his audience, Hitler writes in chapter VI:
"Propaganda must always address itself to the broad masses of the people. (...) All propaganda must be presented in a popular form and must fix its intellectual level so as not to be above the heads of the least intellectual of those to whom it is directed. (...) The art of propaganda consists precisely in being able to awaken the imagination of the public through an appeal to their feelings, in finding the appropriate psychological form that will arrest the attention and appeal to the hearts of the national masses. The broad masses of the people are not made up of diplomats or professors of public jurisprudence nor simply of persons who are able to form reasoned judgment in given cases, but a vacillating crowd of human children who are constantly wavering between one idea and another. (...) The great majority of a nation is so feminine in its character and outlook that its thought and conduct are ruled by sentiment rather than by sober reasoning. This sentiment, however, is not complex, but simple and consistent. It is not highly differentiated, but has only the negative and positive notions of love and hatred, right and wrong, truth and falsehood."
Major protests going on in Greece and Italy too.
The ideas of the movement are great and though respected for their attempts to change things, the reality is, the masses are not yet uncomfortable in their ability to survive.
The bubble has to burst before people will react but by then it will be too late to do anything about it. Very few people are visionaries that can compile the facts and see where this trend is going in the future.
At least the protestors can say they honestly did try while the rest that didn't do anything will regret it.
Fun story: the NYPD now reports over 30,000 protesters.
OH, but they are the 99%!! LOL. Occutards keep trying to convince themselves how IMPORTANT they are. Now that everybody realizes what a joke this "movement" is, the violence will increase.... just like little babies...
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My brave protesters!! I have marched with you, defended, and supported you... but I can no longer defend or agree with your tactic of disrupting the lives of the 99%!!!! You are becoming a nuisance and have lost the support of many. Why, oh why, have you decided to disrupt subway service?? Besides Bloomberg, no 1 percenters take the subway!!! Please reconfigure your strategies, start making specific demands (maybe demand that the CEO's that robbed America be jailed), but please don't make the mundane commute of the 99% more challenging!!!
The police disrupted and shut down subways and bridges in their attempt to stop more protesters from getting in. Do not believe the propaganda..
And for God's sake turn off FOX news....
Yea.......sad........your doin it wrong
Not quite the mass revolution anticipated.
My guess is you are not watching national news, these few thousand are replicated all over the nation.
By this spring millions will march on Washington. This is a grass roots movement, not an organized republican/conservative right-wing political group as is The Tea Party.
Actually you have been lied to. OWS is not a grass roots movement. This is a Astro-Turf pseudo movement contrived and organized by Adbusters,Soros and many other Leftist groups. It is supported by Nazis,Commuists,Socialists, Anarchists,and many other Anti-American interests.
These are facts not conjecture.
This is not a political movement, it is a movement of the people and for the people.
Those Patriots flooding cities all over this country come from all political and ethnic backgrounds. They believe in what made this country great, and it it's time of need have and will continue to react, even if you choose not:
When others oppose this movement, show them this...
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." . "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
This is a Patriotic movement, not political...
Yes. Spontanous concern for a better world for all, but by the rules, not by wrecking the rules. For over a century, the creeps who become the replacements for the men -- perhaps some men get elected, is the idea, but by the corruption of kickback, payoff, payback, perks and points, creepy sellouts replace honest law. This movement is a natural expression long waiting a chance to appear. This is spontanous intelligence even when mis-directed by "leaders".
The problems and conflicts are caused by insurgents. There are those within that are determined for this to fail. They are trying to sabotage The People's movement, but they wont. This is bigger than that.
There is not a person in this country that does not realize America is in trouble, on so many levels. Complacency with give way to action, this is only the beginning.
'Areal'... you really should post this Reply on a separate Topic, i hate seeing such an articulate and inspired piece of writing buried in a topic like this ...
Marlow
The 99%: Official list of Occupy Wall Street’s supporters, sponsors and sympathizers
Communist Party USA Sources: Communist Party USA, OWS speech, The Daily Caller
American Nazi Party Sources: Media Matters, American Nazi Party, White Honor, Sunshine State News
Ayatollah Khamenei, Supreme Leader of Iran Sources: The Guardian, Tehran Times, CBS News
Barack Obama Sources: ABC News, CBS News, ForexTV, NBC New York
The government of North Korea Sources: Korean Central News Agency (North Korean state-controlled news outlet), The Marxist-Leninist, Wall Street Journal, Times of India
Louis Farrakhan, Nation of Islam Sources: video statement (starting at 8:28), Black in America, Weasel Zippers, Philadelphia Weekly
Revolutionary Communist Party Sources: Revolutionary Communist Party, Revolution newspaper, in-person appearance
David Duke Sources: Talking Points Memo, video statement, davidduke.com
Joe Biden Sources: Talking Points Memo, video statement, Mother Jones
Hugo Chavez Sources: Mother Jones, Reuters, Examiner.com
Revolutionary Guards of Iran Sources: Associated Press, FARS News Agency, UPI
Black Panthers (original) Sources: in-person appearance, Occupy Oakland, Oakland Tribune
Socialist Party USA Sources: Socialist Party USA, IndyMedia, The Daily Caller
US Border Guard Sources: White Reference, www.usborderguard.com, Gateway Pundit, Just Another Day blog
Industrial Workers of the World Sources: IWW web site, iww.org, in-person appearances
CAIR Sources: in-person appearance, Washington Post, CAIR, CAIR New York
Nancy Pelosi Sources: Talking Points Memo, video statement, ABC News, The Weekly Standard
Communist Party of China Sources: People’s Daily (Communist Party organ), Reuters, chinataiwan.org, The Telegraph
Hezbollah Sources: almoqawama.org, almoqawama.org (2), almoqawama.org (3), wikipedia
9/11Truth.org Sources: 911truth.org (1), 911truth.org (2), 911truth.org (3)
International Bolshevik Tendency Sources: bolshevik.org, Wire Magazine
Anonymous Sources: Adbusters, The Guardian, video statement
White Revolution Source: whiterevolution.com
International Socialist Organization Sources: Socialist Worker, socialistworker.org, in-person appearance
PressTV (Iranian government outlet) Sources: PressTV, wikipedia
Marxist Student Union Sources: Marxist Student Union, Big Government, marxiststudentunion.blogspot.com
Freedom Road Socialist Organization Sources: FightBack News, fightbacknews.org
Party for Socialism and Liberation
Spoken like a true spammer... If you must spread your unverifiable lies, show the proof...
The police are shutting down access so more protesters can not get in...
This is a movement of the people, for the people.
Those Patriots flooding cities all over this country come from all political and ethnic backgrounds. They believe in what made this country great, and it it's time of need have and will continue to react, even if you choose not:
When others oppose this movement, show them this...
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." . "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
This is not political...
That is not a lie. You are so propagandized and closed minded as to preclude any information not inline with party gospel.
You're what is referred to as a useful Idiot or Drone. Good luck with that.
I am not the least concerned with any political party, they are all corrupt... perhaps that is what you do not understand. This movement is not the Tea Party representing a right-wing conservative faction of extremist. This movement represents all parties, religions, cultures and ethnic groups. This movement represents The People. To even begin to take one side would end the movement. Everyone knows both sides of this career oriented political system is corrupt.
That is why it makes me so mad when people suggest such a foolish thing. To join a political party or even let one speak for this movement would be the first nail in it's coffin.
Don't you realize that all people are suffering at the hands of crooked politicians on both parties, a broken government, to-big-to-fail bank and corporate greed.
You're delusional,that's a real shame.
...and you either cannot read or cannot understand. I guess you still have a job, still have your home... what a shame.
It is the complacency of people like you that is killing America.
Absurd.
Here's the proof..... http://pjmedia.com/zombie/2011/10/31/the-99-official-list-of-ows/ Click the source links below each group to verify.
Interesting how they left out the AFL/CIO, International Brotherhood of Teamsters, Nurses, Doctors, etc.
You've been brainwashed.
Do you and the rest of OWS disavow any of the supporting groups on the list?
Nobody speaks for OWS accept the General Assembly. You are welcome participated in a GA and propose disavowing the support of specific groups.
As for me, there are a number of groups cited that I do not support. I would suggest to you that some of them would like to capitalize or co-opt the movement.
"I would suggest to you that some of them would like to capitalize or co-opt the movement." OWS members think they are a grassroots movement with no leaders. They do not realize they are being manipulated behind the scenes by the llikes of this guy and many others.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKqHL8eJZO8&feature=player_embedded#! OWS is a bunch of useful idiots that will be tossed aside when they are no longer needed. Click quickly before this post vanishes.
Thanks,great link.
Not quite a news organization.