Forum Post: occupy oakland just voted to close down the ports. 204 for, 0 against
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 19, 2011, 12:51 a.m. EST by zootsuit
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december 12. voted at 9:45pm EST http://www.ustream.tv/occupyoakland
-1, closing down the ports. i guess if you succeed in that endeavor you may get some press, but for what, for being disruptive, what's the point of that in and of itself? w/o a clear cause that ppl can identify with (which OWS doesn't have i'm sorry to say (is it hang the wall street pigs this week, or maybe replace congress with direct internet voting)), closing down the ports amounts to an act of vandalism. 204 to 0 just lowers my already low opinion of occupy oakland.
i think this kind of forceful action will not help, it will hurt.
Can't we figure out a way to use ppl power to protest our politician's being on the payroll of corporations? This port shutdown doesn't focus the energy enough in the direction of the real problem. It is disheartening...
Make this vote open on the internet with a free survey service or the like.....That vote of 204 to 0 will change.
Attack the root cause not symptoms of the main problem. Devise a way to get at the politicians. Also Occupy needs to start forming legislation that will stop lobbying, restrict campaign funds (WIP), encourage investigating conflicts of interest, & increase white collar crime/dirty politician punishments. Focus our energy~
The problem isn't the corporations - they are supposed to be greedy everyone should expect that. The problem is that our government has been bought & paid for so it no longer protects the people. Why shut down the port? Why not disrupt the government instead?
YES, I just orgasmed in my pants. This is what I've been trying to convince people on here for a month now. Finally someone else says it. Blaming corporations for being greedy is like blaming water for being wet. Corporations would not exist without greed. It's the core element. The government sets the financial laws and enforces them. It's the government that is allowing the corruption. Great job Fishshitts
Thanks I keep trying to emphasize this to OccupyOaklanders & they return with insults like are you a troll? have even down here? It just makes me participate in OccupySF unfortunately I live in Oakland it would be nice to support where I live.
I spend time in this forum, trying unsuccessfully to convince these people that their time is wasted protesting 'corporate greed', and should instead focus on the government. I'm called a troll, and let's leave it at that. There is no reaching people who don't want to be reached. It's similar to a drug addict. You can't change a drug addicts behavior until THEY choose to change.
Are we supposed to just write off people who really have their hearts in the right place? You are on this forum for a reason & man do I appreciate hearing the same perspective. It makes me feel crazy sometimes. Ive gone to many occupy events so far & there is only a fraction of people focusing the real issue instead it's mostly screaming about police brutality. Which don't get me wrong is terrible, but to make change you have to stop the person giving those orders and those people are politicians.
You're right, I do find myself on here many nights, pissing into the wind, pecking keystrokes of government corruption, getting labeled a troll, when I'm only trying to shift the movement to an effective direction. I appreciate your support fish
I've been down there & tried to speak as well more then I would like to admit. I've been to too many of the raids bc I feel that's when they need ppl the most. I fear that those who would push this movement toward making lasting change may be alienated by these superficial knee jerk protest reactions
and I must be the one feeling alienate bc I specifically didn't go down to the GA tonight even though I could have bc I'm just frustrated with OccupyOaklanders
Politician Brutality -- can we call it that? What say you notaneoliberal?
Yes, fiduciary interest is the phrase
now if the idea of Fiduciary Interest could be the forefront problem addressed - then we are talking getting at the stem of it. everything else is just a symptom: healthcare, education, etc....
I don't know that fiduciary interest is the problem itself or the lack of recognition that it exists. I think the idea that corporations will regulate themselves, or be responsive to protest may be misguided in the light of understanding what it is.
You got it notalib. Fiduciary interest is a correct way to phrase the issue!
Yes,don't give up trying to explain it. Kudos.
Could someone remind me how closing down ports helps blue-collar workers?
I can't help but be ashamed at this movement that I invested much time and effort. Children, afraid to walk past the protesters who scream 'get the kids!' and follow them. Official livestream OWS baiting police, block sidewalks, subways, ports. My friends, you may have once had a grand idea protesting against corruption, but it is too obvious now that you are indeed FOR something. And that is: you are for making a mess. The anarchists now lead you. 'Oh that is only a few people', you say. No, 204 people voted to close the ports? 0 against? That is all of you. Don't keep hurting the 99%! Don't block them from going to jobs and going to school and getting home. Stop listening to anarchy, they are feeding you and you buy in because you want to be angry at something. You do not even know what you are angry at unless they tell you. Do like I did, walk away, and go back to making a difference instead of making a mess.
204 - 0? This sounds like a democratic vote in the proud tradition of Saddam Hussein.
what does 204 to 0 mean?
It means absolute consensus among a couple hundred ppl is very unlikely odds.....1 in 99 maybe? j/k
that chick is a nitwhit
Yes spread the word. The word is watching, the media better start too
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I support the 1% because even though they threaten me and the livelihood of everyone, they are part of everyone. They are human not a machine. And they too deserve a new beginning in a fresh food world. The internal desires of the physical world has served as an excuse to exploit the planet and its citizens, yet there is everything available to allow for major Control of Disease education, to terminate and place world hunger in history lessons (1in4 Americans everyday suffer from starvation or is malnourished [I'm one of those Americans when I have to choose between books, lab fees, class tuition or food for the day, week, weeks). Time to provide and promote good health, vitamins and mineral packed foods, and encourage young aspiring farmers (estimated new farmers needed to feed the U.S. in the next 50 years is 100,000, and you cannot learn farming overnight, it takes years) with safe loans, and school support.
There is enough for everybody, mother earth is plenty, she told me so.
-Human-Being
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http://www.foodrenegade.com/vandana-shiva-on-the-dangers-of-gmos/
I'm hungry for change.
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I support the OWS movement because they are changing the conversation and bringing to surface many problems and solutions that need answers in a timely fashion for the better of all life.
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from the person flooding this page telling people to rejoin the United Kingdom under British rule
well said but directed at the wrong group.. its the corporations and the government that are being disruptive.maybe that's at too large a scale for you to comprehend?
I wish the west coast occupy would figure that out - NY has it down.
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it will get the attention of the world.. that things must change its only a beginning. they wont keep them closed forever.
For attention - is that all? Don't waste the ppl's power to all move behind one cause - it is valuable and often hard to reestablish once it is lost.
It worked for Lec Walesa.
http://www.workers.org/2011/us/longshore_workers_1124/
I guess they must not work for the 1 percent... That's why.
The port owners have no interest in human dignity, thats why
Who really cares? Oakland isn't even safe to walk around in at night. Most of OWS support in that town is gang affiliated.