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Forum Post: Occupy Movement: Next Step Convergence

Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 28, 2011, 7:59 p.m. EST by statusquobuster (8)
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This is must reading for all Occupy participants and supporters:

http://www.nolanchart.com/article9128-occupy-movement-next-step-convergence.html

The US Occupy movement is at a critical point. To succeed it must develop a message of specific solutions to fix our broken system. People are seeing the next step as advocacy for constitutional amendments proposed through an Article V convention.

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[-] 1 points by SRM (2) 12 years ago

I want to clarify that OWS is setting the stage, we are the people and we are occupying our rightful place by protesting on the street. Wall Street has occupied our country for far too long. It is time to take it back and give real people, not corporate occupiers the benefits they have stolen. Corporations defined as humans defined by the Supreme Court must be defeated by an Amendment to the Constitution.

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[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPR3GlpQQJA

I have been active here since the very beginning, and since the very beginning I have been trying to make some core points. These points clearly have not been digested or fully understood by the mob, and so I'm going to try to make a further attempt here again.

  1. Merely protesting in the streets will not bring change. In fact merely protesting in the streets is in fact a means to the end of avoiding the real work of a revolution, which consists of the evolutionary solutions, answers, problem solving process, and new political alignment we create.
  2. This forum is absolutely disorganized. It won't be read by most people and it won't and can't function as a core organizational system.
  3. Back at the very start of this, I petitioned the admin to add multiple sub forums and a wiki. Multiple sub forums were promised but have never arrived. I think that this tells us that the intention actually of this forum is message control and containment. The entire purpose really of this forum has always been to keep us spinning in disorganization. We are hanging out on a forum that expressly exists to actually keep us confused and disorganized.
  4. The real work of a revolution isn't going to happen on forums, it needs to happen in a much more organized fashion using collaborative software.
  5. The assorted other details about how to collaborate, how to work open source direct democracy, how to focus in on science instead of isms, how to become hyper rational about this, are details which are essential and crucial, without which we can predict the movement to fail.
  6. Technically speaking we are not 99 percent, we are one tenth of one percent attempting to represent the 99 percent. Our core mission must be to communicate to and with the 99 percent, and get them to join us. This forum will not accomplish that and neither will any of the other main websites.
  7. You can follow other people out to other wikis and other websites, where they will try to get you to get involved with what they want and their program, but frankly speaking, there is no other website and no other operation out there which understands the complexities involved with meaningful organization. In short, everyones being led to get involved here there and everywhere else, scattering the movement in directions which ultimately do not gain us critical mass, criticial momentum, or critical systemic lucidity.
  8. I have managed to get a wiki put up and have already put on that wiki evolutionary details which make it more organized than anything else. I can't do this alone. There are 10 or so wikis now out there, most of which were created in response to my pleas for a wiki, and several of which are in domains owned and operated by some corporation, (wikia, etc) And which we can thus assume will simply be closed, shut down, or deleted if they become useful to the movement.
  9. Probably at least half of the invites you have to go participate at some other site are people who are scamming everyone to waste time and energy, distort the movement, co opt it, and etc. When you walk off into a closet ask yourself how you know that the closet isn't created by some fed, or by some republican, or by some democrat, in order to sway things in their direction.
  10. The only meaningful strategic option we have for real change in this country is to create a new third party, and take every political office in this country.
  11. Once that is done, we can have an article 5 convention. If we have an article 5 convention before getting rid of the oligachs, that just opens the genie from the bottle for them to abuse that process with their corruption and evil.

For these reasons, I beg of you to please immediately join me on the wiki. We need to have all of these details and all of these ideas put together in an organized fashion, rather than posted in a long scrawl which will never be read.

http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/THE_99%25_POLITICAL_PARTY

http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Main_Page

http://www.followthemoney.org/?gclid=CMbY87bB-qsCFUPt7Qod9HE8mQ

http://maplight.org/us-congress/guide/data/money?9gtype=search&9gkw=list%20of%20campaign%20donations&9gad=6213192521.1&9gag=1786513361&gclid=CP61oYbB-qsCFQFZ7AodcTF0jw

http://www.opensecrets.org/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/our-new-wiki/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/non-violence-evolution-by-paradigm-shift/

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[-] 1 points by SRM (2) 12 years ago

Yes, we need to develop a message or our actions will be used against us. We don't want to let another Nixon (Newt) turn the country against us as they did when Johnson was in office. We wanted to change the country but ended up with Nixon and then Reagan whose policies created the 1%. I think we need to develop our own press to send out the message printed on paper and delivered to citizens at the occupy sites. One simple concise message per week outlining how to fix our broken system. Otherwise, the media will continue to focus on how the occupiers look and not the message. Think about France in WWII and how they quitely, but strategically created a movement to fight back. The occupiers today are not the people on the street, they are the people who have occupied and taken our county. They are sitting in buildings and planning ways to control the 99% and to kill the movement. The movements is to replace the 1% occupiers with the 99% who have lost ground in the United States. We need to mobilize and register voters who pledge to vote for candidates who support our cause and come out in support of our cause which is to make our country a place where 99% of us can enjoy our lives and provide for our families. It is all about the health and welfare for all of us.

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[-] 1 points by glaucom (6) 12 years ago

Occupy movement: next step-- encourage every world city that they, are in complete control.----------- to honor us- keep the ows brand name-
training web page http://tinyurl.com/7rvpv43 GLAUCON

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