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Forum Post: OCCUPY MOVEMENT IS AT AN IMPORTANT CROSSROADS: Do we throw the baby out with the bath water (dump our hard won republic) or evict the hijackers of our excellent system. 2008 financial crisis was perpetrated because government was weak not strong.

Posted 2 years ago on Feb. 5, 2012, 8:29 a.m. EST by therising (6643)
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FriendlyObserverB made such a great point below and said it so well:

He/she said: "The idea of the American government , was for the people by the people . I am sure they would not want to overthrow that one very important principle. The people overthrew the principles of monarchy, but parts still remain in the form of capitalism . The government is a capitalist's worst enemy , and capitalists are always trying to infiltrate and overthrow the government , with bribery, coercion and what ever method necessary to gain power over the people. And many have become confused thinking it is the government that is the enemy .. but this is propoganda spread by the wealthy capitalist and his media henchmen. Government is our only voice .. we lose that we lose everything." (end of FriendlyObserverB quote)

I would personally ad the following:

The reason the slickest of the 1% were able to perpetrate the 2008 financial crisis heist is that the government had been hijacked by corporate interests and the government lacked the power to do anything. SEC was down to tiny staff with very little inclination or power to investigate. Oversight had been gutted and regulators neutered by corporate influence and infiltration in our government.

Government is not the enemy. THOSE THAT HIJACKED THE GREAT AMERICAN SYSTEM ARE THE ENEMY. And we must fight that enemy the only effective way possible: with the weapons of love and monviolent tactical action. Yes, it's true. We actually have to love the worst of the 1% enough to set them right. That will take nonviolent direct action to show the entire country what the role of the 1% is in financial crisis, war, poverty, lack of health care etc. Nonviolent actions help expose the truth and connect the dots. Once the 1% connection to the daily miseries of the 99% is exposed to the sunlight of truth, the hijackers skill be removed from our elegant system and our republic will be restored. We Americans can now make our founders proud. We already hold the power to do so in our hot little hands.



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[-] 8 points by beautifulworld (20418) 2 years ago

This is why we Occupied "Wall Street."

[-] 4 points by riethc (1149) 2 years ago

That´s what brought me there.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago


[-] 7 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Government is not the enemy. The government is us. The enemy is the group of people who maintain the corpopolitical structure that has HIJACKED our government. I say we engage in nonviolent direct action to take it back.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago


[-] 0 points by tomahawk99 (-26) 2 years ago

We have a democrat president and Senate, both who are strongly influenced by Unions and left wing environmentalist, its not just corporations who have influence.

[-] 5 points by Middleaged (5140) 2 years ago

I agree with you. I just realized that with so many in the US out of jobs and focusing on the future - there might be a mini age of enlightenment in the USA.

I wanted to add a comment that corporations may have become enbolded to action to deregulate by their success in getting the IRS to focus on lower income citizens. I beleive they found in 1968 that a high income earner paid no taxes because of loopholes.

Wikipedia Quote on Think Tanks Influence:

Deregulation gained momentum in the 1970s, influenced by research at the University of Chicago and the theories of Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich von Hayek, and Milton Friedman, among others.[citation needed] Two leading 'think tanks' in Washington, the Brookings Institution and the American Enterprise Institute, were active in holding seminars and publishing studies advocating deregulatory initiatives throughout the 1970s and 1980s.[citation needed] Alfred E. Kahn played an unusual role in both publishing as an academic and participating in the Carter Administration's efforts to deregulate transportation.

Wikipedia Quote on Regulatory Capture:
One problem that encouraged deregulation was the way in which the regulated industries often controlled the government regulatory agencies, using them to serve the industries' interests. Even where regulatory bodies started out functioning independently, a process known as regulatory capture often saw industry interests come to dominate those of the consumer. A similar pattern has been observed with the deregulation process itself, often effectively controlled by the regulated industries through lobbying the legislative process. Such political forces, however, exist in many other forms for other special interest groups.


David Kay Johnston Books that discuss the money that government gives to the Rich, and how the Rich avoid taxes.


Free Lunch: How the Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves at Government Expense and Stick You With The Bill,

Perfectly Legal: The Covert Campaign to Rig Our Tax System to Benefit the Super Rich—and Cheat Everybody Else,

My books are lost among the clutter at this point, but I partly read them. Good books.

[-] 6 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Wow. GREAT info. This obsessive drive towards deregulation and the "selling" of it to the public as "common sense" is fascinating. Really almost like direct propaganda. Free market without regulation good, free market without regulation good, free market good, free market good, government bad, government bad..... And people fall for it after a while. Incredible. I doubt many former slaves, if they were alive to speak, would be inclined to assert that the free market can do no wrong.

[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 2 years ago

Yes, thanks. No question we are living in 1984.

I think we have to talk about different categories of regulations to decide what regulation is good or bad. I just can't point out the bad regulations right now. I know the good regulations prevent "Accounting Fraud" and that William K. Black discusses this along with Control Fraud.

Humans are always going to be greedy, just like they will always fight, and there will always be domestic abuse. So we need regulations.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

I completely agree. The film Inside Job really lays out how the financial crisis happened due to deregulation. If you haven't seen that film, I highly recommend it. It's incredible and do well put together.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 2 years ago

I bought the DVD, Inside Job, last Month. It is worth it to me for $20 dollars or whatever it cost.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

I did the same. :). I'm locking it in a safe for my kids and grand kids along with other treasures so they know what really happened here.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

I got it from the library, but would like to buy it. Where did you buy it. The Warning is also a good documentary.

[-] 3 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

True, we are fighting an insurgency of wealthy capitalists who have not only captured the media but many government agencies as well. And their puppets are even dominating our Supreme Court. They have so much power that they can make our politicians deny science and act in ways that are contrary to the good of this country. OWS is about saving America...Nothing less.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Well said. The way you described the anti-science stance brings home just how absurd this all is. They are so obsessed with what they refer to as "progress" (short term quarterly profits) that they'll trade the children's ability to breathe without wheezing and their grandchildren's very existence in order to add another zero to the income statement. They infiltrate regulatory agencies and the highest level of government and then cynically, unbelievably name the industry-friendly legislation that results "Clear Skies Initiative" or "healthy forests act" even though the actual result of the legislation is the exact opposite of those. How f'd up does one have to be in the head and heart to make those decisions and sleep like a baby?

[-] 3 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

A lot of Americans don't know what's going on. People are killing themselves in China - killing themselves - rather than work another 16 hour day making ipods. Some lose the use of their hands from the repetitive motion. But where is the media and the interviews? No American should buy any products from Apple until they fix this. And we need to take back the media.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

We need to ban all out-sourcing by "ALL" companies to Asian sweatshops.

We are American!!!!

We are against slavery and abuse.

Remember this and support it. We do not condone wage slavery and abuse by anyone. Stop the corrupt and greedy from supporting human misery.

[-] 3 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

The government is the oligarchs partner. Government isn't the enemy and capitalism isn't the enemy. Luthor rebelled against the Pope selling indulgences. The 1% has been buying indulgences from the politicians for avoiding taxes and sensible regulations to protect the citizens, the environment and other businesses. This was called corruption then and it is called corruption now.

That is what must change. We must get rid of the hijackers, fix the laws, get the graft out of the process of elections and governance. We must do it nonviolently and soon.

Physical occupation got attention. There are better ways to focus attention on the examples of things which must be changed. We should be creative but not hurt the innocent among the 99% or the 1%.

[-] 2 points by ancientmariner (275) 2 years ago

Listen! truth is like a freshning breeze! it blows away clouds of lies and confuion.

"Ah, love, let us be true To one another! for the world, which seems To lie before us like a land of dreams, So various, so beautiful, so new, Hath really neither joy, nor love, nor light, Nor certitude, nor peace, nor help for pain; And we are here as on a darkling plain Swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight, Where ignorant armies clash by night."

only truth can set us free

[-] 2 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

I think resorting to violence would an act of desparation that would only be used if all else fails. This movement was founded as a non-violent revolution. That's part of what drew me to it.

Anarchists, please leave. Agents provocateur, you will be found out and dealt with. Anyone else interested in hijacking this movement and it's founding principles, leave. Leave now.

[-] 4 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

I agree, except with one thing. Anarchism is not violent by definition. It simply refers to non-hierarchical organization. Anarchists started this movement, and made it successful so far. Their leaving would destroy the movement.

Before accusing any one group within OWS, it would be better if you knew what they really were and what they really stood for. The word "anarchist" is loaded in the US, and carries baggage put on it by reactionary conservatives since the 1930s union struggles. Don't buy into the hard right's definitions and distortions of what it means.

[-] 1 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

I misunderstood the term as it applies here. I apologize for doing so and stand corrected.

The people who mix in with peaceful protesters at events like the G 20 protests and cause great amounts of damage and harm are branded as 'anarchists' and so I transfered that misapplication to the Occupy protests.

[-] 2 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

That is big of you you. Especially considering that most people, when corrected in the internet, dig their heels in instead. (There is a psychological dynamic about it that is odd, and I myself have bee guilty of it on occasion.)

I also believe you may have been misled about the actual amount of damage and harm caused by OWS protests has been greatly exaggerated by the press, I believe. There may have been one or two instances of windows being broken (and I'm not excusing them: it was wrong to do so) but when a protester throws and empty plastic water bottle at the police, it is reported simply as "bottle-throwing" implying something far more destructive than what occurred.

I share your concern about vandalism and violence. But the press seems to be doing a good deal of distorting about it, and their reports are to be taken with a grain - rather, a truckload - of salt.

[-] 1 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

Thanks for your kind words. Like many, I think that annonimity (sp?) is a great reason for much incivility and flat out rudeness on-line. We can have intense discussions from opposing points of view and still respect on another as people. Sad that it doesn't happen too often here. All the name-calling, etc. Totally unnecessary and is in fact counter-productive.

I looked at some of the old news footage on MLK Day of those peaceful protests and all that was perpettrated by police and others in positions of authority on the protestors. In thirty years how will history show this movement? Corporate media records what it records. Will enough of our own recordings of events get into the record?

Look at what we see of the Hippie Movement nowadays as shown on PBS, The History Channel, etc. How did all these trolls who come to this forum arrive at the distorted conclusions they've reached about the late 1960s and 70s? Hollywood movies and docs done about the most extreme aspects of that era. A sort of subtle (if you will) sensationalism. The things that were portrayed were based in truth or were in fact true but the day-to-day of the times were not that way.

The Hippie movement was about dropping out of society, not changing it. Hippies wanted a different reality; live a communal life-style, drugs like LSD and marijuana instead of alcohol.

The Protest Movements were another thing entirely because those movements WERE trying to work to change things. Were there violents factions of those movements? Certainly. We know of The Weathermen, The Black Panthers, SLA and others. Will those types of groups form as a consequence of the seeds planted by Occupy? It seems entirely possible; even likely and may have already occured, i.e. the Black Bloc(?)

[-] 1 points by catherineclay (1) 2 years ago

I think we need to take Valentine's day and make that the day we take our money out of the bank. Let's show them what Valentine's day is allllll about.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

If we place a CAP on capitalism with the help of our government we will then gain control of our lives. We need to Cap profits at a percentage level between all points of buy and sell . This will cure the problem of unfair wealth distribution, plus create a healthy economy. Unfettered profits has caused an unbalance in fairness. The greedy kept taking more and more, and through accumulation have amassed enormous wealth while starving the economy and its citizens. Although this is not a popular agenda by the OWS people , it is what should be accomplished. Also, by creating a balance in wealth the need to remove money from politics will no longer be an issue. thanks for listening

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Balance in wealth would be a great thing indeed. Especially considering the fact that 1% of the country owns 50% of the wealth and 90% of that wealth is inherited! There are a lot of lazy 1%'ers lecturing us all to "get a job" when they haven't worked an honest day in a long long time.

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 2 years ago

well if we had a well armed militia, which is our constitutional right, we could just arrest congress, and senate, and the president and put the OWS people in office. LOL Put it this way, they couldnt do a WORSE job, now could they?

[-] 1 points by Phanya2011 (908) from Tucson, AZ 2 years ago

The below link is to one of a series of pages that contain proposed solutions to, well, everything. I was thrilled to discover such ideas even existed. Their author has been working on this since 1989, but only through the internet are his ideas being considered.


[-] 0 points by freewriterguy (882) 2 years ago

ok maybe my emotions were getting carried away, and your right its not worth throwing out the baby with the water, but man, some of us, me and ron paul have been warning about this for 30 years now, (more ron paul than me) ha ha

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Good post 'rising' I am concerned if getting rid of the hi-jackers will be enough though. We have a long history of subjugating people throughout the world through colonialism, economic policies and brute force, and we have all received the benefits from doing so.. Morally that is very troublesome to me.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

The excelllent film "Why We Fight" focuses on the problem you raise and offers some solutions. I agree that addressing this Must be part of it.


[-] 0 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 2 years ago

Centuries of planned "panics," depressions, and recessions - all of which have caused immense enrichment for the few and immense loss to the nation and costs to future generations - have resulted in mind-boggling levels of interest bearing debt, inflation, and currency value destruction now bringing the nation to a financial armageddon.

It is time we extricate ourselves from this costly, self-defeating, and utterly oligarchic system. Demand that your representative act, not to give greater powers to the banking elite, but to audit the owners and seek to return the "Federal" Reserve stock and powers to We, The People.


[-] 0 points by freewriterguy (882) 2 years ago

Your point has some substantial merit. It seems an impossible road however. I have fought for years complaining to bigwigs who are so set in their positions against the weak, and no one seemed to care. From government workers who as long as they got their steady paycheck (the bums), (When I worked in government I noticed at many levels, that it is the first and foremost duty to try and find some reason to deny a request first, or 2ndly to refer the request on a neverending treasure hunt of other agencies like a chicken with its head cut off running in circles so long as each of the government agencies didn't have to do anything beyond their job description.) to people in Power thinking they are overlords of my children both in child protection services and educational department Lords. For years i have complained about personal experiences that were unjust, and perhaps the masses just couldnt see how the weak and the poor suffer in a "civil" society, so they brushed it off by saying, "So is the world out to get you?" I'll stand alone if I have to and believe the unfortunate circumstances of those who suffer.

There is something wrong with the masses, that I have begun to lose faith in them. Take many of the great discoveries for instance which were discounted by many, from "mystical" rogue waves on the open sea (until evidence finally came in), to washing of the hands between birthing delivery of children so as not to spread "mystical" germs, (the author of this was laughed out of his profession to his dieing day), to unseen" atoms that supposedely existed, until the electron microscope proved they did exist. It's almost as though the masses intelligence level is invariably that of an idiot. This may be an underlying reason why so few do succeed. I wonder.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 2 years ago

Yes, I agree. Government people see politics and budget cuts through the lens of how budget cuts might lower their wages or eliminate their jobs.

Also agree about professionals not listening. First, example I saw was how science has to deny anything that can not be proved, but also scientist will deny and disallow discussion contrary to their theories. And they have salaries or earnings to protect along with their status and influence. Second, I have learned that academics also are very protective of their careers, earnings, status, and will refuse discussions, and even destroy people with different theories. Third, is that corporate or business interests have public relations teams (United Fruit Company), Lobbyist, Think Tanks, Campaign Contributions, PACs, all to spin (with propaganda) the truth and even dumb down our education system.

Then there is the example of Vietnam Veterans who looked into the Federal Government after the war. Many Vets were disappointed in the micromanagement of Vietnam and the stated policies that allowed safe haven to NVA, the use of Agent Orange, the denial of AO sickness, the gutting of the military after the end of the war, etc. The point that I'm making is that congress was unresponsive to legitimate concerns and questions even back in the 1970-80s.



[-] -1 points by Chugwunka (89) from Willows, CA 2 years ago

The vision of the Founding Fathers is dead in this day and age. Our Constitution is not followed even by the Supreme Court. Recently a long time Justice of that court told an audience in Egypt (are you listening all you believers in an "Arab Spring") that our constitution is out of date and not worth emulating.

[-] 4 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Nope. The vision of the founding fathers is alive and well in the occupy movement.

[-] -3 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 2 years ago

Government is the Enemy.

The USA police state is the Enemy.

The cops are the enemy.

The public prison union is the enemy.

Wall Street is a scape-goat.

[+] -4 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 2 years ago

We have met the enemy and he is us.

Want to see the enemy? Look in the mirror.

The US is a Kleptocracy, only an old whore on the company payroll has a vested interest in the status quo.

That said, 56% of the US public gets a check every month, so there are lots of old whores in the USA.

There was a bubble and the whole world is hurting, not just the USA.

Nobody hiJacked anything the US public enjoyed the housing bubble 1998-2007, only when the party was over did any parasite whine.

Today Wall-Street is toast, its finished. For the past ten years the stock market has gone no where.

Today the real financial power in the USA is in the Chicago Comex ( chicago commodity exchange ) that's why the Obama was put in power, that 's why his mother Rahm-Emanuel breast fed him to be prez.

If the USA survives this depression, it will only be if the COMEX can continue to force the world to trade all commodity's on the planet in US dollars through the COMEX, if the COMEX loses this power then the USA will have to sell real assets to buy commodity's instead of as it does now print fake fiat money.

[-] 1 points by ancientmariner (275) 2 years ago

What venom there is in this snake.

[-] 1 points by Phanya2011 (908) from Tucson, AZ 2 years ago

It seems to me that everything that is going on now is a natural result of the systems we as a nation (and as a world, for that matter) put in place decades ago (even centuries ago, really). To assign blame when we all participated in it is really a waste of time and energy, accomplishing nothing. Nothing happens to any of us without our participation, even if that participation is merely remaining ignorant and doing nothing. But this century, we have a huge advantage: information is available, new ideas are available, education is there for anyone who has access to a computer. Look at new ways of doing everything, from education to government to corporate structures. Find something that makes sense, and help promote it. I personally was completely surprised to learn about different monetary systems, for instance, or different hybrid ways to form corporations that partner with foundations. I accepted what I was taught and lived within those very, very limited parameters. The internet will always be a target of the System because it is the only viable threat to the system that has a real chance of changing it. Focus our energy on solutions rather than the ineffective scattershot of blame. Think of the difference between the power of focused light (a laser) versus ambient light (a romantic restaurant). We have a different kind of energy, but it is equally capable of being focused.

[-] -1 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 2 years ago

Do you believe a computer can set you free?, then I think Steve Job's will return from his grave to sell you a computer.

I think the same argument could have been made with the invention of TV, I certainly remember schools saying "If we could put a TV in the class room, it would change education"

Like the Joker said in the Batman movie "I Said I would bring you change, I didn't say it would be good".

[-] 2 points by Phanya2011 (908) from Tucson, AZ 2 years ago

We have to set ourselves free, but never before have we had access to so much information that is uncontrolled and readily available. How we use any tool is up to us. We have been technologically moving toward connection with one another, but our culture has been promoting separateness. It's our choice.

[-] 0 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 2 years ago

USA ISP's sold out to the NSA/CIA long ago.

Google "Bubble Filtering", ... and you will clearly know all about the information you know.

All information handed to you on the internet is carefully crafted for what they want you to see.

GOOGLE and all USA ISP's sold out to the NSA/CIA long ago.

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

I believe the internet has the potential to bring humanity closer because of its two way communicable nature. Where as the television was a one way communication device, the internet allows real time, multi person communication. Humanity has finally perfected telepathy. Wars of the past were fought because of the lack of information. This could be a thing of the past. The internet, though, like any tool humanity has created, is a double edged sword. Just a though...

[-] -1 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 2 years ago

Just look at this pathetic forum, ... all these posts to "GO LOOK AT MY STUPID YOUTUBE"

Don't you see it? Or are you one of those who have no idea how technology works?

The Internet has already become NO more than interactive TV, and I hate to tell you this, ... interactive TV is NOT new.

Sure there is potential in anything, ...

You and everybody here can have all the information, and that will NOT stop Obama and the CIA from stealing Iran's Oil.

You may have information, but the people who control you, never cared about what you thought in the first place.

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

first of all i don't rely on the internet to get information. I do it the old fashion way, read books with source notes, and talk to people in the real world. my meaning was that armed with my knowledge, I can disseminate it and get real time feedback. trust me when I tell you I don't take youtube commercials seriously. I laugh every time someone uses that site for their source. it is analogous to some one saying go to the cartoon network or a mainstream news agency to become well informed. it's bullshit in my mind, and I don't take internet info seriously. But when someone makes an intelligent argument, using their real world experiences as their fodder, I stop and think. Besides the communication on the internet is only half of the story, the other half is participating with protests in my neighborhood. And the people who think they control me, lost that control a long time ago. only thing I "have to fear is fear itself." I'm just glad i picked up a book when the towers fell and not a gun.

[-] -1 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 2 years ago

WOW slow down dude, your last five posts' you did nothing but try to justify that the INTERNET would change the world, and now your saying the INTERNET is shit and all real knowledge is from books.

Do you realize that you have completely abandoned your original theme??



[+] -5 points by Carlitini99 (-167) 2 years ago

The Government started the 2008 crisis by forcing banks to ease up on the loan requirements. How much more government do you clowns want? Even as large as they are, they are still largely incompetent and ineffectual.

[-] 9 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

WRONG. Wall St. HIJACKED our government agencies putting corporate-minded people in charge of those agencies. Industries, thanks to the "revolving door" were then basically regulating themselves. It's the old fox guarding the henhouse thing. It doesn't work. Your distrust of government is a clumsy reaction. You're throwing the baby out with the bath water. The government is us. The problem comes when industry / corporations HIJACK our government. Deregulation is what allowed the financial crisis to happen. Even the people on Wall Street admit that

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

the post above had been collapsed due to down votes

and this post with it

the collaps fubction should be removed

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[-] -2 points by Carlitini99 (-167) 2 years ago

Who said i distrusted government. I said government started the crisis and has incompetent people running it. We could easily shrink government and still have a effective government. Just have them do what they are suppose to do.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Wall St runs DC at the moment. The system is fine. It's just been hijacked by greedy free marketeers who have attempted to sell out their country to make a dime. These folks have pushed and pushed for deregulation really beginning in Reagan era and their success made it possible for Wall Street tycoons to rob taxpayers blind and send our economy into a tailspin. If the government had been stronger with better regulators, this could never have happened. As it was, the fox (who had bought his way into government) was guarding the henhouse.

[-] 4 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

more greedy BS......the banks were not forced to do anything.... they were simply required to ease up on a small percentage of mortgage loan qualifications IF they wanted to continue on the gravy train of obtaining cheep money from the gov..(the people) ....

the banks were and are free to go and get money elsewhere..,.

quite hypocritical that they put loan requirements on their clients... yet throw temper tantrums when their lenders place loan requirements on them...

[-] 3 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago


[-] -2 points by Carlitini99 (-167) 2 years ago

They were forced (CRA). Acorn and other 'activist' groups sued and bullied banks to make these bad loans.. What are you talking about.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 2 years ago

You need to study William K. Black. All his articles and all his videos. Start with his info on Wikipedia.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Will check it out.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 2 years ago

Sorry I was replying to Carlitini99 .... he/she seems to be lost.

[-] -1 points by Carlitini99 (-167) 2 years ago

You just can't see me but i'm not lost, just look over a bit i'm on the other side. I took a side, its not your side, but it is the winning side.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 2 years ago

Well okay. Take a look at William Blacks work. He worked for the Department of justice and handled prosecutions. He is a lawyer. He prosecuted over 1000 people or assisted in it for the original Savings and Loan Crisis.

[-] -1 points by Carlitini99 (-167) 2 years ago

what is this a reeducation camp? You obviously believe that government is only good and corporations only bad. Me watching some stupid left wind video isn't going to convince me.