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Forum Post: Occupy makes other protests ineffective

Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 13, 2011, 5:43 a.m. EST by goober (2)
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I like the idea of a leaderless dialogue. I like the idea of paradigm shifts and dissing the fake economy and creating our own realities and revolution. That all sounds really good. However, OWS and it's side trips have really put a damper on other movements, making protests something of a joke. Protest is a means of fighting for a cause, and with no defined cause, it's just an ongoing sit-in with no end in sight. And now when I want to go to a protest that has a defined purpose and goal, I'm being thrown in as a co-conspirator with a vague directionless idealized movement, and summarily dismissed on a very important issue. This so-called dialogue has backfired in a very bizarre way by making public demonstration impotent. OWS needs to get organized and needs to redefine protest so that it can be taken seriously instead of bringing discredit to all forms of civil disobedience as meaningless tripe. Obviously, there are dumbasses in all movements, and there are saboteurs and trolls and flamers and such. But, please, if there is some brains out there involved in this, begin to move this dialogue to the level of true action and serve as an example for HOW TO GET SHIT DONE. Stop being hypocrites. Congress already knows how to talk about shit until it's blue in the face and disagree until the cows come home about how to fix it. We (the 99%) are supposed to be showing them how it should be done. Fuck waiting for some "job givers". Screw asking for permission for ending the Fed. Live the ideas people. Sitting in the freezing cold asking people for food and tents is not the way to create the reality you want and neither is asking the government to do their damn job. Just roll up your sleeves and start volunteering to do random acts of kindness for one another and create a new economy based on gifting. Tell the IRS to tax that! We are not helpless and we certainly don't have to wait or sit somewhere for months until some as yet undefined demand is met like some kind of creepers taking the public spaces as our hostage. I am impressed with the human megaphone idea. Other stuff coming (seemingly) randomly out of this movement is also impressive. Now develop a system for weeding out the haters and getting down to business and you'll be well on your way. Good luck. I'll be going to a completely unrelated protest in a few weeks and I hope we will be able to make some sort of impact on a very specific and threatening issue. If we lose the fight because of the negative association with OWS protests, I will hang my head and cry. Please, if you want to change the world, change it, but don't wreck free speech for the rest of us. Stop making peace-loving freaks look bad. Thank you.

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[-] 1 points by goober (2) 12 years ago

This movement should do some homework on what worked for the truly effective movements throughout history. Organization, creating respect and empathy/sympathy for the cause, direction, organization, a plan, a brilliant plan wouldn't hurt. A bunch of pissed off people does not a movement make.

[-] 1 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 12 years ago

It's not the "dumbasses" that laid out the framework for Occupy, it's the brains behind the movement. The "dumbasses" are just following what the organizers have decided to do.

[-] 1 points by goober (2) 12 years ago

Its the dumbasses that bring disrepute to that which admittedly seemed fairly brilliant to begin with. Doing things that many find distasteful damages the image to the extent the message is never heard. Burning flags, polluting public spaces and spouting misinformation, ignorance and entitlement rhetoric qualifies as dumbass. This leaderless movement needs somebody(s) to step up or a lot of smart people to have an aha! moment and realize there must be another way than this and to step back and reevaluate. It's like a strange microcosm of peak oil: this activity in and of itself is necessarily finite and non-sustainable, full of bizarre paradoxes and blind hypocrisy. Power in numbers is great, but without direction it's just another form of mob rule.