Forum Post: Occupy Congress, Not Wall Street !
Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 8, 2011, 12:40 p.m. EST by sans1024
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I think your efforts should be directed toward Washington D.C. and all of the crooked politicians who are reaping benefits with their lofty positions . Copy and paste the links below into the address bar for more info:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7388130n
Also, Protesting without a defined objective or solution to the problem is a waste of time.
Congressional members and a 60 minutes program(shock!) have admitted they were insider trading...only they ALL agree, due to some mysterious non existent 'exemption', that it is perfectly legal.
Of course it is not legal, and every one of them should be thrown in prison. I'd say that is a damn good place to start. Hard to control your puppets when they are in jail.
Yeah, my Congressman Dave Loebsack is backing a bill that will make insider trading illegal amongst Congressional members. I received a mass email from the guy telling me he's backing a bill that's going to put a stop to the legal loophole.
it is ALREADY ILLEGAL...this bill is a means to cover their asses.
Why should they have to pass a bill to make it illegal, when insider trading is already illegal for every American?
For a Congressional member to do it, to pad their own pockets while voting on our laws...they should do double time in prison.
We need to throw them in jail right now. Bachus, Durbin...who else?
It's called the Stop Trading on Congressional Knowledge (STOCK) Act.
No, It Is NOT “Legal” For Congress To Insider-Trade — The SEC Should Launch Investigation Immediately
Congress never "exempted" itself from insider trading laws, Nagy says — because Congress has never actually passed a law about insider trading.
By trading on information gathered in the course of their jobs, Nagy says, Congress-people are abusing the public trust and violating a legal duty, just the way any other insider-traders do.
So the Congress people who traded during the financial crisis (and since) should be investigated and, possibly, prosecuted for their behavior.
The definition of insider trading is trading while in possession of material non-public information.
On September 16th, 2008, a new book by Peter Schweizer alleges, Rep. Spencer Bachus and other members of Congress attended a private, off-the-record (read: non-public) briefing from Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke about the state of the economy.
The next day, some Congress-people who attended the briefing, including Rep. Bachus and Dick Durbin, sold stocks or bet against the market. A few days later, after the market had tanked, Rep. Bachus cashed out his bet for a tidy profit.
http://www.businessinsider.com/congress-insider-trading-investigation-2011-11#ixzz1dnmcxjaG
In what has become essentially a corporate state there is little political difference between Washington and Wall Street. From the point of view of the movement the issue is merely logistical and at the moment it is a toss up. Lower Manhattan is much more congested with much narrower streets. A crowd of 20 thousand could bring commerce to a screeching halt. Given its wide boulevards and Malls a crowd ten times that number wouldn't even be noticed in DC. On the other hand, so far at least, the occupations in DC still seem to be going concerns, which may make them viable winter retreats.
FUK that Shit!
we need to protest rocks!
and a Street!
dont listen to the rebulicans! Keep the Faith!
Protest a tree!
When my neighbor's dog craps on my lawn I don't just yell at the dog. I take it up with her owner.
who represents the dog here and who represents the neighbor?
Congress is the dog, of course. They're the ones who were bought and get trained to beg for their masters' favor.
hahahaha!
They're two! Two crooks in one!
Congress is just a bit easier to see.
Occupy everything!!!!
no - congress are the one's who took an oath & are suppose to represent us. Business didnt. They are expected to look out for their own interests. Congress is supposed to look out for the people.
How are the Koch Bros. not crooks?
Bribers and bribees are both crooks.
Corporations ARE supposed to look out for their customers too. Not just their "investors".
how come you didn't mention George Soros or John Corzine? Corporations can look out for their customers if they want. If the customers dont like how the company is treating them they can go to the competition. companies are under no obligation look out for their customers. were did you get that idea anyway?
There is no REAL competition. So please, don't give me that buy somewhere else BS.
Why do you always gloss over the Koch Bros.? ( Do they give to much to the "cause"?)
Look at what happened after the Massey mining disaster. Once again, no one went to jail.
In fact. The owner sold out after maintaining two sets of books, and retired, figuring he can afford to air condition hell.
well then rail against crony capitalism if your concerned about no REAL competition. Promote competition. Investigate Libertarianism. You still didnt mention why you didn't mention Corzine & Soros. I didn't bring up the Kock Brother because I could care less. If they are getting away with something go tell the politicians who allow it. Your aiming at the wrong target
You don't bring them up, because they founded and support libertarianism. In all it's many forms.
My aim is true.
Both sides of a bribe are to blame.
you are never going to stop people from offering money for favors. you need to hold your elected official accountable. If I offer you money for a favor who's to blame? It doesn't hurt to ask. If you accept & you are responsible for representing your constituency who elected you and you took an oath of office Pleeeaase - get real!
So, when did only one side of a bribe take all them blame?
You seem bit unreal to me.
How old are you?
the one accepting the bribe is guilty. How are you going to stop people from offering bribes? the elected officials are the ones who answer to us. go occupy them. or - as you say both sides are guilty - fine - but I dont see you occupying washington
Try bribing the next cop that pulls you over, and don't tell me to get real.
There is an Occupy in DC. Pay attention.
You should pay more attention to who supports libTs too.
great - are you occupying MF Global?
Was it traded on Wallstreet?
MF Global is headed by John Corzine & they just misplaced 1.2 Billion dollars of their customers money. Corzine is testifying today in front of congress. Obama's friend
You didn't answer the question.
We have to think much bigger and not get distracted by these old institutions that are dying. We should be thinking about what to replace them with.
FIGHT THE CAUSE - NOT THE SYMPTOM Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( www.revolution2.osixs.org )
It's time to move to a smarter revolution with a plan and strategy. Is that unreasonable?
Oh, I'm sure. Currently the American Legal Exchange Council is writing legislation. So, whether or not you agree with it. It is the right place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xgWPV60G2I
Hilarious!
Of course it is. Thats because this is anarchy.
There are a bunch of anarchists running this thing with the help of their Serbian Revolution fighter friends. To say or believe that this movement has no leaders is either to be ignorant or to lie. This whole movement is built on deceit. Leaderless, spontaneous uprising? Lies. It was planned by anarchists and Serbian revolutionaries in order to take advantage of peoples discontent in order to further their own agenda. Direct Democracy and/or the total elimination of government.
This movement needs to lose the anarchy and the direct democracy absurdity, get some real leadership and an effective organizational structure. That is the only way that the legitimate demand of "taking money out of politics" is going to move forward.
The anarchists are holding this movement back from being a huge political force. It is absurd and ridiculous nonsense.
http://www.thestreet.com/story/11293836/1/meet-the-man-behind-occupy-wall-street.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCrC6GL7430&feature=youtu.be
We're not a political organization. Politicians have failed us. Obama failed us and the tea party betrayed what its supporters used to stand for.
Now we're just an angry mob.
Angry mob - that's oh so helpful and productive. Sarcasm intended.
I am so sick of hearing the - we're not political. How do you intend to change government without being political? Or are you one of those who just want to overthrow the government entirely? Oh yeah - that's right - the OWS message is - "we don't need politicians". ok , now that gets me to the anarchist freak show.
This is an anarchist freak show. Huge waste of time and potential. Except for the anarchists, who get their moment in the sun, out from their undrerground subculture. Everyone else gets strung along and taken advantage of with all of the lies and deceit. Nice. Sarcasm intended again.
The very fact that OWS wants to change the govt makes it political IMO.
Yeah, the OWS ptb wants to change the government all right. They want to change the government from a Representative Republic to Direct Democracy.
Which would be a very bad thing. Our system now may be broke but it is fixable. Direct Democracy is merely mob rule and throws out the individuals rights. While on top of it it seems to be a good thing all one need do is think about the potential for abuse and discrimination and you come to the realization that it could be a bad thing.
Direct Democracy is absurd nonsense. Zoo-cotti is nothing more than preschoolers anarchy in a park. I'm not even certain they're all completely potty trained. It's riduculous. We need real leaders to give voice, direction and focus to the movement to get political change through government.
Of course our system can and should be fixed, to end government corruption. But that is not the agenda of OWS ptb. OWS ptb is holding the movement back from any meaningful accomplishment and changes with and through government.
This movement could be so much more than anarchy. A political party even. OWS is totally wasted potential because of the anarchists running this thing.
Perspective, you are a thinking, considerate person. Why are you buying into this direct democracy bullshit?
That is not an OWS position, and never has been. Read the declaration.
Direct Democracy is not an OWS position?? It may not be in the Declaration, but it certainly IS their position. The whole movement revolves around direct democracy and anarchy. I say that is pretty clearly the OWS ptb position.
What? They're going to put that in writing in the Declaration? You believe the Declaration? When this whole movement is built on lies and deceipt? I don't believe anything that comes out of OWS. All lies, deceipt and direct democracy manipulation.
If they were truthful, the Declaration would say -
"Hey, everyone - join us for our Direct Democracy Anarchy Freak Show - come sign up to end our Representative form of government."
You are welcome to your opinion, no matter how factually baseless, ignorant and full supported by Rush Limbaugh it is.
Here are the facts. Leaderless, spontaneous uprising is an outright lie. I posted these links above in my first post on this thread, but maybe you missed it. So I'll put the links again here for you.
And just to let you know, I never listen to Rush Limbaugh and could care less what he has to say about OWS or anything else. This has absolutely nothing to do with Rush Limbaugh.
David Graeber, a self professed anarchist started this movement. Here is an article about it. When the call went out from Adbusters about a protest (months in advance) , it was targeted towards anti-capitalists and anarchists. Once David Graeber became involved and developed the "no demands", non-heirarchical, direct democracy anarchist structure, to be sure, more anarchists jumped on the bandwagon. I'm sure you can do your own research, but this is a start.
http://www.thestreet.com/story/11293836/1/meet-the-man-behind-occupy-wall-street.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCrC6GL7430&feature=youtu.be
OWS was indeed conceived by Graeber and ADBUSTERS. Somebody had to have the idea. The 500 or so occupations around the nation were indeed spontaneous as are hundreds of other actions.
That any revolution could take place without some degree of coordination and communication is ignorant, and the idea that any coordination somehow invalidates the revolution is simply absurd.
As to anarchists and anti-capitalists, that is your opinion as well as a figment of your imagination.
Are you a tea-party member?
There are people who are anarchists and believe in anarchist theory. There are people who are anti-capitalist and believe in communism and socialism. Do you deny that such people exist? If these people exist, they are not a figment of my imagination. Are they?
And no, I'm not a tea party member.
I'm not saying the anarchists that are running this thing invalidates the movement. In fact my concern is the total opposite of that.
Because the regular protesters have very legitimate issues, like ending government corruption and financial reform. My point is - without getting rid of the anarchy in order to get some real leadership, this movement is wasting its potential. And that potential is huge. OWS has the potential to be a huge legitimate 3rd party perhaps. But not so long as the anarchists are running this thing.
This movement needs real leadership to provide a voice, effective structure and organization and focus. Not this anarchy and absurd direct democracy nonsense. I want the movement to be successful! Thats why I want this movement to lose the anarchy. Get some real leadership, so it can be successful.
Part of being successful in a broad based movement is being tolerant of others and working, through compromise, toward common goals.
You are clearly lacking in the ability to do that, and the frothing-at-the-mouth ideologues who know "better than everyone else" are as - if not more - dangerous than those who oppose OWS directly.
"Direct Democracy is absurd nonsense. Zoo-cotti is nothing more than preschoolers anarchy in a park. I'm not even certain they're all completely potty trained."
I think a bigger and more important part of being successful, it is necessary to have an effective organizational structure and real leadership. Not anarchy.
Why should I be tolerant of people who want to end our form of government? The anarchists are taking advantage of people legitimate problems. Direct Democracy is absurd nonsense. Why should any of us in this movement that want it to be successful tolerate it? This movement could clearly do so much better. Why do we all sit back and accept the anarchy? It's sad really.
"Why should I be tolerant of people who want to end our form of government? "
Why are you tolerant of corporations then?
They already changed it for the worse.
Most people don't want to change the government.
They're just tired of being lied to and told by politicians that they have their best interest of the American people at heart. They don't.
Well I think there are still a few but not many that's for sure.
Should we protest the puppets or the puppeteers?
Tough choice.
It is Wall Street that has corrupted and subverted our democracy. the corruption of Congress is just a symptom of the corruption.
Occupation actions directed at congress put pressure on the corrupted politicians to curtail their violation of the public trust in favor o Wall Street.
Occupation actions on Wall Street confronts directly and face to face those who have corrupted our democracy and Congress.
Both actions, confronting the corrupted and confronting the corrupt, are necessary to end the subversion of our democracy and Congress by Wall Street.
Its not an either/or situation.
How can I tell the difference ?
follow the links
Ok read that ------------so how can can I tell the difference?