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Forum Post: 'Occupied Afghanistan' : Some facts, points and observations from beyond The MSM Veil.

Posted 9 years ago on Nov. 4, 2011, 1:25 p.m. EST by shadz66 (19985)
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With reference to Afghanistan - "Graveyard of Empires" but alas also an early grave for so many of its long suffering people, I post the following :

1) Afghanistan is a multi-ethnic country, made up of Aimaks, Baluchis, Hazaras, Kazahks, Kirghis, Pamiris, Tajhiks, Turkmen, Uzbeks & at ~42% of the total population, the largest single group, the Pashtuns/Pukhtoons.

2) The historical Pashtun homeland is divided in two by the Afghan/Pakistan border. This porous "border" is in effect the old "Durand Line", the de facto western territorial limit of the British Empire in the Indian subcontinent. The Pashtuns have NEVER recognised this arbitrary line on someone else's map & no external power or authority has ever been able to define it, let alone patrol or police it.

3) Pashtun society is extremely conservative, deeply traditional, unrelentingly patriarchal & tribal. The Women lead difficult lives far removed from any "Liberal Western Norms". A Pashtun is a member of a family group, a sub-clan,a clan & then a tribe. At over 45 million people globally, they are the world's largest tribally affiliated ethnic group.

4) Conservative Islam & the Lex Talionis, Pre-Islamic honour code "Pashtunwalli", are the law, organisational guidelines & ethical principles by which this proud, fiercely independent & hardy mountain people regulate their society alongside & within their Jirga/Shura/Majlis collective decision making & gathering systems.

5) The phrase "Revenge is a dish best served cold", is the English approximation & appropriation of the Pashtun original. Another Pashtun dictum is: "Me against my brothers; me & my brothers against my cousins; me, my brothers & my cousins against the world". Pashtun males are considered adult at 13 years of age & are honour bound to defend "Zan, Zhar, Zamin" - Women, Wealth & Land. Notions of loyalty and duty to kith & kin, honour, respect, shame, "not losing face" & "dying on one's feet rather than living on one's knees" are central to their world view & modus vivendi.

6) The word "Taliban" translates as "Students", as they were originally recruited, equipped & organised with the enthusiastic help, encouragement & funding of the Saudis, ISI, MI6 & CIA from the Madrasas (religious schools) in the numerous Pashtun refugee camps, during & after the war to oust the Soviet armed forces & the devastating civil war that followed it. Their grandfathers & fathers were then of course, known & eulogised as the "Mujahideen". The word "Taliban" is now nothing other than a obfuscatory, propagandist & subversive "meme" for what is in actuality, under various names & guises - The Pashtun National Resistance Movement.

7) The peoples of present day Afghanistan, whether Pashtun or otherwise, are the time served world champions of guerilla warfare & insurgency. No army or empire has ever been able to totally defeat & dominate them. (Alexander the Great's) Greek, Scythian, Hepthalite, Bactrian, Persian, Mongol, Arab, Turkic, British & Russian armies have all been severely mauled & bloodied at some time or other & have had to retreat, assimilate, pay tribute to or come to an accommodation with, these fierce & warlike peoples.

8) The Americans, despite their massive military superiority, are the latest to learn these same painful lessons. This time however, the whole world is (quite intentionally?) further driven towards a "Clash of Civilisations", as advocated by Samuel Huntington, Benny Morris, William Safire, Thomas Friedman, Charles Krauthammer, Donald, Robert & Fred Kagan, Norman & John Podhoretz, Richard & Daniel Pipes, Irving & Bill Kristol, Richards Perle & Haas, Pauls Bremer & Wolfowitz, etc.

9) This PNAC/NeoCon ambition, aspiration & world view stimulates and is mirrored by (as predicted by the Probability Gamers in Herzliya & Langley!) the grand "End Time" schematic of a few thousand Jihadis worldwide, whose fanaticism & fury ; rage & resistance is fuelled, stoked & provoked by the Scientific Uber-Violence & Imperial Jackboot of the "Coalition of the Complicit", under the aegis & "Blood Spattered Banner of the Usurped States of Amnesiacs".

10) What the Warmongering US "National Security"/Military/Industrial/Corporate/Banking cliques did NOT seem to know of the Buddhist Vietnamese, in that they were a fiercely independent people, who had fought the Mongol, Khmer, Chinese, Japanese & French Imperiums before they defeated the USA - so do they NOW seem NOT to know of the Muslim Afghans.

However, perhaps an Unending War is just what is Really Wanted by the Dark Forces of the Bankster-U$/MIC Nexus. After all 9/!! was the declared raison d'etre for the Illegal & Immoral War on Afghanistan but as that attack had nothing to do with Afghans or Afghanistan, then ... ?

Empire & 'WARFARE' abroad and austerity & 'UNFAIR' at home - this horror, hubris & hypocrisy can NOT go on !!!

fiat lux ; fiat pax ; fiat justitia ruat caelum ...



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[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 9 years ago

For a further insight into 'Warfare' abroad & 'Unfair' at home, please see :

a) "US Killed Over 1,500 Afghan Civilians in 10 Months" : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29604.htm ,

b) "Fraudulent Defense Contractors Paid $1 Trillion" : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29510.htm ,

c) "Defending Bloated Military Spending" : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29512.htm ,

d) "War and Serfdom: Is This The World We Really Want to Live In?" : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29514.htm &

e) "Imperialism and Democracy: White House or Liberty Square?" : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29491.htm et al ...

qui tacet consentire ...

[-] 1 points by The1capitalist (87) 9 years ago

You have two problems 1) rather ironically you do have a grasp of what their history and culture is like. 2) You have a deep seated hatred of this country which any of your ideas or thoughts are bent toward resembling, you need to have a harder look at yourself and you ideology

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 9 years ago

As clearly evidenced by your post, your major malfunction is the disappearance of your head up your (x) & there is little point in even trying to engage with the U$A uber-alles, reactionary & anti-rational twaddle that pass for your 'opinions'.

Sadly, one suspects that it is 'opinions' like yours which predominate within the US-Military Industrial Complex & The <1% Bankster Klepto/Pluto-crats, who are in the final analysis - in 'The Business of War & Empire'.

Best of luck with the clearly necessary surgical extraction.

multum in parvo ...

[-] 0 points by The1capitalist (87) 9 years ago

wow you really are in up to your eyeballs aren't you?

oh, a bit of a quandary. if their was no point in engaging me why did you?

And as far as U$A goes, that is a nice complement.

As a former President was once purportedly to have said " The business of America is business" I think it fits well

For God and Country

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 9 years ago

"The business of America is" EMPIRE, it'd appear !!!

[-] 1 points by The1capitalist (87) 9 years ago

What is your version of empire, because if it's the dictionary's definition then , no we have no empire.

If you mean we have military bases throughout the world, well there is a reason for that, read a history book.

I will not apologize for American Power. Thank God for it. Europeans secretly pray that we exist because they know that Western Civilization and the protection of what is true and right will always be protected by us.

And it is either us or China. I prefer us. Although having another USSR in the world might be a good thing. It will focus people's minds on what truly matters again

[-] 1 points by rockyracoon2 (276) 9 years ago

do you live your life in fear, requiring protection? if so, if i may ask, from where does this fear arise?

[-] 1 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 9 years ago

I will not apologize for American Power. Thank God for it. Europeans secretly pray that we exist because they know that Western Civilization and the protection of what is true and right will always be protected by us.

Funniest thing I read on this forum so far. Naive and cute. Very refreshing.

[-] 1 points by The1capitalist (87) 9 years ago

your small minded ideology has blinded you to the realities of the world. What i said was and is true. America is a force for good in this world not the other way around. American alone (with some help from europe) in defeating the scurge of communism.

Although you probably are a communist left wing nut bag, so..... i see why you would disagree

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 9 years ago

;-) & re. 'US Militarism', I think that you might like :

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8494.htm .

fiat pax ...

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 9 years ago

You give the distinct impression of being a proponent of American Exceptionalism & a believer US Hegemony. As such, perhaps you may consider engaging with the following :

a) http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/10/11/the_myth_of_american_exceptionalism ,

b) http://www.usnews.com/opinion/mzuckerman/articles/2011/06/10/americas-fading-exceptionalism ,

c) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12052320 ,

d) http://blog.hiddenharmonies.org/2010/08/map-of-u-s-military-bases-around-the-world/ &

e) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-spectrum_dominance .

IF the above links leave you cold or confused or both, then perhaps some words from Two Past Presidents of the U$A will be of more use :

1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY &

2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E58u3_8oHsY .

This thread was initially about Afghanistan and reasonable & ethical people will be left wondering "what is true and right" about the 10 year US war against Afghanistan & its peoples. Of course similar questions, queries & quandaries remain about The Illegal & Immoral WAR on IRAQ, where The Only W.M.D. were (& still are) ... Words of Mass Deception.

America(ns) - Nosce Te Ipsum / Gnothi Seauton ...

[-] 1 points by whatishumanity (54) 9 years ago

my hope is that people of good conscience recognize, learn and understand the suffering our policies have caused. I love the tenets of liberty and justice that were in place at the beginning, but we are now seen around the world as arrogant warmongers and our people are seen as completely ignorant of what our country does in our name.

[-] 1 points by rayl (1007) 9 years ago

i agree with you. i live in europe and people over here can't understand why americans tolerate what is being done in their name.

[-] 2 points by whatishumanity (54) 9 years ago

those that are aware are ridiculed and called conspiracy theorists. we are supposed to be grateful the 'patriot act' is in place, and that we are the beacon of freedom and liberty for the world.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 9 years ago

@ 'wih' : It is the hearts & minds of people of awareness, empathy & integrity like you, which give hope to many in the rest of the world who yearn for the introduction of compassion, intelligence & sanity into US foreign policy.

Re. The PATRIOT ACT (1000+ pages, ready & prepared for 'Express Install' Less Than 1 month after 9/!!) has done NOTHING to keep USers safe from terror, rather it has made A MOCKERY OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS !!

spero meliora ...

[-] 2 points by whatishumanity (54) 9 years ago

Sadly, the Bill of Rights is no more, We need to remember those that fought for our freedoms and learn what the war of l812 was really all about. Where have all the true patriots gone?

They hate our Constitution, and have worked diligently to dismantle it piece by piece.

[-] 0 points by stevo (314) 9 years ago

Blah blah blah. Just tell us how many more soldiers have died under the Peace Prize winner

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 9 years ago

@ stevo : Re. the number of deaths of US Military Personnel since Obomber came to be the latest Figurehead Emperor, I can't answer your query but the most accurate answer will be found via http://icasualties.org/Iraq/index.aspx & http://icasualties.org/oef/ .

pax nunc ...