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Forum Post: Occupations Refusing to Hold DC Accountable

Posted 2 years ago on Dec. 13, 2011, 4:57 p.m. EST by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL
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There is only one way to change the laws that are currently in place. Goldman Sachs cannot write legislation. They can lobby for it, but it ultimately comes from Congress.

I don think there ever has been a protest as wildly misguided as what this one has turned into. Our first rallies in Tampa had hundreds, some thousands, of people. Now they have next to nothing.

Something happened. OT was full of all parties, all sick of the government. Then there was this big "we're not political" push. And the people all left.

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[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Lets just let the government keep doing what it does best- screw us.

Better yet, lets not try to change anything in DC either. No new parties, candidates, platforms, etc.

Lets just protest and hope they hear us.

This is not NEARLY active and aggresive enough if you want change.

[-] 2 points by Misfit138 (172) 2 years ago

Wall Street has no incentive to change their ways as they know DC will always bail them out. I have been saying since day one that these people need to occupy DC. If Congress feels secure in DC knowing that OWS will only send a dozen people there, why would they feel the need to change a thing. Regardless of personal feelings, the TEA Party got results (not quite what they wanted, but still, they had an affect). OWS is too unorganized and too unfocused to cause any real change and is really just a distraction these days.

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Occupy the Fed, Occupy the Whitehouse, Occupy DC.

Until these are the lead stories, nothing will change.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20531) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

I think we have to work in both directions -

demand fraudulent lending / investing instutitions be held accountable.

demand an end of repelican lies

like this:

Note:

  • BUSHITE Tax Cuts:

  • 1.812 Trillion Dollars

End the Tax Cut for the One Percent!

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Thats a nucleus post, and its terribly flawed, I hope you can see that.

Glad to see you are still voting for criminals. Does it really matter what letter they put after their name anymore?

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20531) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

Thats a nucleus post

um, yes I was, in fact, aware of that; I left a note claiming I was going to steal it and that I really didn't much care if he minded. It isn't his I'm sure - it comes from . . ..

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/jamesfallows/assets_c/2011/07/24editorial_graph2-popup-thumb-560x622-58477.gif

and what else we got?

oh yeah .. .

Does it really matter what letter they put after their name anymore?

Why yes it does - as the graph above so clearly illustrates

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

your graph is totally skewed, on both sides. Too bad youre too much of political hack to look at it.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20531) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

show me

or bring in your own graph

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

There is no QE1 or 2. The tax cuts didnt cost that much money, because no one pays that rate anyways. "According to CTJ, the Bush tax cuts that were passed up through 2006 (the 2001 and 2003 cuts as well as other smaller cuts in 2004, 2005 and 2006) ended up costing the Treasury approximately $2.1 trillion in foregone revenue from 2001 to 2010. CTJ claims that if you add interest payments, that number goes up to around $2.5 trillion.

Wars arent policy changes. They can be started and ended whenever.

Obamacare is a huge payout to the insurance companies, via tax payers, and to not take that into consideration is clueless at best.

Tarp 2 and corporate bailouts not on the list.

Most war stuff these days are counted as apporpriations, meaning they arent on the official budget- nice little trick.

Im just saying that usually these graphs that put one against the other are to prove a partisan point, which this one is clearly skewed in favor of Obama, and does a piss poor job of reflecting the disaster that was Georgie Bush.

This current asshole also extended the Bush tax cuts for the rich, because apparently they werent rich enough. No mention of that either on there.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20531) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

This current asshole also extended the Bush tax cuts for the rich, because apparently they werent rich enough.

He repeatedly urged they be allowed to expire. Congress - repelicans refused. You were awake for the deficit ceiling debate?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

And 99% of the country has such a horrible understanding of the governmental budgeting and prioritizing that they got caught up in the PR bullshit that was the ceiling debate.

Everytime I hear "full faith and credit" - the sheeples sound bite of choice- I cringe.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20531) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

well, that is what it is, faith, that we will not default.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Default is inevitable because we wont stop the spending. This country is an out of control financial train wreck, from the top 1% to the bottom of hte 99%.

Defaulting on credit would have been a choice, not a consequence. Micro view it to your own personal finances. If you own multiple cars, all sorts of excess shit, and no one will give you another credit card, what do you do?

Only a fuckin jack ass would keep all the useless shit and decide to defualt on the current credit cards.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20531) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

I think if we tighten up on tax loopholes, get jobs growth back on track, tighten up on spending, we can get the debt under control -

without forcing granma to choose between cat food for dinner or her daily meds.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

I think so too, but neither party has any desire to do that. This train is running so fast, its impossible to stop.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20531) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

I think you are describing the train of public opinion - see NBC this evening, they have a poll with some interesting insights.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

I was awake for all of it. I helped get him into office. Did you miss the press conference where he signed them?

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20531) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

Not sure -

I seem to recall the talk surrounding the clowns of the super committee. I think I did see it on tv but I was tired or something.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

super fail for public healthcare

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20531) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

don't say that - there has to be some equitable way to improve access to health care for everyone

[-] 0 points by shooz (26706) 2 years ago

It's not OWS. It's republicans refusing to hold Bush accountable, let alone Reagan.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Wow, watch much tv?

[-] 1 points by shooz (26706) 2 years ago

Nope.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

No one is holding anyone accountable for anything.

Please take the partisan political hacking to the kids forum.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26706) 2 years ago

See chart below.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Whats your point shooz?