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Forum Post: Obama’s real gun-control aim....

Posted 5 years ago on Feb. 19, 2013, 11:08 p.m. EST by kendallone (-28)
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Chicago is a dangerous town, but gun control hasn’t made it better. The city forbids the law-abiding from having guns, leaving the bad guys to rule the streets. The result is one of the highest murder rates in the country. President Obama’s plan isn’t to reverse from a failed course, but to apply federal gun registration and confiscation of certain weapons nationwide.

Addressing students at Hyde Park Academy last week, Mr. Obama recalled the recent murder of Hadiya Pendleton, a teenager. “It’s not unique to Chicago,” he said. “It’s not unique to this country. Too many of our children are being taken away from us.”

The rising homicide rate actually is unique to the president’s hometown. The 506 murders last year reflected a 16 percent increase over the previous year. According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, this happened while the rest of the country saw a 2 percent decrease in homicides; the national rate is at its lowest point since 1963.

Mr. Obama reiterated his legislative priorities: bans on the so-called assault weapon and high-capacity magazine, and background checks for every private gun exchange. However, it’s not as if the president really believes these bills would do anything to reduce crime or prevent mass shootings.

The National Rifle Association’s Institute for Legislative Action acquired a research document prepared last month by the Justice Department’s research arm, the National Institute of Justice. The report, titled “Summary of Select Firearm Violence Prevention Strategies,” explains that a “complete elimination of assault weapons would not have a large impact on gun homicides.” It further noted banning guns with certain scary-looking features “could be effective” if the government outlawed all existing firearms, and bought them all.

Similarly, the Justice report asserts that the only way to achieve the “goal to reduce the lethality of guns” with a ban on magazines over 10 rounds would be by a “massive reduction in supply.” It recommends not “grandfathering” the hundreds of millions of existing magazines, but implementing an “extensive buyback” program. Even then, it would “take decades to realize.”

In a speech on Thursday, Wayne LaPierre of the National Rifle Association said the president’s true agenda with his “universal background check” proposal was “the national registration of every single gun owner in the country.” The Justice Department memo recommends the creation of a national gun registry to make background checks for private gun sales useful for the government.

The report says registering every gun purchase in the country would “increase owner responsibility,” enable “monitoring” of multiple gun purchases in a short period of time and “improve law enforcement’s ability to retrieve guns from owners” prohibited from possessing firearms. That’s code for confiscation. The National Institute of Justice did not respond to questions about who in the administration asked for the research and whether it was given to the White House.

The document puts the administration’s plans into context. Mr. Obama and his allies want to know who owns every single gun in this country, and if they think a gun is scary looking, they will take it away.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/19/obamas-real-gun-control-aim/#ixzz2LPRV5V3T Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter



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[-] 9 points by UnFriendlyObserverC (43) 5 years ago

Great idea. Let's give up our guns and disarm our population to a Govt who:

  • Recently has invaded several sovereign nations and killed 100's of thousands of their men, women, children, puppies, kittens and butterflies.
  • Has a military presence in more than 130 nations.
  • executes U.S. citizens with drones without due process of law.
  • ignores our nation's Bill of rights.
  • Has publicly beaten, pepper sprayed, tear gassed and jailed protesters who were exercising their 1st amendment right.
  • Has passed shameful laws against it's citizens such as NDAA, CU.
  • Ignores the right of habeas corpus.
  • Has recently created very intrusive Govt institutions such as Homeland Security. Inventing reasons to Spy on U.S. citizens.
  • Implementing more spy technics against U.S. Citizens. Tapping phones, e-mails. Drones, etc, etc, etc.
  • supports and practices torture technics.
  • has chosen to waste our nation's resources on imperialistic global ambitions at the detriment of the citizens sovereign interests.
  • lied giving false reasons to start preemptive wars.
  • has the highest incarceration per capita than any nation.
  • whose leaders are highly aggressive and warmongering.
  • exhibits more and more fascist tendencies.
  • who have packed the judicial system with activists judges.
  • Has allowed money to dominate our political system.
  • Has Gerrymandered political districts thereby ensuring the re-election of a Congress with a 9% approval rating.
  • are puppets for Globalist Corporations.
  • Has promoted trade policies that has crippled our nation's industrial base. Thus bankrupting local govt's budget to afford their communities adequate police service.

-etcetera, etc, etc.

[-] 6 points by Banned (6) 5 years ago

Good Post. A few more. ---Bay of Tonkin Incident

---Atomic Veterans

---Sacrifice Zones

---Monsanto control of FDA, USDA

---Contra cocaine for arms swap

---Operation Ajax

---Allende overthrow

---military contractors that rape anything slower than them

---Agent Orange

---uranium slugs

---Fast & Furious

---Operation Gladio

---allows Fracking

---Bay of Tonkin Incident/Vietnam

[-] 5 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 years ago

Just remember Money Rules our lives much more than government

destruction cannot be profitable

it only destroys goods, properties and people

war is used to take from others

it produces nothing on it's own

building bombs 'til bunkers boil

getting paid for shell filled toil

if I am to work tomorrow

lobe the load on foreign soil

yep US only pays 41% of the total world military budget

World Military budget in Billions (percent total) by Nation

  • 1,630 World Total
  • 711 United States 41%
  • 143 China 8.2%
  • 71.9 Russia 4.1%
  • 62.7 United Kingdom 3.6 %
  • 62.5 France 3.6%
  • 54.5 Japan 3.3&
  • 48.2 Saudi Arabia 2.8%
  • 46.8 India 2.5%
  • 46.7 Germany 2.8%
  • 37.0 Italy 2.3%


Global Arms Sales By Supplier Nations

39% United States

18% Russia

8% France

7% United Kingdom

5% Germany

3% China

3% Italy

11% Other European

5% Others


TOP 10 Arms Produces

Notes: An S denotes a subsidiary company. A dash (–) indicates that the company did not rank among the SIPRI Top 100 for 2009

  • Lockheed Martin USA 35,730 33,430 78
  • BAE Systems UK 32,880 32,540 95
  • Boeing USA 31,360 32,300 49
  • Northrop Grumman USA 28,150 27,000 81
  • General Dynamics USA 23,940 23,380 74
  • Raytheon USA 22,980 23,080 91
  • BAE Systems Inc. (BAE Systems, UK) USA 17,900 19,280 100
  • EADS Trans-European 16,360 15,930 27
  • Finmeccanica Italy 14,410 13,280 58
  • L-3 Communications USA 13,070 13,010 83
  • United Technologies USA


Widow Winchester's riffle wealth warped her house.

Stairs to ceilings. Windows to walls.

Always slept in a new room,

hiding from shot souls


[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

Let's keep buying guns and such from the folks that made it that way?

I hope you're not expecting that to work in a positive fasion.

[-] 2 points by OWSEVERYWHERE (9) 5 years ago

Yes, you are correct. The 2nd amendment was to guard against the tyranny of Govt (NOT so people could hunt or protect their homes). If you're one who doesn't believe that, please do us all a favor and educate yourself by researching the link below:


[-] 1 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 5 years ago

BRAVO ! - well stated !

[-] 1 points by BIGBRUISER (-4) 5 years ago

Holy crap!!! With a Gov't like we have, we shouldn't ban assault rifles, M1A2 tanks, f-29's or aircraft carriers from our citizens. The way the tyranny in Gov't is growing, it looks like our citizens will reluctantly need their guns for more than just duck hunting.

[-] 0 points by Builder (4202) 5 years ago

The H5N1 virus would kill everyone in a week, BB.

Not a trigger in sight.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago


[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 5 years ago

That's what I thought when I read it last night. Kick-ass comment. Well worth 'best comment' status.

[-] 0 points by BlueMonday (-154) 5 years ago

dont leave out the arming of various govt agencies with billion of round of hollow point ammo.

[-] 3 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 5 years ago

It has never been about "gun control".Just another in a very long line of people control measures. Must be something wrong when we have a goverment that wants to inspect ,control,regulate.secure.etc.,Every single facet of our lives. I wonder who owns these people.Perhaps we should have a Wee Bit of politician control.

[-] -3 points by BlueMonday (-154) 5 years ago

its all part of Agenda 21

[-] 1 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 5 years ago

Had to look that one up.I would agree to just about anything if it would shut the trap of Glen Beck.

[+] -4 points by BlueMonday (-154) 5 years ago

you did not research Agenda 21. its real and happening all over the USA.

[-] 2 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 5 years ago

Research no, I am not a Phd candidate.Wiki yes.How much do I need to know?If Glen Beck is for it I am against and vise versa.

[-] -2 points by kendallone (-28) 5 years ago

So,you're really closed minded and bigoted? I think you're just afraid you might find yourself being influenced by Beck or any other Conservative because you're insecure with your ideology.

[-] 2 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 5 years ago

You may be on to somthing Ken doll.than again maybe not.

[-] -3 points by BlueMonday (-154) 5 years ago

wikipedia is not a source that is reliable.get past whatever you have against beck and READ about agenda 21 from various sites.

[-] 2 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 5 years ago

Good advice.I will look deeper into this.It also has nothing to do with Beck's ideology.In fact he has none.His only motive in life is profit.

[+] -4 points by BlueMonday (-154) 5 years ago

you brought up beck, i didnt.

[-] 3 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 5 years ago

He seems to hawk it like snake oil.I know this yet do not own a tv.Our corporate media goes very deep.

[-] -2 points by BlueMonday (-154) 5 years ago

i dont listen/ watch, read beck. do your own research on agenda 21. read from various sites. draw your own conclusions.

[-] 3 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 5 years ago

You must know that he is the American version to Herr Gobbles. Every good goverment needs a good propaganda. And every good propaganda needs a good goverment. Why would he latch onto this issue?We know that he is motivated by money,But he also must do the bidding of his wealthy masters.What could be the motive of Becks masters?

[-] -3 points by BlueMonday (-154) 5 years ago

as i have said,..............i do not watch/read/listen to beck. my knowledge of agenda 21 has been gained on my own. why are you making beck the object of your interest instead of AGENDA 21?

[-] 1 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 5 years ago

Beck is a subject because he is our one true.media patriot .You see the video Duck vs Beck.How dare they use a Duck to slander our hero.But our hero did respond.A very strong and robust responce.Herr Gobbles would have been so proud.How he could articulate his contempt for the evil behind the red commie Union free stuff loving socialist Mr.Duck.

[+] -5 points by BlueMonday (-154) 5 years ago

no, its not a " occult group",.............do a search and read up on it.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

Um.................but, you can own guns in Chicago. So, right off the bat we have lie number one. I trust 'em moar. now. Which makes the next lie really funny. Because that would be the reason that Chicago has one of the highest murder rates.

Yep. It's clear now.




[-] -1 points by Narley (272) 5 years ago

This is very recent. I don’t know all the details, but if memory serves, a man sued the city because he couldn’t have a gun in his house. The judge ruled in the man’s favor and now people can have guns in their homes. I don’t think Illinois has conceal carry so you can’t take the gun out with you. Again, not sure, but I think there are rules about having the gun locked up and unloaded.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

I just want to make sure that I heard you correctly, this chic here:

Emily Miller, Senior Editor for Opinion, was deputy press secretary for Secretaries of State Colin L. Powell and Condoleezza Rice. Her political experience also includes working on Capitol Hill as a press secretary and as the communications director to then-House Majority Whip Tom DeLay. Miller's journalism experience ranges from being a columnist at AOL's Politics Daily to associate producer at ABC News. She started her career as a desk assistant at NBC News.

wasn't bright enough to remember this case here which incorporated the 2nd amendment and has been out since oh...........2010. Nobody managed to catch that.

This folks is how we lose rights.

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 5 years ago

sweet website.

[-] 1 points by Narley (272) 5 years ago

OK, It’s late and I’m tired. So that’s why I don’t understand what you’re saying. Not trying to be rude. But what do you mean?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

Then when you aren't tired, go back and read it.

[-] 0 points by HCabret (-327) 5 years ago

I sincerely hope that he succeeds in his efforts.

[-] -1 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 5 years ago

Yep. Something's afoot.

And it's not about reducing homicides.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

You said And it's not just their finances they're worried about.

Mostly I think people will be loyal to their jobs and want to keep good money and benefits. They will put up with a lot. You go to the thrid world ... hey, maybe they will put up with anything as a general rule. I met a woman in Turkey who was sexually harrassed and physically handled. But she kept her job. She wanted the job and she wanted the money or benenfits whatever they were.

Americans will do many things for the Job.

Obviously many managers have worked through the layoffs over the last 27 years or however long in the USA. They are motivated my money or even just keeping a jobs that pays well.

You said Transparency. To do so would be to open up huge can of worms. Yes, first to the agencies that operate in secrecy (secret). But the government hires supervisors and directors and they aren't really legal or permanent unless they have been justificed and documented. And their offices, office budgets, computers, staff, utilities, cell phones, whatever have to be justified by documents and authorizations and all of that ... has to be accountable in computer systems, automated inventories, and financial reports.

The point is that if financial reports are not possible, and accountable records are not validated, and if everything can't be pulled onto a master docuement for the agency ... then no one knows what fraud has been commited... no one knows if spending is justified ... no one can say that government funds have been carefully spend ... no one can say that federal dollars haven't been wasted ...or that funds haven't been spent to duplicate other government funding or functions.

[-] -2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 5 years ago

That makes sense. Especially nowadays, I'm sure most people will put up with a lot to keep their jobs. And 'whistleblower' isn't something most people want on their resume. Also, it would probably be just about impossible to keep track of every dollar, or expenditure, in government for a various reasons, some of which you pointed out below.

[-] 0 points by Narley (272) 5 years ago

In spite of what some folks on this forum say, it really is about taking ALL the guns. Just one step at a time. Some people say that’s not true, others say “Hell Yes!”, we want all the guns gone.

So, I suggest the paranoia of gun owners is justified. They know what’s going on. If they give an inch the government will take a mile.

[-] -3 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 5 years ago

I agree. I haven't weighed in on the gun debate on this forum much, but I'm convinced it won't stop with assault weapons and large-capacity clips. And with a national registry of ALL gun ownership, when or if shit hits the fan, they'll know the first houses to go to. It's about confiscation and control, not about reducing homicides.

[-] 1 points by BlueMonday (-154) 5 years ago

you're right. its all about confiscation.

[-] 0 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 5 years ago

I also haven't weighed in on the Sandy Hook incident, but something I found to be quite intriguing is that, apparently, the United Way created its Sandy Hook relief page three days before the actual shooting:


After a firestorm of Internet buzz about it, they've since changed it:


[-] 0 points by BlueMonday (-154) 5 years ago

i knew about that page. newtown was a set up by barry & co.

[-] -1 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 5 years ago

Yeah, I've been highly suspect about that incident since Day 1. And although most Americans would never believe our fearless leaders would willingly set up such a crime I beg to differ. They do that kind of shit all the time (drone strikes). But let's not tread too far down the Sandy Hook road lest the admins shadow ban this thread because it's a 'conspiracy theory.'

[-] -1 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 5 years ago

Maybe we should inform the mods about this ridiculous, offensive, partisan conspiracy theory.

Fuckin wack jobs!

[-] 7 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

I try to look at both sides or many sides. All US Politicians were aware of the Russian Revolution after WWI. Therefore all Politicians know that if people believe they don't have the information, if there is a coverup, if there is a conspiracy, if they are being lied to, ... there is always a chance that the American People will rise up and revolt.

The problem is you get 3 ego to sit together it is like high school. each wants to be smarter than the other and cut it closer to the edge. "Hey, the people are so stupid they can't question the doctor's reports in JFKs death, can't question the official report on MLK death, and since we control all the data and information - they have no choice but to believe our political leaders. We just have to give them some political leaders who will stand up and tell them the conclusion".

1) We know the CIA Brought Drugs back from VIetnam
2) We know the CIA Paid off the Media in Operation Mockingbird from the Church Committee
3) We know that DEA agents were flying drugs on Military planes
4) We know that CIA, DEA, and US Military were dealing drugs and selling arms to Iran, while training killers in Hondoras
5) We know the military was used to secure corporate interests in the 19th Century
6) We know we faked the start of Vietnam, so we could get in a war there, but knew we could never be attacked by Vietnam in the USA.
7) We know we lied about WMDs in Iraq
8) We know Soldiers were guarding Poppies in Afghanistan
9) We know Oil is a key Strategic Resource for any country in the world
10) We know our US Way of life seems to depend on this culture of war that our Military must be ready to fight, go to war, and for our politicans to approve the war or at least the funding for war. We know we have a military empire that is strengthened by going to war in foreign countries.
11) We know that we fund NATO and that NATO countries ahve staged terror attacks in many NATO Countries in a Strategy of Tension to keep countries and people against communism and against socialism and against the left wing.

These might be conspiracies, but they are not theories.

12) We know that Alcohol, Drunk Driving, Knife Assaults, Blunt Instrument Assaults, Prescirption Drugs prescribed by a doctor, and beating people to death by hand kills more people that all the Assault Rifle killings in the USA by Year. There is no reason to take away legal guns, ... but big Joe Biden and Uncle Obama want to take away the 2nd Amendment. For no reason. Conspiracy. Yes. Clearly.

And what is with the full spectrum incompetency of the federal government. GAO Audit says can't tell what the financial health of the government is since DOD and DHS don't account for spending and are not auditable. Fast & Furious. Looks DOD spending has been a problem for 40 years, since Vietnam. They have been budgeting fixes all through the 1980s-2000s for automated equipment. If they were going to comply to audit rules and full auditing they would ahve by now. not only that they would have developed DHS as fully auditable from the begining. But they didn't. You have a secret federal police force with a secret budget and secret facilities that will use enhanced interogation techniques and rendition in the USA ... and will probably develope duplicate intelligence abilities as the NSA & FBI just because it is someones private empire.

In fact if the governemnt was putting weapons in space or had prgrams to control the weather ... it would not tell us. Because these are military secrets. They are conspiracies. real conspiracies that are true in so far as we have programs ... we just don't know how successful they are or if they are really strong and make a big difference in the world.

I'll tell you this. Drones that are the size of a small bird or tennis ball are at least 7 years old. It was a conspiracy called compartmental information.

[-] 7 points by TwinkleMe (29) 5 years ago

Agreed. It's impossible to prove all these conspiracies when our Govt conceals so much information from their citizens. Mountains of files are classified as 'Top Secret" "Secret" "Confidental". The Govt always has SO MUCH to hide. There's always a new 'Boogie Man" to blame for keeping the Citizens in the dark. Hiding "Secrets" from the Nazis. From the Soviets. From the Terriorists. The only constant is they are always hiding information from us, The People. Today's Free Press "Watchdogs" are nothing more than Corporate owned propaganda machines. The hard questions are not being asked.

Only a fool would give their trust to a shadowy Govt who has so much to hide from it's citizens. The sheep who have been indoctrinated to ridicule conspiracy theories are cheerleaders for corrupt traitors. For the people who are tired of conspiracy theories, try getting our Govt to reveal their "Secrets". Good luck with that one !! Until that never happens, get used to hearing about them.

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 5 years ago

Here's why building 7 had to be "pulled" on Sept. 11 2001.

A NATION CHALLENGED: THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY; Secret C.I.A. Site in New York Was Destroyed on Sept. 11 By JAMES RISEN Published: November 4, 2001

WASHINGTON, Nov. 3— The Central Intelligence Agency's clandestine New York station was destroyed in the Sept. 11 attack on the World Trade Center, seriously disrupting United States intelligence operations while bringing the war on terrorism dangerously close to home for America's spy agency, government officials say.

The C.I.A.'s undercover New York station was in the 47-story building at 7 World Trade Center, one of the smaller office towers destroyed in the aftermath of the collapse of the twin towers that morning. All of the agency's employees at the site were safely evacuated soon after the hijacked planes hit the twin towers, the officials said.

The intelligence agency's employees were able to watch from their office windows while the twin towers burned just before they evacuated their own building.

Immediately after the attack, the C.I.A. dispatched a special team to scour the rubble in search of secret documents and intelligence reports that had been stored in the New York station, either on paper or in computers, officials said. It could not be learned whether the agency was successful in retrieving its classified records from the wreckage.

A C.I.A. spokesman declined to comment.


[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

Archive 1999 on Terrorism Preparedness and the Need for Funding anti-terrorism efforts and prepare for Chemical and Biological Weapons proliferation and dispersal by the end of the USSR and possible threat to US Cities (My words, you have to check the link as I just scanned it a little)

"...The administration’s plans to increase funding for Nunn-Lugar and its companion programs by some 65 percent over the next five years is a testament to the program’s value and its contributions to US national security. The reason for these increases is clear. Conditions in Russia are worse. The Russian economic collapse in August 1998 exacerbated many problems.

The fundamental question is whether there exists sufficient political will, particularly in the Congress, to devote requisite resources to these programs..."

http://cns.miis.edu/cbw/cbw02_older.htm (oldest reports on US Domestic Preparedness see under upload in 2000, Americas)
Nunn-Lugar-Domenici Domestic Preparedness & WMD Civil - CNS

Lugar is from the Senate Intellegence Committee and the problem has always been Funding, how to get more Funding to implement recommendations from the Terrorism Drills/Emergency Execises

Dick Lugar is a United States Senator from Indiana. He is the senior Republican member of the Senate Foreign Relations and Senate Intelligence Committees

Good Link Builder, i didn't know anything about that... in NYTimes.

[+] -5 points by oldJohn (-646) 5 years ago

You conspiracy theorists are hilarious. Keep it up, the laughs are enjoyable.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 5 years ago

I'm trying for a shadow ban.

How's tricks, Trashy?

[-] 1 points by Renneye (3874) 5 years ago

Sure! I'll twinkle ya! Great post!!

[-] 0 points by TwinkleMe (29) 5 years ago

Thanks for the twinkle. Twinkles on down the line.

Sounds like a "Twinkle Conspiracy" to me. That proves our point.

[-] 3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 years ago

twinkle twinkle little star

is a note jump of a fifth

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

B# you'll C!

[-] 0 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 5 years ago

So, when are you going to get around to 'twinkle' me? ~.^

Hiiiii, Renneye!

And in regards to the comment right below here, I agree. MA is one smart cookie.

[-] 0 points by Renneye (3874) 5 years ago

Lolol!! I'll twinkle ya when you deserve it! Now, get to work!!

Ma is some kind of wonderful!

[-] 0 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 5 years ago

Well, when I get my post done (made good progress today, btw), I'll be expectin' some twinkling from ya, got it?

[-] 1 points by Renneye (3874) 5 years ago

Uh-huh, well...we'll just have to see about that! ^.~

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 years ago

drones that small may lack long range remote antenna

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

But would be great for looking in your back window while parked around the corner... Or you can sit on a roof top and peak in on someone across the street.

[-] 1 points by obombya (11) 5 years ago

Good stuff.

[-] 1 points by Renneye (3874) 5 years ago

Wow...just WOW!!

I think this one falls into one of the top 2 or 3 of your posts Ma! Bravo!

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

Thanks Ma'am,... Just doin' ma Job....

[-] 2 points by 1776 (34) from Glen Head, NY 5 years ago

Grand Slam post M.A. WOW is right.

Original thought is nice to see. The links by other posters for Youtube or Chris Hedges, Chomsky articles has gotten old.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago


[-] 0 points by DSamms (-294) 5 years ago

Of course we have weapons in space. China does as well. Not so long ago, the military fired a missile down the Pacific missile test range from Vandenberg. It was intercepted and destroyed downrange, very unexpectedly, by the Chinese. This prompted the USG to deploy Marines (250) to Australia immediately...

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

I didn't know that. I sort of remember a test failure. I definetly remember the Chinese Demonstration of their Space Based Weapon. There is a guy that put out stuff on the US Militarization of Space. I found it reasonable, but hard to prove or ... maybe in the USA we look for government documents to explain. One of the posters here on this forum is a giant Star Wars Program fan. He says there is great evidence of the success of the few Star Wars programs leading ...to todays current technology. So, yes, we have Space Weapons and Wikipedia talks about them.

I don't follow space weapons. Progressive writers of fiction warn against the dangers of taking our wars of the earth and having battles in the near space. I guess this is what I was talking about. There is some stories about our spacemen actually defending or getting into offensive struggles while in orbit. But satelite to satelite fighting seems more probable.

[-] 0 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 5 years ago

Very good read.Thanks!

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

Thanks again...

[-] -1 points by MagicalBoy (-18) 5 years ago

Government secrets are not conspiracies. That's what the military does. They create defense mechanisms. Obviously, they don't share those mechanisms with other countries because that would defeat the purpose. I'm not sure what your point is.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

Well there is a spectrum of secrets, an expense associated with secrets and automated and manual secret storage or data processing, and ... don't we want to minimize secrets in the words of Thomas Jefferson (I could be wrong on the quote). Democracy depends on people knowing what their government is doing and knowing the truth about their history.

In fact today you can probably get in big trouble for disclosing something that is not secret or classifed. I don't mean sensitive contract bids... I don't mean personal information of employees. We have information that is called official, or for official use only, or restricted, and sensitive. Anyway ... i don't know much more about that.

Today, we have more classified info than ever. And we have over a million contractors working for us with secret clearances. It is like a party so many people have access to secret info. Probably you have to include some telephone companies like AT&T.

And do you think we have an effective system for declassifying secrets or information about US Presidents? Well it is our history, but we don't want to hurt anyones feelings by releasing info after a president dies or gets old... they might still be involved in politics and be questioned about their decisions as leaders or advisors to our government.

But isn't that the point. We can't really go to congress and confront congressmen with questions about their actions, finances, decisions, and our US History. We depend on Congress coming clean about the CIA and military activities ... we depend on Congress to monitor and oversee the CIA and Military. But you know and I know that aint happening. The CIA has a whole list of convert actions for regime change ... and some times they do illegal things to get the funds to do what they want. Now we all are sure the CIA is just following it's mission, but this has gotten it into a lot of trouble. And the Congressmen who oversee the CIA have basically just gotten in bed with the CIA rather than manage them and supervise them.

Do you know your country's history? What happened in that Military Coup against FDR? Don't you think we could see the documents and interview info about this Coup by now, about 80 years later.

Recently I saw the minutes of the Lawsuit by the King Family, Corretta Scott King, and it seems the US Military, the Local Police Force, and the Local Fire department all were invovled in a conspiracy in the Murder of MLK. But ... the info is lost to history.

So our classification system in the USA for our secrets is Broken. Maybe all secrets should be released or 90% released after 10 years. The last 10% should be military programs that give us an advantage. Info about our US Presidents and Congressmen should be unrestricted - since it is our history and we need that info to vote in all of our Elections in order to preserve history.

In fact we should have a mechanism to correct congressmen if they tell a half truth or a lie or even just mislead the public. It was supposed to be a "Free Press", but that didn't work out. The press has financial interests and politican relationships.

What is your proposal for ferreting out the truth in media & politics??

By the way your post reflects a lack of Values on your part. You don't care if the US Starts wasteful wars, destroys countries & Families & Businesses ... you have no feelings for foreign people that get raped, murdered, get diseases in refugee camps, get killed or maimed ... or if they live with land mines in the ground 30 years old that take out and main kids today?

It is not conservative what Wall Street banks did to cause the 2008 Financial Crisis. There is little conservative about war 5 thousand miles from your shore against people that can't fire a rocket or missile to hit the USA. There is nothing conservative about the over $5 Trillion spend on DOD in the last 12 years. There is nothing conservative about the cost of rebuilding a country destroyed by war.

[-] 1 points by whaddyathink (-89) from Millville, NJ 5 years ago

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -Benjamin Franklin

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

It looks like US Foreign Policy is incorrect.

Actually I think the current US Foreign Policy came out of the years before the Korean War (which was not declared by the way). Everything out of Washington DC seems steeped in politics from by gone centuries by the way. I don't see much progressive legislation really. Activists forced major progressive laws in the 1960s ... ending with the laws that ended Vietnam. So you have the civil rights act, the right to vote for blacks, the the right to work place safety, and the rights of unions, and then the end of Vietnam.

But all US wars actually pull us backward in our evolution or detract from our progression or enlightened leadership.

Sure we have to have a tough military to be the World Super Power. We have to exercise the forces to keep militaries tough. That is what the Special forces are for ... they can screw with forign military forces and plant bombs on military installations. The point is to target installation facilities or military targets. Why waste an army on thugs and cut-throroats. You send your army to fight some other army. Don't attack people without navys, air forces, or armies... It is total overkill, a massive drain on tax dollars, and dehumanizing & immoral.

End the expensive military actions, and replace them with intelligence work, feild work, FBI netowrks, CIA networks, and work through all embassies to make raids. If you can't get Eastern Pakistan to agree to raids and arrests, then you focus on protecting borders, seaports, airports. Don't bomb weddings, funerals or neiborhoods.

Liberty seems to have something to do with not being judged and not being persecuted. Soveriegnty.

Maybe we have to question what it means to be a super power and if we want to be all the things that implies in terms of war, military force, enhanced interogation techniques, rendition, and the effect of US Military stationed in each country in terms of crime, rape, protests about use of bombs in training areas, environmental damage from bombs or industrial fluids......

Maybe if our government dehumanizes people in Asia or South America or where ever ... they see us common people the same way. They want your land, they take it with eminent domain. Your population gets to big to control, they take away Consitutional Rights and the Bill of Rights.

[-] 2 points by obombya (11) 5 years ago

OK Boy. Move along now. Nothing to see here. Drink some more KoolAid and go back to sleep now. Remember what you've been told. There are no Conspiracies. Look at the swinging watch. no conspiracies. look at the watch. no conspiracies. Your eyelids are getting Heavy....no conspiracies...heavy..heavy...Sleep.sleep...sleep...zzzz...zzz...zz....z...............

[-] -2 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 5 years ago

Very interesting. Do you also think Pres Obama "set up" the Newtown massacre Like gnomunny.& Bluemonday?

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 5 years ago

I never said shit about Obama setting anything up. The government's a lot bigger than one guy. Or haven't you figured that out yet?

[-] 0 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 5 years ago

You agreed with bluemonday when he said it was barry and company. And you did offer some ridiculous conspiracy evidence of a web newtown page released 3 days early.

So just embrace your inner conspiracy wackiness.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 5 years ago

Wrong as usual, dumb fuck. Like I told you a long time ago, your comprehension skills suck. You read into comments what you want to read into them. Here's exactly what I said, then I guess I'll have to explain it to you. Quote:

"Yeah, I've been highly suspect about that incident since Day 1."

Meaning, "yes I've had suspicions about the incident," NOT "yes I believe Obama set it up." Any clearer now? Probably not.

And how do you explain the fact that the United Way page was set up three days earlier? That's not conspiracy, that's FACT. If you'd bother to go to the first link it will show you exactly how to find out when the page was set up. And if there was nothing to hide, why did the United Way change it after the fact came to light? That's on the second link. OR, if you'd bother to go to THIS link, it tells you two or three ways to find out when the page was originally created:


But I already know you too well V, you won't do that. Because your not interested in learning anything that might upset your extremely narrow worldview. Or anything that might actually question how fucking evil this goddamn government really is, since you worship it so much.

What I find sad is the very people on this forum that should trust this government the LEAST (the minorities) are the very ones that think the government is the answer to our problems.

You're still the biggest joke on this forum, by the way. I thought I'd seen an improvement in you recently, but apparently that assessment was premature. You're still the same ol' VQ.

[-] -2 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 5 years ago

You sound like the fuckin wack job I've always known you to be. You can keep your conspiracy theories, I ain't interested.

[-] 0 points by BlueMonday (-154) 5 years ago

obama is too stupid to set up anything but his owners are not . " by any means necessary"

[-] -1 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 5 years ago

You said "newtown was set up by Barry & company". Why back off now?.

Your a fuckin wack job. Just embrace it.

[-] 1 points by BlueMonday (-154) 5 years ago

barry is the front man,......"& company" are the people that do the planning and give the orders.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago
[-] -2 points by BlueMonday (-154) 5 years ago

Yes, I am.

[-] -1 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 5 years ago

I don't buy your conspiracy theory.

[-] -1 points by BlueMonday (-154) 5 years ago

it's not for sale.

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 5 years ago

I never mentioned shit about 'partisan' VQ. I said 'government.' That would include ALL political affiliations. Get it?

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 5 years ago

Cue "inclusionman" coming to the rescue.

What a painful prick it is.

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 5 years ago

Heheheh. And probably the rest of his usernames. And backup team. They're practically taking over the forum. Sad really.

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 5 years ago

There's whole threads where he argues with himself.

Might be confined to a chair or something.

DKA used to keep him in his place.

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 5 years ago

Oh yeah, it cracks me up when I see him using two different usernames to essentially talk to himself. Hilarious. He thinks no one notices.

[-] 0 points by VQkagI (-4) from Great Neck, NY 5 years ago

You're right. VQ probably has a dozen+ usernames on this site.

[-] -3 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 5 years ago

You also think the Newtown massacre was setup by Pres Obama?

If so then the forum could use a rescue from you, Gno, and bluemon.

[-] -3 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 5 years ago

You're a fuckin wacko conspiracy theorist.

What are you saying now, you think the republicans setup the Newtown massacre? Please.

This particular conspiracy crap goes one way. Against gun control advocates. Is that both parties? Or is that a partisan attack?.

Fuckin wacko bastard.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 5 years ago

Typical VQ bullshit. Someone says something against your God Obama and you have an absolute shit fit. I'll say this one more time: you're a clueless idiot. Now fuck off. Don't respond to me again.

[+] -4 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 5 years ago

What delusion are you living under that makes you think you can TELL ME not to respond.?

Don't comment if you don't want responses. Ignore my responses if you like. That is the extent of your authority, you fuckin wack job conspiracy partisan.

And you didn't answer any questions because you can't!!! You know I'm right!!! And you motherfucker are WRONG!!!

[-] 0 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 5 years ago

How much do they pay you for defending this administration?

[-] 0 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 5 years ago

I have not defended the administration. I've accused some wack jobs of being conspiracy nuts, and no pays me for that, that's my pleasure.

Do you also think Pres Obama set up the Newtown massacre?

[-] 0 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 5 years ago

I think most people question the really bizarre coincidence. I also think this government is capable of anything and that most .consider the event suspect.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 5 years ago

You're talking to a wall man. He's the same guy that advocated for a one-world government (but then backed off big-time after finding out how unpopular it is on here), praised the bombing of Libya because, in his words, it was all about "getting rid of the evil Kaddafi," and thinks the US should be the policemen of the world because, also in his words "nobody's big enough or powerful enough to stop us."

But hold on for a few minutes, because he'll probably be showing up soon to call me a liar. You're better off not wasting time trying to talk sense with him. Or his other usernames, VQkag2, Imagine40, inclusionman, etc.

[-] -3 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 5 years ago

"most consider the event suspect"? LOL. No. Only the morons who think we were victims of the native Americans. I think that is about 5 people. And your all on this forum today. LOL "Most"? whatta fuckin moron.

[-] -2 points by BlueMonday (-154) 5 years ago

the motto of the the obama administration is " by any means necessary". do some reading on http://lamecherryblogspot.com/

[-] -1 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 5 years ago

That's the motto of all administrations. 'Collateral damage' is now an accepted cost of doing business.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

I agree, that is why Chinese products are a threat, horse meat is in the food system, and that is why no one in congress almost will say anything about Drone Strikes rhat kill kids and women and civilian innocent men.

The corpoation knows and by rubbing off congress know that lawsuits can be fought off at a low cost and are acceptable. Not many can win in a lawsuit delayed for 10 years only to find the taxes on the damages won for legal fees can leave you broke.

And of course government has sovereign immunity from lawsuits.

[-] 0 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 5 years ago

Yep, DC's nothing but a criminal cartel. They've learned a lot from the Mafia and the Nazis, both of whom the feds have been in bed with since WWII.


[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

I always think about Ron Brown, but never surfed the internet about it. And now I'm not sure why they would have to kill Ron Brown. I guess I haven't thought about it for 10 years. All plane crashes are suspect in my eyes. Can you say what you know about why Ron Brown had to be taken out.

I;ll do a web search on it now and see what turns up.

[-] 0 points by BlueMonday (-154) 5 years ago

bernard schwartz of Loral, clinton adminstration gave missile guidance systems to the chinese, through the dept of commerce , NOT dept of defense. ron brown was sec. of commerce, knew too much

[-] -2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 5 years ago

You know, I have a 20 page report sitting here detailing Ron Brown's death and quite a bit more. If you're really interested, maybe I can figure out a way to get a copy to you. PM me if you're interested.

[-] -1 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 5 years ago

Yeah, there are more than a few skeletons in the Clinton closet. And considering Clinton was a pussycat compared to daddy Bush I'm sure they have quite the body count themselves.

[-] 4 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

Thinking about it... seems like NAFTA and Commerce department would be at odds with military & CIA in the 1990s. Clearly the CIA knew the value of having financing, financial managers, financial strategies, bankers ... with the Global Economy coming to fruition ... looks like the CIA would have to form new relationships with people in interational trade ... and more important they would want to take advantage of international free trade ... rather than fight against it.

I'm not sure what that means. I have to think about it. Mostly toady it seems all government lawyers and bankers, and wall street bankers, and the big conglomerates are all in on

1) Offshore Banking
2) Offshore production, training, services, outsourcing
3) Mercenaries from other countries
4) Control of Drugs, Oil and Precious Metals/Minerals
5) Cheap Labor
6) Power in General
7) Networking and Networks in General of all kinds
8) Controlling people, Controlling Laws, Controlling Politics

[-] -1 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 5 years ago

Yeah, it's such a tangled web, and there are so many facts we aren't privy to, it's hard to put all the pieces together sometimes. Which is the way they like it, of course. I'm not the most intuitive guy in the world, but I think my radar's pretty good, and if it feels like something just 'doesn't compute' I start wondering what's going on behind the curtain.

And I was going thru some old threads the other day and came across some references to Operation . . ., well, let's call it Operation 'G' because if I spell it out, this post might get pulled like the original post was. But in a nutshell, it sure paints a much different picture as to the lengths this government will go to to achieve its aims. And why I have suspicions about Sandy Hook.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

Yeah, I'm not 100% about the posting rules.


I guess you have stalkers in the forum. But I'm not really sure about Sandy Hook as anything but what it seems. I don't really see the news that everyone sees on TV, Cable. The incompetence of the Police in releasing info to the Media ... is a familiar theme. Most of the problems with Law, government & Politics were pretty clear in the 1960-70s.

The reason that we don't have transparency and clear auditing in both government and business ... is that forces or interest groups that are strong don't want our military, government, CIA, and business to be auditable ... don't want our finances auditable, don't want financial ratings to be accurate

Things are the way the powers want them to be. The powers of the common man are not strong enough to clean up the CIA, DHS, government, Financial organizations, or corproations, their tax schemes & tax loopholes.

Just look at the latest GAO Audit of the Federal Financial Health. Nothing new. DOD & DHS agencies can't be audited and can't provide data.

[-] -2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 5 years ago

That's a coincidence. Although that wasn't the old thread I was referring to, it seems you're already quite familiar with Operation "G."

I don't have stalkers here, just one guy I seem to butt heads with periodically.

And I absolutely agree about the lack of transparency. To do so would be to open up huge can of worms. In fact, a whole semi-truck load of cans of worms. And it's not just their finances they're worried about. I'm sure a whole lot of surprises would come to light.