Forum Post: Obama's campaign slogan should be "Backwards".....
Posted 12 years ago on June 11, 2012, 3:20 p.m. EST by shadzworth
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Man has been trying to create a "electric vehicle" for almost 200 yrs now and look how far we've come.....about as far as a 2012 Leaf can go on a single charge and about as far as a Volt before the good old ICE (internal combustion engine) kicks in.
Obama's "green technologies" crowd want us all to believe that this is moving humanity "forward". But,as anybody can plainly see the regressive Green Mafia under the leadership of one of the most inept presidents of modern times is clearly taking us backwards into a past of No "Fracking",No plastic products produced with oil,No electricity produced by coal,No dams producing electricty,No nuclear power plants.
Solar will never do it,wind will never fulfill the needs of an advanced society. Obama seems to believe this Green Tech bubble will never burst,but it already has...........all FAILING!!
Even if a Company produces an EV that will allow 400 to 500 miles per charge and averaged 65-75 mph on the freeway and in most every way competes with a real ICE car,there will not be an adequate electrical infrastructure to supply the power for a national implementation of an EV dominated society. Thanks to Obama and the Green Mafia,this part of the EV equation has been sabotaged,yes they've shot themselves right in the foot. And Fucked the rest of their agenda.
Obama and his Green Mafia(Democrats) are the REAL party of NO,NO,NO!!
Beginnings:
Who invented the very first EV is uncertain and several inventors have been given credit. In 1828, Hungarian, Ányos Jedlik invented a small-scale model car powered by an electric motor that he designed. Between 1832 and 1839 (the exact year is uncertain), Robert Anderson of Scotland invented a crude electric-powered carriage. In 1835, another small-scale electric car was designed by Professor Stratingh of Groningen, Holland, and built by his assistant Christopher Becker. In 1835, Thomas Davenport, a blacksmith from Brandon, Vermont, built a small-scale electric car. Davenport was also the inventor of the first of the first American-built DC electric motor. Better Batteries
More practical and more successful electric road vehicles were invented by both Thomas Davenport and Scotsmen Robert Davidson around 1842. Both inventors were the first to use the newly invented but non-rechargeable electric cells or batteries. Frenchmen Gaston Plante invented a better storage battery in 1865 and his fellow countrymen Camille Faure further improved the storage battery in 1881. Better capacity storage batteries were needed for electric vehicles to become practical. American Designs
In the late 1800s, France and Great Britain were the first nations to support the widespread development of electric vehicles. In 1899, a Belgian built electric racing car called "La Jamais Contente" set a world record for land speed - 68 mph - designed by Camille Jénatzy. It was not until 1895 that Americans began to devote attention to electric vehicles after an electric tricycle was built by A. L. Ryker and William Morrison built a six-passenger wagon both in 1891. Many innovations followed and interest in motor vehicles increased greatly in the late 1890s and early 1900s. In fact, William Morrison's design with a capacity for passenger is often considered the first real and practical EV.
In 1897, the first commercial EV application was established as a fleet of New York City taxis built by the Electric Carriage and Wagon Company of Philadelphia.
The story continues....
http://inventors.about.com/od/estartinventions/a/History-Of-Electric-Vehicles.htm
Had General Motors not killed the EV1 back in the mid-90's, we would probably have a viable electric car right now. Hybrid cars are a farce, a sell-out to Big Oil.
fly wheel generator converts kinetic energy to electricity
when the car decelerates
Problem with the fly wheel is it has a tendency to fight your going around a curve - the fly wheel wants to hold a straight line - kinda ugly on slick surfaces and hell on tires on clean surface good traction curves anyway.
Yes, I've seen that. That concept has been around a while, I think.
seems very practical on rail system
glad it's working for cars
gas mileage for hybrids is not any better than for a sub compact
A lot of kinetic energy in a fully-loaded freight train!
And that is plain wrong. A working hybrid gas/electric should be able to improve your mileage quite significantly.
The wonderful world of IF. If the British had won the Revolution we'd have Canadian health care and be polite. I can make up a wonderful fiction around almost any event in history going the other way.
On the other hand maybe we would have pumped 20 years worth of research funds into it and learned the technology was a dead end, in addition to no one wanting it.
lol
That's entirely possible too.
people have been trying to build an electric car for over 100 yrs, its a failure fellas.
If at first you don't succeed...
.............Skydiving, is not for you!
"Try, try, again, and then quit. No sense making a damn fool out of your self."
from inception, How long did it take to land on the moon and come back? less than 15 years. electric cars? an ongoing , century old failure.
"we would probably have a viable electric car right now"
No,that wouldn't be logical. The whole point of this story is:
In 200 hundred years Man still can not make the EV a practical,feasible and economic reality on a mass scale.
The EV itself is only half of the equation,the Power Grid to support it is not possible under the current Green Mafia Cabal of Obama,EPA,Prog Dem politicians and all the special interests of radical environmental terrorists such Van Jones. Shit they all can't agree on where to put their fucking eagle killing wind mill farms.
I haven't checked out your link yet, but I don't know if that's necessarily true. Had the EV stayed in production, we would be twenty-five years into developments in efficiency, battery power (absolutely the biggest problem), infrastructure, etc. It's hard to predict how it would've turned out. Although it may not have supplanted the internal combustion engine completely, it could have made a big difference. In dense urban areas (taxi fleets, etc.), for example. Also consider offshoot technology that may have improved in conjunction, such as smaller gas-powered engines (lawn mowers, leaf blowers) that contribute significantly to our current environmental issues.
You admit yourself that it's politics, not technology, that's been the problem. I know you seen the doc about the EV1.
There is just too much real world disparity between the EV/Electric grid /infrastructure and the total domination/performance and fuel infrastructure of the gas/diesel platform. There may be a parity sometime down the road perhaps 50 to 70 yrs. Who can say but the politics I referred to are coming from the Left. The same people who want a "green" friendly world are the same people who are fighting the development of the infrastructure to support it.
It doesn't matter to me what side it comes from. I don't disagree to what your saying as far as it not being viable for quite a while and I think we agree it's largely political. We don't have 50 to 70 years. Had we started 25 years ago, even by those pessimistic numbers we'd be almost halfway there, which is probably all we have left before we reach some tipping point (personally, I think we've already reached it).
obsessed with Obama ?
it's simply a matter of investment. once viable batteries are available it will be a done deed.
Highly unlikely.
there are organizations working on new battery technology at this very moment. your closed minded negative defeatist attitude won't stop new developments.
You jump too far,.....I would support a battery platform IF it could provide a vehicle with the same power and distance capability as an ICE vehicle. IF it could enable a 1 ton pickup to perform all the same functions of towing,hauling,climbing that an ICE powered truck can now do,for example. Until EV's can deliver on this kind of performance and more they will not be a force in the market place. I of course agree that obviously the development must continue but I disagree that it's ready for prime time and thus deserving of Govt. subsidies for private sector assimilation.
EV can replace millions of non truck size vehicles today and should. Obviously. Our govt certainly should encourage every single small/midsize car replacement with EV. We will end our dependence on oil, move the military to defensible positions in the middle east and save trillions of dollars. Pickups? Semis? Use nat gas. Or oil if you must until the EV battery is developed to be more powerful than ICE. That day will come. And soon. 10years at the most. Have faith in the techno demi gods we have here in the greatest innovative country in history.
Sorry,the Govt. shouldn't be using taxpayers money to force EV mass roll outs on a free market and free citizenry under the false pretense of climate change and a contrived pseudo movement against oil,Hitler and the VW come to mind.
The demonetization of oil and gas is the purview of the Alarmist Left and is helping to create an energy crises that need not exist.
Hitler"? that's just ridiculous and extreme. The energy crises exists because of OPEC, producer/distributer oil corps, and speculators. That would be right wing not left wing. The need to replace ICE with EV doesn't have to be about climate change. Deny it if you like. We need to replace ICE because pollution bad! Clean air good! Because oil money finds its way to our Al Queda enemies. Because we spend trillions defending oil fields around the world. And replacing ICE with EV can be a great economic stimulation! Ok? no climate change. you can still deny scientific consensus.
"The energy crises exists because of OPEC, producer/distributer oil corps, and speculators. That would be right wing not left wing."
You always seem to astound me with your lack of critical thinking and your obvious lack of knowledge. The DOE thanks to that asshole Carter was created to help in energy independence,that would mean domestic energy production. 35 yrs later,thanks to RINO's,Dems,radical enviro-terrorists hell bent on denying and preventing domestic oil production and billions of taxpayers dollars wasted on the DOE we are still dependent on ME oil.
The energy crises has always been a contrived and completely preventable "crises'.
But I see,you're in favor of domestic oil drilling and fracking,that's a very prudent and intelligent position to take.
Frackyou! So the great Pres Carter is responsible for the current oil crises.? But not OPEC? Not the big oil corps? or the commodities speculators.? That is laughable. Clearly you are a right wing shill who supports the fossil fuel industry blindly. Drill baby drill. Shill baby shill. Look we don't agree. I want to move forward and put this 19th century technology to bed. YOU should think critically, embrace the future and new tech. The US must be at the forefront of these new techs or we will surrender the future to China for the benefit of a dying oil industry.
Look,you need to embrace reality and understand your pollution free Utopia is not going to happen. Oil is here to stay,any opinion to the contrary is complete ignorance and Utopian pablum. Grow the fuck up and stop living in fantasy land.
Such nasty hostile vulgarity. Have I upset you? Take a breath. Pollution is not required for us to be happy. Your oil company friends will be fine for years to come. Plastic. 3rd world countries. lotsa business for them. lotsa places for them to destroy. but we have to get on with the process of moving away from 19th century tech. It will be ok. no need to be rude. You want a cookie?
It's amazing how your parents haven't busted you yet for playing on their computer. I feel like a fool for attempting to debate with a child,my bad. Later.
Parents dead for years little boy. Wrong again. How old are you?
The "energy crisis" exists, because it it more profitable for it to exist.
Fracking is a much harder sell if doesn't.
Actually that is completely wrong. It would be more profitable for oil companies if they could manufacture and sell their product to as many customers as possible with out the nose of the EPA and the Govt sticking it in where it doesn't belong. Without the heavy hand of tyrannical regulation making profit extremely hard to come by for any biz involved in the industry. Govt. regs and taxes usually wind up costing the average Joe way more than the Corps.
Please do tell?
What major oil corporation has been put out of business by EPA regulations?
Do you also believe in the magical, mystical, invisible hand?
What happen to your narrative?
"The "energy crisis" exists, because it it more profitable for it to exist."
Do you typically lose focus so quickly?
Now that we agree?
Not anymore.
We couldn't agree on the current year of the calender.
Pre-Georgian?
That doesn't surprise me at all.
obama's campaign slogan should be All Hail Wall Street!
For millenia humans attempted to fly before finally succeeding. For over a million years nature has attempted to make homo sapiens, but hasn't quite succeeded.
Solar and Wind could easily power any developed society. Of course it would cost. If the U.S. government had a strong agenda to reduce reliance on fossil fuel they could probably make the entire country green in a decade. That would be a massive stimulus to the economy.
Europe is aiming for a 20% share by 2020 and 80% by 2050 I think.
The problem with electric cars is the battery. I think small electric cars could begin to establish themselves in city centers in the medium term. In the longer term we need better batteries.
what about GM's car , that they crushed every one of except 1 or 2
"Forward......Towards Fascist USA"....