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Forum Post: Obama's 23 point gun control plan based on input from 229 groups

Posted 1 year ago on Jan. 16, 2013, 11:48 a.m. EST by bensdad (8977)
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Obama: 900+ people have died by gun in America since Sandy Hook

live now- strengthen background checks
fund CDC to research source of violent behavior

LEGISLATION:
universal background check for buyers for all
....[70% of nra members approve]
ban assault weapons and over 10 round magazines
....[ronald reagan agreed]
get tough on gun resellers
confirm the BATF director
hire more police


"THE AMERICAN PEOPLE MUST DEMAND CHANGE!"
he clearly asks nra members to lobby the nra to stop their lies
he clearly asks Americans to pressure their congressmen to stop supporting the nra program


"WE ARE RESPONSIBLE"


"WE MUST ACT NOW"


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[-] 2 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

Hey, the 900 people whom died just goes to show how "crime ridden" our society is.

Like I stated in previous posts - Perform a "frontal labadomy" on those found guilt of killing innocent individuals and that will solve the "gun ownership problem".

Do you really think a person who knows if he/she kills someone is going to live in a "vegitative" state for the rest of their lives will kill someone. And if that doesn't have an effect on their thinking then they are mentally ill anyway.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

Again- GB & AU had similar problems 20 years ago, the passed much stricted gun control laws
they did not stop violent video games & movies
Of course, GB & AU culture is so different from America's
They don't even speak English.


demand a plan:

http://www.youtube.com/user/maigcoalition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Za8SOVuGHs&list=UUu4Q7iE0z1Jw7yUjs56dvXA&index=1

alex jones – without his straight jacket!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XZvMwcluEg&feature=endscreen&NR=1

WRITE CONGRESS:

http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
http://www.senate.gov/reference/common/faq/How_to_contact_senators.htm
VP Joe Biden, Gun Panel, 1600 Pennsylvania Av, Washington DC 20006


Dear ............................:

[ _ Y.O.U.R...I.N.T.R.O...H.E.R.E_ ]

While some people may want to confiscate guns, here is a much more feasable approach. It will not solve all gun problems, but it will reduce the number of guns and will reduce the number of dangerous people who have access to guns - and isn't THAT our real goal?

Please consider advocating these four steps below to help America with our gun disasters:

My proposal - for a NATIONAL gun law for all guns & owners:
My four points are SIMPLY based on seeing a logical parallel between cars & guns.

1
all gun owners must be licensed & tested with all guns they own and pass a written test.

if you own a motor cycle, a dump truck, and a car - you are tested in each
a written gun test - to guarantee the owner's understanding of gun laws
being forced to know the law - via the test - means the police know who you are -
and you may be less likely to commit a crime

2
every year, you must prove that you have gun liability insurance &
be background checked and prove that your gun is properly locked when not used.

insurance should be at least as high as car insurance [ I would like at least $1,000,000 ]
you must prove your car insurance
annual back ground check to verify your suitability to own guns
every gun must be locked in a gun case or have a trigger lock

3
as the owner of a gun, you are legally responsible for what is done with it.

you are required to report if your gun is missing within 48 hours
the owner will be much less likely to leave a gun accessible to a family member or thief

4
every gun must be registered and tested & a sample fired bullet stored by the police

knowing that your gun & its bullets are so easily traced will make you think before using it

peripherally-

Gun fees should be high enough to create a very substantial gun buy-back program

Penalties must be very high in money & jail time - especially after the first offense

No citizens ( except dealers & real collectors ) need more than a small number of guns

Gun fees should be higher for more guns.

The nra fighting against this - will be balanced by the insurance companies fighting for it

But the nra may be in favor of this when the gun companies understand that a gun owner
can get paid to turn in their old gun and will be able to buy a new gun -
with an INTEGRATED lock .

If we legalize drugs, we will clear out jail cells to fill with gun law breakers and
free up police "time" for real crime investigation

I am fundamentally NOT opposed to confiscation, but we WILL get higher compliance
and lower opposition if we use high fees & buyback. Take a position of reducing guns,
like assault weapons such as semi-automatic rifles -
rather than punishing a gun nut who spent $10,000 on an armory.



Some real 2011 / 2012 gun statistics:

Americans own almost half of all civilian owned guns in the world.
Per 100,000: America: 88,880 guns owned ; 2.97 homicides
Per 100,000: England…: 6,200 guns owned ; 0.07 homicides
Per 100,000: Austrailia: 15,000 guns owned ; 0.14 homicides
Per 100,000: Canada…: 30,800 guns owned ; 0.51 homicides
Per 100,000: France…..: 31,000 guns owned ; 0.06 homicides
Per 100,000: Japan……..: 1,000 guns owned ; 0.08 homicides
Per 100,000: Israel……..: 7,300 guns owned ; 0.90 homicides


Clearly the number of guns adds to the risk of homicides.

More complex is the effect of gun laws and restrictions.

When Australia had a massacre in 1996 when 35 people were killed, gun laws were substantially strengthened and a major buy-back was instituted.
There has not been an incident in Australia since then.
Of course, they did not have the benefit of the nra.

For 2011, the average Murder Rate of Death Penalty States was 4.7,
while the average Murder Rate of States without the Death Penalty was 3.1

For 2011, the murder rates were highest in red state regions:
Per 100,000: South 5.5 Midwest 4.5 West 4.2 Northeast 3.9

In 2011, there were 11,000+ gun homicides in America
In 2011, there were 35 gun deaths in England

The USA 1994 gun "ban" did not ban assault weapons.
It banned the MANUFACTURE of assault weapons.
That is why so many people are buying AR15s before "Obama bans guns"

Scalia - yes that Scalia has indicated the AR15s are NOT protected by Article2

I learned yesterday that LBJ proposed a gun plan similar to the above letter's plan

[-] -1 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

What you and a lot of others who think that "banning semi automatic weapons" or as you would like to call them "assault weapons" don't understand is that we have a "sick criminal murderous society".

That's where the problem is. And if you think banning the "assault weapons" will solve the problem let me give you some info about "school shootings" during the "assault weapons" ban.

Here is a list of all the deaths (excluding the shooters) that occured in school shootings after the enactment of the Federal 1994 Assault Weapons Ban.

Feb. 2, 1996 Moses Lake, Wa. Two students and one teacher killed. (3)

Feb. 19, 1997 Bethel, Ak. Principal and one student killed. (2)

Oct. 1, 1997 Pearl, Ms. Two students killed. (2)

Dec. 1, 1997 West Paducah, Ky. Three students killed. (3)

Mar. 24, 1998 Jonesboro, Ar. Four students and one teacher killed. (5)

Apr. 24, 1998 Edinboro, Pa. One teacher, John Gillette, killed. (1)

May 19, 1998 Fayetteville, Tn. One student killed. (1)

May 21, 1998 Springfield, Or. Two students killed. (2)

Apr. 20, 1999 Littleton, Co. Twelve students and one teacher killed. (13)

Nov. 19, 1999 Deming, N.M. One student killed. (1)

Feb. 29, 2000 Mount Morris Township, Mi. One student killed. (1)

Mar. 10, 2000 Savannah, Ga. Two students killed. (2)

May 26, 2000 Lake Worth, Fl. One teacher killed. (1)

Jan. 17, 2001 Baltimore, Md. One student killed. (1)

Mar. 5, 2001 Santee, Ca. Two students killed. (2)

Mar. 30, 2001 Gary, In. One student killed. (1)

Oct. 28, 2002 Tucson, Az. Three professors killed. (3)

Apr. 14, 2003 New Orleans, La. One student killed. (1)

Apr. 24, 2003 Red Lion, Pa. One principal killed. (1)

Sept. 24, 2003 Cold Spring, Mn. Two students killed. (2)

That's a total of 48 people- men, women and mostly children, WHOSE DEATHS WERE NOT PREVENTED by the existence of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban.

A duplicate of the Federal 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, currently in place on the Connecticut law books, also DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO PREVENT THE SLAUGHTER OF 26 INNOCENTS- meaning that the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban has failed to prevent a total of 74 deaths during its tenure.'

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

The 1994 "assault weapons ban"
DID NOT BAN ASSAULT WEAPONS
it banned their manufacture


Are you saying that a plan like Australia's would not work here?


Why would my plan fail:
My proposal - for a NATIONAL gun law for all guns & owners: My four points are SIMPLY based on seeing a logical parallel between cars & guns.

1 all gun owners must be licensed & tested with all guns they own and pass a written test.

    if you own a motor cycle, a dump truck, and a car - you are tested in each
    a written gun test - to guarantee the owner's understanding of gun laws
    being forced to know the law - via the test - means the police know who you are -
    and you may be less likely to commit a crime

2 every year, you must prove that you have gun liability insurance & be background checked and prove that your gun is properly locked when not used.

    insurance should be at least as high as car insurance [ I would like at least $1,000,000 ]
    you must prove your car insurance
    annual back ground check to verify your suitability to own guns
    every gun must be locked in a gun case or have a trigger lock

3 as the owner of a gun, you are legally responsible for what is done with it.

    you are required to report if your gun is missing within 48 hours
    the owner will be much less likely to leave a gun accessible to a family member or thief

4 every gun must be registered and tested & a sample fired bullet stored by the police

    knowing that your gun & its bullets are so easily traced will make you think before using it

setting fines & fees high enough will reduce the number of guns & support a buy back program. Just an idea: fees: revolver $100 semi-auto 7 shot $200
rifle $200 shotgun $200 semi auto rifle $1000 penalty for having no license or unregistered gun illgeally $1000-$10000 and a year in jail

[-] 1 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

Well let me ask - what kind of guns were used in these Killings - do you know?

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

which killings?
my goal is to reduce the number of guns - not by confiscation.
The nra's goal is to get gun owners to buy more guns because the nra works for the gun manufacturers - and they have to keep the addicts addicted

[-] 1 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

The school killings - were they semi-automatic pistols, revolvers, semi-automatic rifles, semi automatic shotguns - and did it make any difference?

You see you want to "punish everyone" for the very very few "sick criminals". Why not focus on them instead. Solve that problem and we won't have a "violent criminal firearms crime" problem.

[-] 0 points by zippyhorn (-5) 1 year ago

Why is Switzerland not included in that list of gun statistics?

Are you here to only tell half of the story?

[-] 1 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

I think everyone in Switzerland is required to own a firearm. They just did a poll this past year - 65% said they want to keep their firarms.

Although I haven't looked it up I do believe the "violent criminal firearms crime" is very, very low.

But hey, they don't have "crazy killers" like we do here in this country. People in Switzerland are very respectful and congenial.

[-] 1 points by BitterClinger (8) 1 year ago

A bit harsh but certainly no more ridiculous than depriving law abiding citizens of their Creator-given rights.

We surely are not discussing what has caused so many people today to totally disrepect life. Religion certainly plays a role in a society;s civility. Too bad the left is busy demonizing jt.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

You know what the Creator gave us? what did he tell you?

Religion plays a great role in civility -
ask the Spanish Jews from 1492 - burned by catholics
ask the African Americans lynched by protestants
ask Van Gough - murdered by "islam"
ask the 200+ Protestants burned by bloody mary
ask pat robertson or jerry fallwell ask the 11,000,000 muslims of one flavor killed by other muslims

[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

Thank you wayne

[-] 1 points by Osiris2013 (3) 1 year ago

Thank you DNC. Now for the rest of the nation....

[-] 0 points by zippyhorn (-5) 1 year ago

If you want to "act", then get 2/3 of the House and Senate and 3/4 of the states.

The Constitution is there for a reason. Stop trampling it for your dream of a utopia.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

there are today at least 100 congressmen who support at least one of the dozen amendments & our OWS working group is EXACTLY working on that
http://corporationsarenotpeople.webuda.com

[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

Gun Violence Reduction Executive Actions

Today, the President is announcing that he and the Administration will:

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

11. Nominate an ATF director.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities. 18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
[-] 0 points by zippyhorn (-5) 1 year ago

LOL!

3 Yes, because criminals apply for background checks before they steal gunz! Facepalm.

9 Oh? Like Fast and Furious? Yea, like that'll happen. I think not.

11 The president needs to issue himself an executive order to nominate an ATF director? I think not.

12 Really? I believe the local SWAT team and first responders know their job a helluva lot better than a bureaucrap in the White House who has never fired a gun or been an EMT in their life. More useless legislation from Latvian history, basket weaving and sociology majors at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

14 Oh yay! More "research and studies" of the obvious. In other words, more pork for bureacraps and Uncle Sham.

15 Oh yay. "new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies." More crony capitalism by handouts and subsidies!

18 What the hell is a "school resource officer"? Answer: more pork to get the tax payer further in debt.

23 Oh yay. A national dialogue! I'm getting warm and tingly all over!