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Posted 1 year ago on June 26, 2012, 8:34 a.m. EST by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR
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Just wondering how knowledgeable we are about this. Anything besides right wing talking points?

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[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

pay put to private insurance

healthcare should be a government building

I can walk into for a check up

emergency care and medicine

payed by tax dollars

[-] 0 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 1 year ago

That is how the VA works. Talked to a vet who loved it but hated the HC bill. Propaganda works.

SCOTUS has a problem. They need to blast it for political purposes but the insurance companies need the mandate. A pickle. ;p

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

the HC bill is really a Health Insurance bill

no thanks

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 1 year ago

I wouldn't necessarily have such a problem with the concept of medical insurance, if insurance companies were nonprofits (and some are nonprofit, just not enough), and their customers were able to influence its policies (in some way, even if they were ran like a credit union, where its customers get to vote in members of the board).

[-] 1 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 1 year ago

But Luntz said we should call it government run healthcare. ;p

Frank Luntz warns GOP: Health reform is popular

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22155.html#ixzz0f9TLIpWN

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

the republicans are shills for the democrats

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

Way to go Matt !! I'm glad some can see the trees from the forest.

[-] 0 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 1 year ago

How many beers have you had?

[-] 2 points by ronniepaul2012 (214) 1 year ago

Why would "we" know anything? Pelosi even admitted at the time of the vote that NO ONE had read the bill. How could they? It took a hand cart to transport the bill...Am sure the printed version weighed much more than you and I together.

[-] 0 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 1 year ago

BTW, she said that because the bill was changing right up until the final vote. Remember?

[-] 2 points by ronniepaul2012 (214) 1 year ago

The way I remember it, Obama forced a vote before anyone had the time to read it. If it was changing right up to the final vote, then wouldn';t it have made sense to postpone the vote?

Probably was the last session before he lost his Dem controlled Congress. That much I don;t really remember, but I did wonder why they didn't get the time to read the damn thing.

How f'n ridiculous is that? Kinda like pick a prize behind door number 1, 2, or 3.

[-] 0 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 1 year ago

Congress does not read all they pass. Very damned little of it. They frankly don't have the time. That is what their staff is for. Reality sucks.

[-] 2 points by ronniepaul2012 (214) 1 year ago

Yes it does. If the actually worked 5 days/wk, 49 wks a yr like the rest of us, maybe they'd have the time, Do you realize how much a Congressman costs us per hour?

[-] 3 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 1 year ago

It would help a lot if they did not have to spend half their time raising campaign money. Get the money out!

[-] 0 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 1 year ago

My insurance company sent me a paper on the changes to my policy because of the bill. Don't have insurance?

[-] 1 points by ericweiss (575) 1 year ago

FYI - the mandate is not a mandate! If you do not buy the "mandated" insurance,
you are fined by having a fine added to your tax bill.
The fine is small - around $100.
The punch line to this story is the penalty for NOT PAYING THE FINE


the penalty is zero!


just goes to prove the Democtrats aint so dumb after all!

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[-] 1 points by foreeverLeft (-264) 1 year ago

We won't have to worry about it after Thursday, just a failed footnote to a failed presidency.

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 1 year ago

I guess that didn't happen. Maybe SCOTUS (or more specifically, Chief Justice Roberts) got the feeling that it already overreached on Citizens United, and it didn't want to provide our political system with a pretext to do something like pack the court (who knows really, I'm just speculating).

[-] 0 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 1 year ago

I get to choose any doctor I want. For the first time. Check ups are no deductible. There is no longer a max on amount of coverage.

I tried it. It worked.

[-] 0 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 1 year ago

Perhaps Obamacares, but a new constitution is needed for new times, as follows:

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This means you will have 75% employee business control over your workplace as business officers and, as bank officers, 25% customer business control over all 12 investments (or businesses) in your new bank investment account. In turn, with this 100% town-level business control of your 3,000 workplaces, you can decrease your 12 customer consumption expenses by 75% for services, vehicles, education, retail, food, construction, technology, manufacturing, wholesale, health, justice, and banking expenses; that is, over your first 12 years of SIS LLC membership using a 75% more effective and efficient town design, and related 3,000 workplace designs (herein). Furthermore, while creating your new town & workplace design as described by this constitution, you will replace today’s communist big businesses, and related big governments, with your new small investment club banks, and related small businesses (or investments), as proposed, financed, and patronized by your 3,000 investment squad sites of 16 friends (or virtual specialties) in your internet investment legislature of 50,000 friends (or virtual town).

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[-] 0 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 1 year ago

Medical loss ratio?

[-] 0 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 1 year ago

Tort reform?

[-] -1 points by shadzworth (-394) 1 year ago

"how knowledgeable we are about this"

If you have to ask,then you aren't. Just ask your girl friend Nazi Piglosi she should know,and she's not "right wing". Why would you even care anyways?
Unless of course it involves your medical choomer then I'll bet you'll be all over it.

[-] 0 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 1 year ago

I just learned that the mandate is gutless. $100 fine with no enforcement. Or is this propaganda, too?

[-] 2 points by shadzworth (-394) 1 year ago

Jeez,.....it starts at $100 and then becomes extremely expensive a few years later and could lead to jail time. You will not be able to escape the heavy,freedom robbing hand of a Govt. that will become your Nanny and provider. This is the thing that so many of you short sighted,ignorant progressives don't get. The more you empower the Govt to fulfill the progressive agenda,the more freedom,money and liberty you will sacrifice.

All in the name of a progressive Utopia that only exists in your minds.

[-] 1 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 1 year ago

This from Dave Camp, Ranking Member on the powerful House Ways and Means Committee

PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=153583

[-] 2 points by shadzworth (-394) 1 year ago

Yeah,that's only a small fragment of the fucking anti-American,anti-freedom,anti-liberty provisions in this nightmare that your choom gang member Barry Hussein along with the Demoncraps have constructed. But I'm sure you'll still vote for him in Nov right?

[-] 0 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 1 year ago

But the text they quoted is not in the bill. Just a little mistake?

[-] 2 points by shadzworth (-394) 1 year ago

So you've read all 2000+ pages of the bill and can recite all verbatim?

There's more wrong in that bill then you or I will ever know.

[-] 0 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 1 year ago

So who told you that? Do you believe everything they tell you?

I did a search. It is a computer thing. I did finally find the text. It is in the tax code. They fooled you. Maybe not the first time. Or the last. But you still trust them, right?

[-] 1 points by shadzworth (-394) 1 year ago

If you have bought into Obamacare and the whole progressive agenda than you have been completely fooled. There is no hope for any change in you.

[-] 0 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 1 year ago

I am easily swayed by facts. I have shown at least three examples of deliberate deception about this. Can you show me any case where I have been "completely fooled."? Not opinions or talking point stuff. Facts like I have shown you.

[-] 0 points by shadzworth (-394) 1 year ago

If you actually,really went on a fact hunt about how fucked up Obamacare really is you might learn something.

I trust my sources of info. You on the other hand haven't showed me shit,it wouldn't matter anyways because there IS nothing positive about Obamacare,all you will present is Leftist propaganda.

The whole premise of your replies is to show me that Obamacare is supposedly the greatest thing since Barry was born in Kenya. Look,you can't convince me and I'm sure I couldn't convince you.

[-] 1 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 1 year ago

Do you have any recommendations about where I should hunt for these facts?