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Forum Post: Obama sends his OWS sheep to disrupt the caucus

Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 27, 2011, 9:43 a.m. EST by mikePac (52)
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Obummer has instructed his OWS sheeple goons to go "Occupy" disrupt the caucus.



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[-] 1 points by Anachronism (225) 12 years ago

Yeah - it's true - Obama just sent me an email to disrupt the caucus.

[-] 0 points by mikePac (52) 12 years ago

This post was only intended to see what kind of replies I would get, just for fun

[-] 1 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 12 years ago

Given how hostile OWS is to Obama, I find it astonishing that anyone would see them as agents for his campaign. Indeed they've spent as much time "occupying" Obama campaign offices as they have that of any Republican. Obama is, after all, chairman of the board of everything OWS opposes, starting with the corporate state itself.

[-] 0 points by mikePac (52) 12 years ago

I am not seeing very much hostility towards Obama by OWS in this forum, although there should be. I know that he did not put us in the current situation that we are in, but he sure did contribute to it. Also OWS is going after Wall Street and that is one of Obama's biggest supporters

[-] 2 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 12 years ago

This forum is not at all representative of OWS. Most of the people who contribute here who claim to be supportive of OWS have never even been to a GA, much less an occupation, so they really are quite naive as to what it is they actually think they are supporting.

If you actually spent just a day at an occupation or even just sat through a single GA you would very quickly come to understand just how profoundly different OWS is than anything American politics or the American party system has to offer, and you would certainly see as much concrete criticism of Obama and the Democrats as there is of the Republicans.

Obama is, after all, the chairman of the board of the 1%.

What you see on this forum is largely kibbitzing, I'm here because I work and have medical problems and so can only occupy part time, so I hang out here when I can't occupy, but I also have to admit that I enjoy kibbitzing as much as the next guy, but I also know when I am kibbitzing and not taking myself seriously. Occupying is serious business even when you are laughing, joking or engaged in a drum circle.

[-] 0 points by mikePac (52) 12 years ago

Thanks for replying and I was originally led to believe that the OWS was just attacking Rep's so I guess that is not the case. One thing I do know that is if we as Americans do not all band together then there will be no change. As you know the Country is severely divided. Also why the violence in OWS is it just the young kids that are doing it?? if so, it should be cleaned up because that is not good for any movement

[-] 1 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 12 years ago

I don't really think America is all that divided or at least not in the way that the pundits would describe it. Most Americans are extremely depoliticized and don't even bother to vote. Meanwhile there is a pissing context between Republicans and Democrats which really wouldn't amount to much at all in the broader context of democratic European politics,

Meanwhile, when polled, while most Americans would characterize themselves as moderate or even conservative, they tend to be rather left wing when polled on individual questions. Most Americans, for example, or at least a very substantial minority, would join a union if they had the opportunity to do so. Most Americans are for an affordable national health care system. Most Americans are for just social security benefits, for unemployment compensation and for a livable minimum wage, Most Americans, when polled, oppose American military adventures abroad, which partially explains Ron Paul's popularity. Most Americans want drinkable clean water, healthy food, etc, One could go on and on. Partly, because Americans are so depoliticized they tend not to connect the dots on these issues. But I don't see the problem so much as being one of a divided populace as the fact that essentially Americans are not only depoliticized, but they are also unorganized, which is another manifestation or aspect of depoliticalization,

As for OWS violence, I've been to half a dozen different occupations and I can honestly say that I have seen virtually no violence. There has certainly been no violence against the police that I have observed in many demonstrations, All of the violence that I have seen has been perpetrated by the police on OWS demonstrators, which is precisely why OWS, as a very tiny movement, has received as much popular support as it has, despite poor reportage. I do not mean to suggest that there has never been any violence from demonstrators at OWS demos, only that I have been to many OWS demos and I've never observed any, which suggests to me that if there is violence it is very isolated, which in itself is remarkable for a movement as large and loose as OWS.

I have seen occasional fights or near fights break out at occupations though in every case these were successfully de-escalated, not by superior physical force, but by the effective intervention of nonviolent de-escalation teams. Again this is my personal experience and I am not excluding the problem of violence, only that from my experience as an OWS activist it is a very marginal issue,

Regarding the age of OWS activists, the average age of an OWS activist according to a poll is 33 and you can see at any occupation or GA or Working Group meeting people of all ages. Certainly people who engage in civil disobedience tend to be younger, but they aren't exactly kids either, often tending to be in their late 20s or 30s. This stands to reason. I'm 68 and if I spent any time in jail without my meds I might well drop dead, which may well be what the movement needs,

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

I can tell you that a campaigner for the Dems in Tampa was PISSED that we were protesting NDAA. Really upset, and Im guessing its because they are planning on something to then rally the occupies for Obama this summer.

[-] 0 points by ARod1993 (2420) 12 years ago

Are you serious? Not that I don't have a problem with us protesting in and around the caucus, but pretty much everything OWS does it decides to do all on its own; there's no chain of command here and parts of this movement have made a perverse attempt to ignore the Democratic Party and drive off MoveOn.org. Are those really the actions of a movement that would take orders from Obama. Also, while you're at it do the man the courtesy of spelling his name right.

[-] 0 points by mikePac (52) 12 years ago

My spelling of his name is the same as yours. I was led to believe that this movement was started by (Obama Admin, SEIU, Van Jones, etc) and also it seemed like this movement was attacking the "right" a lot more than the left. I personally think that both parties in congress are screwing all of us. They are fully aware of what is happening in Wall Street, the fed, etc but what are they doing about it??? nothing. Every member in congress "both sides" should be replaced

[-] 1 points by Anachronism (225) 12 years ago

No it was started by George Soros and other nameless billionaire socialists that are trying to turn the world into a communist dictatorship. Obama and Van Jones are just puppets to super powerful unions and anti-capitalist financiers