Forum Post: Obama raised your taxes - Na Nah Na Nah Na! He lied to all of you.
Posted 11 years ago on Jan. 10, 2013, 7:16 p.m. EST by Shayneh
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Yes indeed he did - Obama rasied your taxes and you were suckered into thinking he was only going to raise the taxes on the 1%.
Well you voted for him so you get what you deserve - A Moron who hasn't a clue as to what it takes to get this country back on track - like most peope who think he is just "wonderful".
Fiscal Cliff Deal Will Raise Taxes On 77 Percent Of Americans: Tax Policy Center Analysis
WASHINGTON -- While the tax package that Congress passed New Year's Day will protect 99 percent of Americans from an income tax increase, most of them will still end up paying more federal taxes in 2013.
That's because the legislation did nothing to prevent a temporary reduction in the Social Security payroll tax from expiring. In 2012, that 2-percentage-point cut in the payroll tax was worth about $1,000 to a worker making $50,000 a year.
Read the link and enjoy!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/02/fiscal-cliff-raise-taxes_n_2395559.html
And just so you know, your little "Tea Party" which wasnt a fuckin party at all because you nutless fucks are too scared to go outside, well over half of that stupid ass "caucus"...makes em feel indie instead of being a cog on the machine....over half of them voted for the biggest fuckin credit card the planet has ever seen. Whether you are for more stimulus or less spending, the point is that in one year over half of em went back on THE LONG THING they were in there to do....cut fuckin spending.
Spend the country into an oblivion, let the corporations take over, slash all the benefits, ruin the food/air/water, and make sure there a fuckin cop at every freakin doorstep.
Thats what you dumb shits and this system are going to get if you dont wake the fuck up and start creating some options that are made of actual people, not politicians.
For shits sake are you an idiot? Do you read English?
'the legislation did nothing to prevent a temporary reduction in the Social Security payroll tax from expiring' - do you see the word 'temporary' there? Everyone knows this. It was a temporary reduction. That would go back up!
Pres. Obama has been absolutely clear. He was for extending the Bush tax cuts for the middle class. The SS tax cut was not part of the Bush tax cuts. The SS tax cut was by Pres. Obama in 2010 and was always meant and clearly communicated as a short term stimulus measure. Everyone knows this.
He didn't lie you nitwit. You're just completely uninformed.
Everyone knew their SS tax was going up except you I guess. There are reports of this going all the way back to last summer. That the SS tax cut would be allowed to expire for 2013. Not new news. Not even close. The fact that you're just figuring this out. Priceless.
Please! Be sure to bring us more breaking headline news with your priceless dramatics. Hilarious.
One would think instead of the incredible amount of pork in that bill, they would extend that cut.
I guess they felt we are back on track.
Meanwhile, 85 billion continues to be stolen by the banks on a monthly basis, but no one wants to touch that. Oh no. Thats sacred.
There was a pretty good article by Matt Taibbi recently explaining in real common terms how the average person got screwed by the Feds secret bailouts to the banks. From the perspective of an asset manager which made it kind of interesting. He lost money and all his investors money because he knew the market should rightly go down and shorted, but instead it went up, because of the secret bailout money.
Central planning is at the heart of corporatism. Picking winners and losers. If Ford ends up going bankrupt, and they may, ,then what does the gov do?
Certain banks get bailed out, others get the shaft. Monsanto is going to get a windfall of money, the smaller farmers are going to get shit on.
Try running a small company and having to compete with all the obamacare regulations. Universal would have evened it out, obamacare is going to put the smaller guys under.
Its everywhere we look. HomeDepots and Lowes are going to battle it out, eventually one buying out the other, and then thats it for hardware shops.
Get ready to send your kids to school at Walmart. Its coming.
'Get ready to send your kids to school at Walmart' - I hear ya. That thought may be what scares me most about Republicans. Right up there with their phony false flag 'concern' about the debt. Code for: end the New Deal programs, and don't stop there, keep on going to end every government program and agency except their precious Department of War.
The Dems aren't perfect but they're no where near the level of crazy the Repubs are rolling in. The Tea Party, the NRA, the Religious Right, the neocons. When you embrace stupid and crazy, that the resulting outcome is stupid and crazy - should come as no surprise.
Anti-trust needs to be strengthened and used to end monopolies. Starting with Wall Street. This will help small business more than any tax break ever could. ie: If Walmart is gone, small business won't be undercut by Walmarts despicable pricing strategies. And will be able to afford employee health coverage. No consumer is getting any 'deal' at Walmart. Any money 'saved' by shopping there is simply being offset by increased reliance on welfare programs which Walmart uses to subsidize it's profits. Not to mention it's direct government subsidies.
Ending the Fed a pipe dream. Even if it would be beneficial. Which I have my doubts. The Robber Barons, the wealth concentration during the Guilded Age, all happened without any help from the Fed.
The ACA isn't perfect but it will help. It's a step in the direction of a long term game. 'Universal' was not even close to politically feasible. Holy hell the right wing has gone apeshit over the ACA as it is. How the hell do you think single payer had a chance.
The chicken littles will tire of squawking. And if business wants to choose to end their health insurance plans - then the ACA essentially becomes the 'single payer' through natural course. Then we wipe out the middle man.
In the mean time, the banks need to be broken up. It starts with the banks. If there was the politcal will for that - the dominos would fall. Walmart, Monsanto etc.
Hello? Elizabeth Warren? Sherrod Brown. Bernie Sanders. There is support for this in high places. Just not the politcal will.
Unless the vipers of Wall Street go on a shooting rampage in a kindergarten. But it's less noticable to just bleed us out slowly.
http://www.dallasfed.org/assets/documents/fed/annual/2011/ar11.pdf
http://www.dallasfed.org/assets/documents/fed/annual/2012summer.pdf
So what you are saying is it's ok for peoples taxes to go up. Never heard Obama saying one thing about allowing it to go up - as a matter of fact he stated it wouldn't
Think if Bush did this you would be saying the same thing? I think not.
Never heard
Yes I'm fine with paying more taxes in order to fund Social Security.
The Bush tax cuts created a fiscal disaster. I said it then and I say it now. Two made up wars. Not paid for. Instead he cut taxes. That's a double whammy to the debt. $6T.
Nobody in history has done that. Go to war and not pay for it. It's called right wing fuckshitup-onomics. And now the Republicans want to blame poor people for their right wing fuckshitup-onomics and pay for their debt on the backs of the poor and working poor. Despicable.
'Never heard' - that's entirely your own problem.
How could it have created a "fiscal disaster"? I think you have it wrong - Obama has been in charge for 4 years, 6 trillion dollars later and our unemployment only dropped by 1.5%.
Where the hell did all that money go to? Further more if you haven't noticed we are now spending over a trillion a year in handouts. Obama saiid we don't have a "job" problem when he continually boasts about how many jobs he created.
Well apparently he is either lying or people are taking advantage of him and the government.
Lets see in 3 years where we will be when it comes to another 3 trillion raise in the the debt.
Then lets see how many more jobs he boasts about creating and claims everyone who wants a job can have. And lets see what he has to say about the 60 million people looking for a handout instead of the present 45 million.
SS tax cut Pres Obama got after fighting and beating repubs was always temporary.
It should be made permanent for working class people but Repubs would fight it.
Repubs appear to only support and fight for wealthy tax cuts.
Your idiot Republicans share the blame on that one.
Tax raise on teh middle class, typical D/R bullshit. If its not directly out of the paycheck, its through no COLA for SS, or inflation, or all the other bullshit fees....
Go you dumb fucks drive me insane. To dumb to get out of the changers way.
I agree with Grapes.
Looks like the rest of you didn't read the article very well. Obama had to make compromises with BOTH parties so that tax cuts wouldn't completely expire for the middle class. I think you have forgotten that there is a Congress involved in this government as well:
"Obama pushed hard to enact the payroll tax cut for 2011 and to extend it through 2012. But it was never fully embraced by either party, and this time around, there was general agreement to let it expire."
The facts speak for themselves for all who take them as is. For those who need other people's interpretations of whether something is a tax increase, expiration of a tax credit or deduction, phasing out of a personal exemption, a benefit reduction, a premium increase, or an increase in deductible amount, and so on, and so on, their emotions can be manipulated by not having the baseline and context clearly stated. Virtually all politicians take advantage of these people so Obama is definitely included. There is no surprise there.
The U.S. economy is slowly pulling out of the doldrums so the expiration of the payroll tax reduction will probably not hurt the economy much. Likewise, the tax increases on the 1% (you see, OWS had injected that into the national dialogue and that was where the partisan bickering eventually settled upon) will probably not affect the economy much either.
The usual claims of job losses due to increased taxes on the high-income folks are rather silly because we definitely did not have large amounts of job gains when the same taxes were decreased. People having less money in their pockets to spend tend to cause a slowdown of the economy but recently house prices have picked up some so the wealth effect should counteract that slowdown.
And the Republican plan was what? Claim the president isnt being specific? By now saying a fuckin thing? Well you are right. And guess what? Your dumb fuckin party did the same fuckin thing.
Keep drinking the cool-aid, you dumb fucks like taht saying right?
Everyone gets caught up in that one word, tax.
The funny thing about the particular tax that seems to have everyone in such an uproar is that it's funds that (if the Trust is paid back (thanks Congress) and if the cap is either eliminated or expanded) will be eventually returned to you.
I find it amusing that so many considered the 'tax holiday' as a permanent item. That would be like expecting a two for one sale to be permanent and to occur week after week forever and ever, amen.
That 2% everyone is so concerned over equating it to $1,000.00 less in pocket on a $50,000.00 annual income averages out to $19.2307 per week. Oops there went a cup of Starbucks and a bagel.
It's really sad, once people were proud to be paying taxes, it proved to themselves and others that they 'had made it'...not today though...guess even billionaires don't feel like they 'have made it'.
I guess it's as concerning about the 2% paying 800 billion over 10 years.
Obama did promise "no tax hikes" for the middle class to get the votes - he got them but he didn't follow through with his promise.
Obama was not forced by some extraordinary unforeseen event to accept this tax increase.
Obama include this middle class tax increase in his counter offer. Obama didn’t need to do this, he chose to do it.
Right after Obama was re-elected, based on a promise not to raise taxes on the middle class, his first major action was to push for a middle class tax increase.
This is a pathological level of dishonesty. The only thing more disturbing is the weak shoulder-shrugging response by most of the media to such a profound act of deception.
As I pointed out, it was a holiday equaling 2% off the FICA tax. Ending the 'holiday' is not a hike, it is a return to normal value. Temporary means temporary, short term, ending.
We all knew this going in.
Oh, so it's ok because it's a "holiday" even though taxes went up. Think you would let Bush off with your comment if he allowed it to happen?
Bush raised the payroll tax deduction. I didn't complain. I'm not the one complaining now.
I will be polite and say you are not being fair
I do not believe Obama said the middle class will not pay more tax
He said HE would not raise taxes
Of course, he has no power to raise or lower taxes
Well then why did taxes go up on 77% of working class people? Isn't a "payroll tax" a "tax"?
"Obama raised your taxes" IS NOT TRUE
Speak for yourself. Didn't vote for him. Wasn't suckered by him. Don't believe a word any politician says to the American public.
This post is for those who did - I didn't vote for him either.
Okay. Sorry. Sounded like a blanket statement. Some people think OWS = Obama supporters.
Sad that.
People get past personalities and get to issues. Though voting against romulan was a no brain er.
Agreed on both counts.
Sorry if I kinda figured on that. {:-]) No you are not an open book - we have talked - and I like to think that I listened. Once in a while anyhoo.
Oh yeah, we've talked a few times about sticking to the issues and forgetting about the people/personalities. In fact, you're the one that first put me onto the idea in regards to voting. Forget the party, stick to the issues.
OH - well - um - awesome - ( I don't take credit very well - it was credit? ).
Sorry - I just think that some things should be obvious to everyone - and it startles me when ever I find that this is not so.
Yeah, it was credit. If you recall I'd been out of the political game for a long, long time so I was still stuck on the old idea of party politics. When you mentioned issues not parties, it became immediately obvious that it was the right way to go. It was one of those "well, duh" moments we all experience from time to time, especially if it's a subject we haven't really thought about much.
I do remember an enthusiastic conversation - but I guess I wrote it off as one recognizing what another was thinking as their own same thoughts. We do happen to do that a lot.
No.
He lied specifically to you and only to you.
Besides it was the good for nothing teabagge(R)s that raised my taxes, because ALEC bribed them to.
Not a single word about any cuts in the budget. The spending will go on without a single hiccup while Democrats and Republicans without balls find ways to tax without us knowing about it.