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Forum Post: Obama admin stepping up for the 99% once again.

Posted 1 year ago on April 9, 2013, 8:09 p.m. EST by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA
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"All three branches of government? The Supreme Court heard arguments on Feb. 21 in the case of Bowman v. Monsanto Co. The central question is whether farmers who buy Monsanto's Roundup Ready soybean seeds are free to do as they wish with the seeds harvested from those plantings. The justices seemed almost unanimously opposed to the farmers' arguments, and they appear poised to rule in Monsanto's favor. In a highly unusual move, the U.S. government not only filed an amicus brief supporting Monsanto but also sent a government attorney to argue on the company's behalf, highlighting the Obama administration's support for several elements of Monsanto's argument.

In March, Congress passed and President Obama signed H.R. 933, a law that anti-GE advocates have dubbed the "Monsanto Protection Act." Section 735 strips federal courts of the authority to halt the sale and propagation of genetically modified seeds and crops if concerns about health risks arise during safety tests. Did you catch that? Let's pretend we're talking about cribs instead of seeds. The corollary law would then say that if little babies' fingers kept getting chopped off in crib safety testing, the courts couldn't get involved. Disgraceful. "

continued......

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/04/08/is-monsanto-worthless.aspx

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[-] 4 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago

I agree ... I'm pissed about that too.... if Obama has valid reasons to support this shit... he needs to explain why to the people... else this will likely hurt his support more than anything else... except maybe drones... continuous war... etc....

for all you Obama haters ... I call it as I see it.... what is true is true.... I support Obama in his attempts to help the poor, middle class, sick & elderly .....

as far as his support of monsanto .... I see it as wrong ....

but I do NOT simply & generically hate anyone just because my groupie party tells me too

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

you know what I'm going to come back to-
If monsanto could not contribute to pols,
this would not be happening
seriously - GMO, jobs, prisons, taxes, war
THERE IS NOTHING OWS SEEKS
THAT DOES NOT START HERE:
http://corporationsarenotpeople.webuda.com
& the new 2013 HR29

.......................................................sever democracy from crapitalism

[-] 1 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

Good point....get to the heart of why this stuff is happening instead of treating the symptoms.

[-] 2 points by Shule (1532) 1 year ago

My right wing friends told me Obama was twisted. I did not believe them 'cause I thought the were racists. But now I'm thinking their concerns were well intentioned after all. However, I just can't get over the nut jobs they would have voted in.

[-] -1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

You have me laughing with your 'deadpan-like' comment

~Odin~

[-] -3 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

Like Romney? I agree.

[-] 2 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago

little john.... romney ... made All his money by Fucking people

[-] -2 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

I'm saying I agree with you....Romney would have been a horrible choice.

The thing most people don't understand is there were other candidates besides the two clowns the establishment set up for us.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

3rd parties are frozen out of our system. because the duopoly is selfish, & GREEDY for power.

Real election/campaign reform must occur. Do you have any ideas on that?

[-] 2 points by Shule (1532) 1 year ago

Malcom X had the right idea.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

In the latter part of his life anyway.

[-] -2 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

"3rd parties are frozen out of our system. because the duopoly is selfish, & GREEDY for power."

A self-fulfilling myth.....the longer you perpetuate that myth the longer the duopoly controls everything.

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Oh so 3rd parties aren't frozen out of the system by unfair laws written by the duopoly?

You wanna convince people that is a myth?

LOL. I can't pretend like that. Sorry.

[-] 0 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

what percentage of the national vote does a 3rd party candidate need to get into the national debates VQ?

I know you know the answer....lets hear it.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

The duopoly negotiates that each election. So it changes. But clearly if you know the process you know it ain't a myth.

So you make my case. You spew the fallacy that the GREEDY duopoly created obstacles/laws/rules are myths because you want to discourage the action/reform necessary to create fair access for 3rd parties.

If you truly support 3rd party victories, listen to the3rd parties on why they are frozen out. I ain't makin anything up. It ain't a Victor thing, the 3rd parties know it ain't no myth.

[-] -2 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

You're seriously a slimey piece of shit

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

And you prove the fact that your position is so weak you are driven to childish name calling!

LMFAO

Pathetic, dishonest, and without honor.

Support 3rd parties, reform election/campaign laws.

[-] -2 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

Yours is the f'n weak position.

15% is what you need to get in a national debate.....that's the only thing holding back the public from seeing a real candidate debate.....you're too worried about squabbling for the scraps on the table to realize you could have something much better.

"Pathetic, dishonest, and without honor."

Coming from the guy with 500 screen names....who gets on here and talks to his own screen names to throw people off his slimey f'n schemes. Real honest.

You were on multiple this morning...i posted that GMO thing and within a few minutes i got a hit from a screen name i didn't recognize as you....clicked on it....then 5 minutes later i get another hit from "inclusionman" saying the exact same thing that was listed under the other screen name.

You're a slimey political snake. Used car salesman.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

But the 15% is an average of many national polls that include somedirectly controlled by the duopoly others indirectly, and still others who have an interest in the existing duopoly.

That ain't no myth.

I use only 1 ID, Sorry to disappoint you. Your desperate attempt to distract & deflect with this dishonest, childish, personal attack is off topic.

Stick to the truth, it is life affirming.

[-] -2 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

"I use only 1 ID, Sorry to disappoint you. "

Like i said....you're a lying slimey piece of shit. I find it interesting you never correct me when i call you VQ...seems strange doesn't it?

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

People refer to me by my former username VQkag(2) when I Vex them, When they get flummoxed, when they are no longer able to debate the facts of the given topic, when their position is too weak to stand up to the truth.

They frequently do it thinking that it is some sort of insult so I take it as proof that they have in fact failed to keep up with the discussion, and therefore have lost the debate.

Just like any childish, unfounded, name calling should be taken.

Wanna get back to the debate or does this deflection constitute your concession?

So why should I correct you? VQ is 2 of my 5 initials. I still only use 1 ID.

No lie.

[+] -4 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

If people actually voted for 3rd party instead of the "lesser of the two evils".....those speed bumps for 3rd party would cease to exist.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

The unfair laws/system created by the GREEDY for power/money duopoly makes it impossible for 3rd parties to have fair access to the election process/system.

That ain't a myth. To pretend that it's a mythh only serves to discourage the action necessary to correct the unfairness.

[-] -2 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

Hell you wouldn't even have to vote for 3rd party...just suggest your preference for a 3rd party candidate in national polls and they'd actually get to debate.

You need to stop listening to the MSM.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I don't listen to MSM. That's you blatantly lying. So your resorting to unfounded, childish, personal attacks shows your position doesn't stand up to the truth.

Do you think the rules set up by duopolies on debate participation is a myth?

LOL

[-] -1 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

Tell me what those rules are VQ?

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You don't even know.?

But you said it was a myth that 3rd parties are frozen out.

Do you know what you are talkin about?. Or just talkin out of your ass?

[-] -3 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

I'm asking you....to make you look like a fool when you respond with the correct answer.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You are clearly full of shit. That is why you resort to lies in your snide insults, and can't answer the most obvious question regarding the unfair access 3rd parties must contend with.

"look like a fool"? YOU are the fool! You claim 3rd party inaccessibility is a MSM myth then admit you don't know basic rules used to obstruct them.

LOL

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

While section 735 issues sound terrible, I cannot read it anywhere.
HR933 is the general government appropriations bill that covers government spending on everything. It would be nearly impossible to veto the bill and could lead to a shut down.
Generally the problem is how junk like this can be added to a bill "undercover" I would like to know who wrote it & how it got into the bill. Why would a rep or senator vote for 735 - unless he got $ from monsanto?
and what can we do to stop corps buying our democracy?

[-] -2 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

"the U.S. government not only filed an amicus brief supporting Monsanto but also sent a government attorney to argue on the company's behalf, highlighting the Obama administration's support for several elements of Monsanto's argument."

Stop making excuses for this clown.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

why can no one post this section that everyone is complaining about?
I dont know what it says - do you?
If you do - post it.
Or do you think you should decide what is good for us?

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

thanx gsw

HR 933 SEC. 735.
In the event that a determination of nonregulated status made pursuant to section 411 of the Plant Protection Act is or has been invalidated or vacated, the Secretary of Agriculture shall, notwithstanding any other provision of law, upon request by a farmer, grower, farm operator, or producer, immediately grant temporary permit(s) or temporary deregulation in part, subject to necessary and appropriate conditions consistent with section 411(a) or 412(c) of the Plant Protection Act, which interim conditions shall authorize the movement, introduction, continued cultivation, commercialization and other specifically enumerated activities and requirements, including measures designed to mitigate or minimize potential adverse environmental effects, if any, relevant to the Secretary’s evaluation of the petition for non-regulated status, while ensuring that growers or other users are able to move, plant, cultivate, introduce into commerce and carry out other authoized activities in a timely manner: Provided, That all such conditions shall be applicable only for the interim period necessary for the Secretary to complete any required analyses or consultations related to the petition for non-regulated status: Provided further, That nothing in this section shall be construed as limiting the Secretary’s authority under section 411, 412 and 414 of the Plant Protection Act. =====================================
H.R.933 is 120 THOUSAND words - a bill full of defense and homeland security sections
Special interests have tucked in Sec 735 – a 1400 word shelter for themselves to continue selling licensed seeds to farmers though it’s coming to light these seeds were illegally USDA approved. Is it a case of retro-active ass-covering? It all starts with farmers and in the case of food and farmers, smaller is sometimes better. The jargon in Section 735 references the Plant Protection Act from 2000 and sections 411, 412 and 414 which is all way over the head of laymen affecting smaller farmers while continuing to provide steady business for larger companies.
You can find a PDF of those sections in the Plant Protection Act

According to Dave Murphy, Founder and Executive Director of FoodDemocracyNow.com, the twisted language of Section 735, “authorizes the Secretary to basically allow plantings of new GMO at anytime when a court case is taking place.” That protection for the seller was slipped in to H.R.933 and referred to as The Monsanto “Rider” where their interests were nestled in a bill pertaining mostly to defense and homeland security. The watchdog group in this case has called foul on the rider from day one citing that the permission granted, “undercuts the concept of judicial review,” and is a clear violation of the separation of powers. They constantly communicate with Senators on these matters and when a rider slips through, the people have to speak.

Again- an irrelavent section is added to a massive bill for a special interest who gives money to a senator. Lets see, what can we do about it?

we could eliminate all government
or
we could vote out this senator ( until the next one )
or
we could make it illegal for any "romney people" to donate any money

[-] 3 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago

I say put them all in the prisons they built

[-] 1 points by gsw (2727) 1 year ago

We gotta eat their shite, literally, and we don't even know what's what, GMO,

What about tomatoes with an oily layer hard to wash off. What is that.

And how about the GMO, and the corn. And Monsanto monopoly on seeds.

Where can I see more on that, anybody. Maybe a video, so I can show my kids and they'll get it,

I can find it. I'm just asking out loud to remind myself to look into it a bit.

Where's journalists on this issue?

Someone said we should start a "Ows" magazine.

[-] 2 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago

also... had this bkmrked... hav'e not watched yet...

Monsanto More Powerful Than The U.S. Government

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBwYKK85oeA

[-] 2 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago
[-] 1 points by gsw (2727) 1 year ago

Thanks BradB

Is this your vacation like me last week?

[-] 1 points by gsw (2727) 1 year ago

We need some robo calling software, to send our issues to all levels of government, news.

[-] 0 points by freakzilla3 (-75) 1 year ago

Take a lesson from BradB. He can criticize Obama when necessary. He knows it is not a bad thing. I swear, you must have pulled a muscle avoiding criticizing O in your posts.

BradB, I have mad respect for you and your posts.

[-] 0 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

Here it is...for some reason many sources don't include sec. 735. Kind of interesting....but this one does:

"Sec. 735. In the event that a determination of non-regulated status made pursuant to section 411 of the Plant Protection Act is or has been invalidated or vacated, the Secretary of Agriculture shall, notwithstanding any other provision of law, upon request by a farmer, grower, farm operator, or producer, immediately grant temporary permit(s) or temporary deregulation in part, subject to necessary and appropriate conditions consistent with section 411(a) or 412(c) of the Plant Protection Act, which interim conditions shall authorize the movement, introduction, continued cultivation, commercialization and other specifically enumerated activities and requirements, including measures designed to mitigate or minimize potential adverse environmental effects, if any, relevant to the Secretary’s evaluation of the petition for non-regulated status, while ensuring that growers or other users are able to move, plant, cultivate, introduce into commerce and carry out other authorized activities in a timely manner: Provided, That all such conditions shall be applicable only for the interim period necessary for the Secretary to complete any required analyses or consultations related to the petition for non-regulated status: Provided further, That nothing in this section shall be construed as limiting the Secretary’s authority under section 411, 412 and 414 of the Plant Protection Act."

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/113-h933/text

In english:

http://www.foodnewsie.com/articles/hr-933-section-735-monsanto-rider

[-] 2 points by shooz (26739) 1 year ago
[-] -2 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

My guy? Says who? Guys a piece of trash. Go make shit up somewhere else shooz.

[-] 0 points by shooz (26739) 1 year ago

Why haven't you mentioned him them?

Why haven't you looked for the others that write and support this kind of legislation?

Legislation is NOT created in a vacuum.

Without that information, it would appear that YOU are the one making things up.

[-] -3 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

"Legislation is NOT created in a vacuum."

No, but it can very easily be vetoed. Are there republicans in bed with Monsanto? Absolutely. But what you can't even comprehend to think about saying....is that your party is in bed with them too.

God forbid we mention the corruption of dems without including a worse hit piece on the republicans. Right shooz?

Take your partisan hackery somewhere else

[-] 3 points by shooz (26739) 1 year ago

excuse me, but you're the hack.

Monsanto itself wouldn't exist if farmers didn't support it.

Be that as it may, I do hate Monsanto, but your accusations are way off course.

http://www.portlandoccupier.org/2012/03/06/occupy-dc-closes-monsanto-for-shut-down-the-corporations/

http://www.prwatch.org/spin/2011/01/9903/whole-foods-market-caves-monsanto

http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_24986.cfm

http://coolrevolution.net/2012/02/29/monsanto-protest-in-dc-part-of-shutdown-the-corporations/

http://becauseican-2old2care.blogspot.com/2012/02/alec-protecting-gmo-pollution-through.html

http://www.occupy.com/tags/monsanto-0

I know you won't actually read anything, but you will find a common thread here.

ALEC....those friends of (R)epelican't legislation.

It's seems everyone in Occupy gets it, but you.

That being said you still refuse to admit that much of the damage is being done under the guise of States rights, that old libe(R)tarian standby.

So be careful what ask for.