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Forum Post: Nurses seek justice at Sutter

Posted 1 year ago on Nov. 9, 2012, 12:50 p.m. EST by GirlFriday (21784)
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Sutter's aggressive emphasis on money has helped it make more than $4 billion in profits since 2005. According to a Modern Healthcare survey, Sutter has the highest net patient revenue per employee among U.S. hospital chains. Sutter's Sacramento facility landed on Forbes list of America's Most Profitable Hospitals.

THESE PROFITS come at a steep cost to patients. Sutter is trying to circumvent California's landmark 2004 patient-staffing ratio law by counting charge nurses who oversee care in an area towards the ratio of nurses providing actual direct patient care on the hospital floor.

The not-for-profit charade is a defining feature of California's health care industry, according to a report from the union's research department:

Not-for-profit tax breaks for well-known California hospitals--including Cedars Sinai, Kaiser Permanente and Stanford University--dwarf the level of charity care provided. Overall, the 196 hospitals surveyed received $3.3 billion in 2010 state and federal tax exemptions and spent only $1.4 billion on charity care--a gap of $1.8 billion. Three-quarters of the hospitals got more dollars in tax breaks than they spent on charity care.

Read the entire article here

It's about time to do a smack down on those "tax breaks".

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[-] 10 points by ZenDog (20546) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

for profit medical care is insane. I mean, the people providing the care should be well compensated - not only do they require a specific set of highly technical skills coupled with high degrees of both compassion and integrity; they also place themselves at some considerable risk in the process.

Think flue pandemic, 1918.

But the infrastructure, in order to remain credible and to meet the goal of actual health care, should be based on the non-profit model.

So should the pharmaceutical industry.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (21784) 1 year ago

I agree. Now, because there is no extra cash in it for the pharmaceutical industry there is a shortage of meds.

[-] 3 points by ZenDog (20546) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

If I understand the equation right, there is cash in it - just no where near as much as there is in production of brand name drugs. Production facility space is used where it will produce the most revenue, and like the oil refineries that are operating at 98% capacity, no one seems to be investing in new pharmaceutical infrastructure.

In consequence, diseases like TB make a resurgence, in third world countries.

nice

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (21784) 1 year ago

You're right there is cash in it. But, they don't want to because it isn't enough cash.

Ya. I mean it's ok if you want to take your meds to a third world country and test it on them but don't make a move that might actually benefit.

[-] 3 points by ZenDog (20546) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

the fuckers did tests in Haiti on Aids patients.-

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21784) 1 year ago

"and are not included in Cornell's promise to provide medicine"

Like that.

[-] 3 points by ZenDog (20546) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I saw that article when it first came out in print. Made me furious then, makes me furious now. There is no excuse. The justification they make at the end of the article is the one they always use when the innocent are deliberately left to die - sacrifice one to save ten and it's for the greater good -

I say if the greater good demands such sacrifice, then let those who insist it is so stand up and place their own lives at such hazard. Always those who make such claims remain safe and secure from the consequence of their decisions. Always.

The fuckers should be shot.

When World War Two finally ended, and all of the practices of Nazi Germany were exposed to the whole world, and there was no more doubt, the free world did aver with conviction Never Again, and gave birth to the Nuremberg Code.

The ink was not even dry when we among all nations set about the deliberate subversion of Justice, Human Rights, and the rule of law.

And when human suffering, degradation, and injustice is the clear result, we see it is always those with no voice who bear the scars of abuse.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21784) 1 year ago

Ya.

That is written so well that all I can do is agree.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20546) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

The last word - abuse - it's the wrong one.

There was an article in the Boston Globe around the same time as this one, regarding Washout Therapy in the Boston area, it was a four part series.

It was conducted on the mentally ill, side affects included suicide. Once you start some of those psychotropics you can't just up and quit - yet that is exactly what Washout therapy was. And you can't very well secure informed consent from individuals whose capacity to reason is severely compromised at the outset.

  • the fukers
[-] 5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Greed is a killer - a killer of working wage ( living wage ) a killer of jobs ( less staff more moola for the top end ) a killer of people ( no money no care ).

I mean consider - 40 some odd trillion dollars hidden off shore? HOARDED

[-] 5 points by agkaiser (1299) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

The manifest purpose of economy is the concentration of wealth for the enrichment of the few. The usuries of finance, like the percentage inevitably made by a casino on aggregate play, makes the enrichment of the few and the impoverishment of the many inevitable. It's like Einstein said, "the most powerful force in the universe!" What we need in common we must do in common, on a non profit basis. For profit medicine and the FIRE are more dangerous to life than all the tyrants and terrorists since the beginning of civilization.

We must reinvent our economy, complete with non profit medicine, which works for the patients and the practitioners instead of the investors and managers.

Read 'How Does That Work' at: https://www.createspace.com/3852916

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

The intent of the system is to, Bleed Us Dry.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

They ( TPTB ) have done an excellent job of that - so I wonder what their plan is when everyone has been bled dry? Do they have a party with MSM coverage and yell and scream and dance and cry " We Won We Won" - only to wake up sometime after the party with a nasty hangover and ask themselves " NOW WHAT ? WE HAVE IT ALL EVERY SINGLE LAST DROP - THERE IS NOTHING COMING IN ANYMORE - WTF ? "

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3016) 1 year ago

In the healthcare 'industry', the charity fig leaf has long been used and abused to enable fat corporate profits and extravagant boardroom pay and 'for profit' healthcare is an enormous scam and also a huge embarrassment. Every other advanced developed country has healthcare for all but somehow we can't manage it despite being the most powerful and richest country in history. You will notice that I said 'developed' and not 'civilised' because we are obviously still trying to work on that! Now like corporations everywhere they want to exploit the workforce too. Thank you for this important post and article.

[-] 3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

hospital are taking tax breaks and not spending that money on extended care

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (21784) 1 year ago

Ya. This is also a state thang when it comes to taxes but many of these hospitals do not pay taxes because of the alleged charity. So, if you are paying property taxes then you are picking up the tab for these hospitals that seem to grow larger every time you turn around. Then they have their little secret ways of determining what constitutes "charity". Non profit operating as for profit.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yep - a long hard look oughta be taken at mega charities like the Red Cross. All charities really - and a mandate ought to be made - that for every dollar in donations made - like 85 or 90% has to go out in aid.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21784) 1 year ago

Red Cross has had so many problems for so many years that I have no idea how they manage to even exist at this point.

Yes, I would like to see charities do that. But, they can't because of the overhead. So, why do they get money from the government at all? I mean wasn't the big deal, charities do it better? Not so much.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Private charities used to be the standard of good help for those in need. TODAY ? Not so much. Although there are still some good SMALL local charities.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21784) 1 year ago

LOL. I almost agree with you. Except I think that they didn't change, I did.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

We all change - you seem to have done OK - as far as I can tell from here anyway. {:-])

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21784) 1 year ago

lol.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Hey - check this out I just saw it.

http://occupywallst.org/article/we-got-occupy-sandy/

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21784) 1 year ago

I saw it but that isn't charity. It's mutual aid.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

That is the community getting it done.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21784) 1 year ago

Yep.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

See it all the time out this way too - clean-up and what not after tornadoes or other really bad storms snow and/or rain.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Hey - check this out I just saw it.

http://occupywallst.org/article/we-got-occupy-sandy/

[-] -1 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

A week in ICU today is about 100k; but I think this might be a two sided coin - the patient will financially suffer either way.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (10721) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

As a RN myself I admit bias but I believe nurses are the backbone of healthcare.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Good post GirlFriday.

Corporations have destroyed medical. Costs are often extreme, and quality often low. When insurance pays, it actually pays a small fraction of retail, but insurance cost is based on retail. Corporations making extreme income, big pay for CEO, and they don't care if people suffer and die.