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Forum Post: EDITED 2/27/2013 - Note to Forum Admin - Why has Nevada1 been banned??? Bring him back.

Posted 1 year ago on Feb. 26, 2013, 9:08 p.m. EST by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN
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Was there some sort of unknown misunderstanding?

I can not imagine any reason for Banning Nevada1. He is not and has never been a contentious individual - in my experience.

No one here on the forum - who is a forum supporter has ever said anything bad about Nevada1.

Please look into this - as it seems a huge miscarriage of justice has been done - OR some very Nasty Hacking Of The System to Have caused Nevada1 to be Banned.

EDIT : I do not think the forum site or any of the mods have banned Nevada1. I do believe that he has been tagged so that when he logs on he gets attacked by the shill/troll/sell-out/attacker that tagged him.

And only the forum admin can look into that and correct it - help Nevada1 come back and be unmolested.

Why would an attacker tag Nevada1 for constant immediate attack? Because he is a constant steadfast positive individual on this forum - and attackers want such gone - so their job of poisoning the waters here is easier.

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[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (20443) 1 year ago

Solidarity @ Nevada1. He was always a solid OWS supporter and the most polite person here.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I can not imagine any reason why he would be banned - it is just unimaginable.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (20443) 1 year ago

Me neither. And, if he did make a faux pas, he deserves a second chance for sure!

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

With his record of contributions - he should have gotten a contact 1st from admin prior to any sort of penalty.

[-] 1 points by Nader (74) 1 year ago

Do you know for sure he was? Perhaps he is away on vacation or something.

[-] -2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Conspiracies.

That would be my guess. Definitely a nice chap though.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Agree - troll/shill/sell-out conspiracy.

Yes - he has always been a positive member of this forum.

[-] -2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

I wouldn't say "troll/shill/sell-out"

wait what? I'm confused.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Attacking Nevada1? if not trolls/shills/sell-outs who then?

[-] -2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

oh I gotcha. I'm not sure. It happened to hchc once too. He got banned.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I am thinking that this is different than hchc.

[-] 4 points by Renneye (3666) 1 year ago

We miss you Nevada1 !!!

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

YES - WE SURELY DO.

Please admin - look into this and please clean-up Nevada1's account and notify him so that he can return.

[-] 3 points by Nevada7 (19) 1 year ago

I was banned for posting conspiracy theories. Thank you all, and see you on another site.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

What???? You can't be serious. What could you possibly have posted that was found to be so offensive?

[-] 4 points by Nevada7 (19) 1 year ago

An article on the Global Elite.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

So what? There is a lot of crap that gets posted on this site and a lot of attackers also get booted - but none of them seems to have gotten as permanent a boot as you have - if that is the case.

[-] 3 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 1 year ago

Do you support the "FIRST AMMENDMENT?"

Bring back Nevada1 . . .

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yep - I support the 1st amendment - and before ya go there - this is jarts 1st amendment right - her forum - her expression - which she allows others such as you & I to comment on. Got a problem with that?

[-] 2 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 1 year ago

The site doesn't present itself as being one persons "first amendment right."

Under the ABOUT tab:

"OccupyWallSt.org is the unofficial de facto online resource for the growing occupation movement happening on Wall Street and around the world. We're an affinity group committed to doing technical support work for resistance movements."

The question comes to my mind . . . "Resistance to what and for what purpose ? ! ?" If centralized control is the mode ?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

This is jart's site - she set it up - she runs it - you don't like it? Exercise your 1st amendment right & open your own site. Like I said she is using her 1st amendment right in creating and running this site. You have the freedom to go elsewhere if you do not like how she runs "her" site.

[-] 2 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 1 year ago

Well perhaps the site should present itself that way - if you are correct - As totally owned and completely controlled by one individual.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

trashy go start your own forum and leave jart's alone.

[-] 1 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 1 year ago

I am not trashy.

This forum presents itself as a voice of/for the people. . . the 99% . . .

Is independent thought that foreign that it could only come from one poster?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

WallStreet!!

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Sure sure - you only present the same BS as trashy.

This is a site for supporters ( SUPPORTERS ) of OWS and all Occupy movements. Attackers are not welcome.

Independent thought is not a problem - people should work to be independent thinkers instead of followers of someone else's thoughts.

But that does not mean it is ok to try to subvert someone's forum - it is their forum - the one who set it up - it is not yours - it is not mine.

[-] 3 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 1 year ago

Asking the forum if it supports the 1st Amendment is hardly subversion. And if some ONE sets up a forum as their own personal forum - then it should be presented that way.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You have freedom of speech here - you don't have the right to say how the forum should be run though - yes you can complain - but it is not your forum - so I would suggest that if you have an idea for improvement that you run it by jart and see if it is something that she would like to do or even has time to do. So if you make your self a nuisance a distraction to actually discussing OWS concerns issues - then I expect that you will get the boot - this site is not about how the site could be better it is a site to discuss and forward OWS Occupy Issues.

[-] 3 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 1 year ago

This whole discussion with you began when I asked the forum does it support the 1st Ammendment. I am not discussing how to improve the site.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

How would you define "supporting" the first amendment?

Should bigots be allowed to run the show?

Should those that hate the concept of OWS be allowed to spew lies unchecked?

Should we just put up a link to FLAKESnews and call it a day?

[-] 2 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 1 year ago

Banning Nevada1 is the context.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I didn't ban him.

Did you?

It could be a software issue on either end of the connection.

If this is about 1 user why bring the 1st amendment into it?

Silly.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Then you should ask the site - though I think it a silly question. The site has put out posts on how our concerns are not getting news coverage. The site has put out posts about how our right to protest is being denied. etc etc etc etc. So again your question is silly.

[-] 3 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 1 year ago

It is not silly in light of the fact that Nevada1 has been banned.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I do not believe that Nevada1 has been banned - not by the forum - I believe that his account has been tagged by an attacker so that when he logs in he gets attacked.

[-] 3 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 1 year ago

Well, I don't know how we went off onto this tangent. Perhaps the tone of my initial post struck a wrong note with you. I am sorry if it did.

Anyway, I am glad to be able to participate in this forum because we the people ABSOLUTELY MUST come together and we WILL MAKE a difference. There is no question in my mind about that.

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

I never remember Nevada1 to be offensive, so I support bringing him back too

~Odin~

[-] -3 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Agreed. Hell, just about the only thing he usually said was "Good post." Or "Greetings." A man of few words, usually.

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

It's gotta be a mistake, I would think. I mean he was never as annoying as Tenacity or Forrester

~Odin~

[-] -1 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

You got that right!

heheheh, I've always been a fan of 'inside jokes,' Ten . . , er, I mean For . . uh . . . Odin.

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

I'm known for alternately border-line acceptable dry, or corny sense of humor. It takes a while to get used to it, and few people really get it and even fewer appreciate it. lol

~Odin~

[-] -1 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

A good sense of humor is not only a good quality, but an absolute necessity in this world. I had largely lost mine for awhile, but it seems to be returning.

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Good, I'm happy to hear that your sense of humor has returned

It's a good attribute to have in Occupy

Did you see my Sunday morning/afternoon analogy...really stupid

~Odin~

[-] -3 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

No, it's not ringing a bell. Where is it, I'll check it out before I log off in a couple minutes.

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

I don't know where it is, but it was about a ship running into Cyclone Neoliberalism. The analogy fell apart at the end when the crew took a consensus to take a direct action....and go up and get hammered when they reached The Land of The Long White Cloud, NZ. lol

If I come across it, I'll let you know

~Odin~

[-] -1 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

I did read that. You simultaneously showed a poetic bent and stumped the Brit with some cockney slang. Impressive!

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Impressive...nah just lucky. ;-)

~Odin~

[-] 0 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Aw, your just being humble.

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Shucks, maybe so

~Odin~

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

It's an admirable quality.

I was trying to think of something funny to say, but drew a blank. I'm distracted.

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Being full of yourself is not a good quality, and yes I do have to check myself. My hero growing up as a kid was Mickey Mantle who was well known for his self-depracating, humble humor.

Odin

[-] -3 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

Everyone eventually gets banned on this site. It's no mistake. It's the iron hand of anarchists - those who talk about dismantling hierarchy, but who run this website from atop the hierarchical pyramid. Jart is our God. What she says goes. Power feeds egos, and power corrupts. This is what happened.

Because there is no community effort in running this site, because the ones in charge are never rotated, because they are never held accountable for their decisions, because nobody else can take part, etc... they have become as corrupted as the 1% they point the finger at.

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

More divisiveness, disguise as 'caring' spewing form the mouth of Thr@ssy

~Odin~

[-] -3 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

Divisiveness? Where?

I only speak the truth. If there's a problem in Occupy we must point it out. I'm not the only one who realizes this site is not run in the spirit of Occupy. It's run by a person who is abusing her power, not in a community spirit.

What we need is a community made and run website which brings people from affinity groups and Internet users together.

The more you defend the way this site is operated, the more you are being divisive. Unity is achieved through community effort.

You may have a different opinion. You are welcome to accept how this site is run. But don't tell me I'm being divisive for pointing out its flaws. I'm not just criticizing, I'm also presenting a clear solution on how to fix the problem. The only one being divisive is you. You don't present arguments against my Bridge to the Ground, you only attack the proposer with logical fallacies. How does that help Occupy?

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

When you do little else here besides criticizing, and figuring out little ways to wiggle in between the differences of the different posters here..and blow them way out of proportion....ALARMS go off

Rather than worrying about making this forum better...you should work on making yourself better

And you are no better than me...and I do that regularly

~Odin~

[-] -2 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

When you do little else here besides criticizing

Little else? Can you read? I have been spending two days providing solutions on how to create a more unified website for the community as a whole.

I think it's time you start contributing solutions instead of only attacking me with logical fallacies and plain old lies (yes, the idea that I do little else than criticize is a blatant lie. I criticize the weak points, then I provide solutions.)

I provide solutions to better Occupy, I do it all the time. I did it for the imagery, I did it for how the black bloc is used, and now I'm doing it for this website.

Where are your solutions? Do you have any contributions of worth on this website, or do you spend your time attacking others?

Now I see why you were banned so many times. You just don't jive with the community spirit of Occupy.

[-] -1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

I joined at the start, and I've not had a ban.

I think the original group who set this place up still use it as intended, meaning as a place to post #ows news and messages to regular users.

There probably was a degree of moderation, but if you recall the levels of trolling here, anyone would have given up on trying to keep it in check.

Now, we are down to a handful of earnest and useful regulars, and some particularly onanistic morons (perhaps just one, who knows?).

Let's see what we can come up with, in regards to a new venture for some realistic debate/group think efforts, towards a meaningful future vision for #ows.

[-] -2 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

I think the original group who set this place up still use it as intended, meaning as a place to post #ows news and messages to regular users.

This site was originally intended by jart as being a place where occupiers would come to organize their events. It never worked out that way and she has admitted to this in many of her comments. That was awhile back, and since we can't search for individual comments I can't find them again.

I joined at the start, and I've not had a ban.

Knock on wood.

[-] -2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Actually the whole site disappeared for me a while back, but that's more likely a server issue at my end. I had hackers in my email accounts, and three attempted intrusions a week on my hard drive. Meh. Nothing to hide there.

The three offshoots from this place, Gypsy's, Richards, and one I can't even recall now, are probably still running.

What we need to address is, what is it about this place that keeps people coming back, and how can we replicate that.

A very popular American board I was helping to moderate (I was awake when most of them were snoozing, me being on the other side of the planet) was popular simply because of overt controversy, and constant fights between members. There were sections of the board set up for one-on-one arguments, and that is necessary for adult debating. It was up to the duellists as to whether they wanted to make their debate public, or simply invite a couple of viewers along for the ride.

So, from my experience, it's not formality and manners and courteous regulations and constant moderation fears that make a great forum. It's the opposite, really. Within reason. Users that did step outside of the rather loose rules were simply "idiot-boxed", meaning they were labelled as idiots, alongside their avatar or user name, and their posting "priveliges" were curtailed to not being able to post new threads, and not being able to delete or edit any of their own posts. They could still post, if they chose to.

Its a balance between making a site interesting, and making it usable.

From memory, that site was bought by a noob, and he destroyed it. Talk was, it was a see eye aye plant, because we discussed some pretty serious issues, alongside the bickering and boisterous stuff.

That's my two cents.

[-] -2 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

Do you have links to these offshoot sites from Gypsy, Richard, etc...?

I'm a firm believer that form dictates function. A site properly built for the intended purpose would make that purpose realizable. One thing that is crucial is that a connection to affinity groups be established before the site is built. They need to help with the community effort of planning and building the site. This is key. When the site goes online, they have to use it, not only Internet folks who have no real connection with affinity groups.

I think this forum is appealing because of the way posts and comments are listed. It's based on reedit. Unlike PHPbb and other similar forums, you don't have to wade through zillions of pages to read the comments to a post. It's all in one place. I also like how comments branch out with their replies. It makes it easier to have and follow side discussions.

The site I am imagining would have more than a forum. It would have a list of tasks to accomplish so that anybody can pick them up. Like redmine or github has for programmers on open-source projects. It would also have polling and voting mechanisms. And, perhaps, many other mechanisms to help people get involved into the actions and events of Occupy. We have to brainstorm all of this with people here, elsewhere on the web, and in affinity groups.

The members of affinity groups would be engaged on the site. They would help keep things on track as they would bring up the latest developments and concerns of Occupy. Here, we only have a news article once in awhile, and we don't know who the writers are and they don't engage us in the comments.

If people have the power to influence actions, they will come in droves. The site is loosing many users now because what is posted here does not have the power to influence actions.

A lot of regular users are just addicts. This is clear. That does not mean they aren't genuine, but I'm sure if they had a way to influence Occupy and really participate, they would choose that way over this forum.

[-] -2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

I'm referring to PHPbb, of course, and I'm more familiar with that kind of site format. I don't particularly like this reedit format. It gets too jumbled as to who is replying to whom, and the search function is about as useful as a hip pocket in a singlet.

Richard's blog was advertised in nearly every post he made in the early days, and if gypsy hasn't invited you to his blog, then I'm not about to post a link. Can't recall the name of the other one, but it was set up for the same reasons you are proposing; get rid of multiple user accounts, and formalise debates.

There are plenty of others, and this one came up in the search "occupy wall street forum". http://www.reddit.com/r/alloccupy

[-] -1 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

I know of the blogs, I thought you meant some people had created new forums.

I don't think it helps much to create offshoots like that. Especially if they are designed on private invites to suit only a small clique of people.

What we need is a hub, a center piece on the Internet where people can participate and see their contributions become realities on the ground. This would be needed in the future anyhow, since a better world where everyone who wants to participate in economic and political decisions would need this type of website. It's a big project and could take a long time to implement properly. The effort of many many people would be needed.

Well, we disagree on forum format. I think PHPBB is horrible. Vanilla and this one I like much better. But, that's not so important. We could easily make a forum with two front ends, one like PHPBB and another in the style of reedit. Users could choose whatever front-end they want to use in the site's settings. It would be open-source software, so other programmers could even make other frontends.

The search function has little to do with the format. I agree it's weak. It could be improved a whole lot, and would if this was a community effort where many programmers could help out instead of being a one woman show.

What's important is to create a site that is linked to the ground. We have to establish those links beforehand so that the community as a whole helps plan and build the site.

Can't recall the name of the other one, but it was set up for the same reasons you are proposing; get rid of multiple user accounts, and formalise debates.

No, those are not my main reasons. I don't even care that much about multiple accounts since they don't affect ideas at all. I just care about what people write, I don't care if they use 100 different usernames to do that. I'm able to read ideas and judge them on their own merit. The proposer is of no importance to me.

The main reason is to create a way for users here to affect what goes on at the ground level. For discussions here to have an impact in reality. This will give meaning to what is discussed on the web, by giving power to everyone who wants to participate with Occupy even though they can't make it to affinity groups. It will also give more power to affinity groups since they'll have more active participants. People on the web can really help. They shouldn't only be observers.

[-] -3 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

I believe Gypsy's and Richard's sites are blogs, not OWS offshoots. I have Gypsy's bookmarked but Richard disappeared before I could get it. I have some thoughts about a potential new site but they'll have to wait until tomorrow. I'm getting ready to log off soon.

[-] -1 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

Alright. I'm eager to hear about your thoughts! Don't forget to post them tomorrow!

[-] -3 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

I will. I'm off now.

[-] -2 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Here's jart's comment to therising from her post "Watch me test this thing." It explains it:

[-] 1 points by therising (6915) 1 year ago

Two honest questions here and please forgive my naïveté. If you didn't create for debate and discussion, was it your intention (if you don't mind me asking) that the site be used more for action / planning of actions / spreading real news etc.?. That's my guess. If I'm prying, feel free obviously to ignore me. I'm genuinely interested though because I can venture a guess at how much of yourself you put into developing and maintaining this site.

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[-] 1 points by jart (1006) from New York, NY 1 year ago

"If you didn't create for debate and discussion, was it your intention (if you don't mind me asking) that the site be used more for action / planning of actions / spreading real news etc.?"

Bingo! We also had the same intention when we started /r/occupywallstreet but watched it quickly turn into a place where people talk about politics rather than actually working to make the event happen. That's just how reddit is, people like to debate. So I figured rather than fighting that tendency, letting reddit be the D&D board and whipping up a quick and dirty forum (based on the article commenting system I'd already written) that would be specifically for organizers and to build upon the map system which was already helping radicals get in touch with others in their local area.

[-] 0 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

That's it! Thanks a bunch.

Her initial idea was this type of Bridge to the Ground I am talking about. The problem is it wasn't planned properly. I still think it's possible. What she forgot to do was actually connect real occupiers to the site from the beginning. If an affinity group or two would have started to use the site to plan their events, then it would have taken off. People tend to imitate what the first posters do on a site. I truly believe a site built by the community, run by the community, and used from the get-go by people in affinity groups could make this reality happen.

[-] -2 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Your welcome. That post is burned into my mind, and I've used that comment a number of times in explaining to people, usually newcomers, what the site was meant to be. Some newcomers along the way actually thought this was a political site, especially before last year's election.

If more people knew this, they'd realize your idea is closer to the true intent of this forum. And why I was receptive to your idea when you first proposed it.

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[-] -2 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

The only thing I can figure out is maybe something was said in PMs, because it couldn't have been something on the open forum.

[-] -3 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

I don't think the moderators check PMs. Perhaps they do, but we'll never know because they never answer our questions.

Is this really an Occupy forum? I thought Occupy was about the community? A member is banned for no apparent reason and we can't even get an answer as to why. Nonetheless, a donation button appears at the top of this site asking us to support this supposedly community effort. Jart writes most of the articles that appear here, but she never signs them. Why? The only reason I know is because the last article by Graeber mentions her name and the fact that she wrote the consensus articles that preceded his.

[-] -1 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

I figure maybe something was said in a PM and the recipient complained to jart, not that the mods read them. It's the only thing I can think of.

I also agree that getting no feedback from the team is a red flag. Jart's apology for the downtime recently is the only thing we've heard from any of them in a very long time.

[-] -3 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

Yes, and jart has not updated the code in over 5 months.

Even after a user is banned he can use his private messages. Perhaps you should ask Nevada why he thinks he got banned. I'm sure he remembers something he might have done which preceded his banning.

[-] -2 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Good idea. Why hasn't someone already done that, I wonder?

[-] 2 points by Renneye (3666) 1 year ago

I tried. About 10 days or so after he was gone, he managed to get a PM to me, explaining that he was banned, and that he's trying to get back on the forum. He mentioned that he had tried asking administration why he was banned, but received no reply. I responded to him and asked why he thought he may be banned, but I didn't hear back from him. I tried again a couple of weeks ago, but again, no reply.

If there's any good in this, its that we have a bit of a democratic process going on here with our best comments section, where any one of the forum members can show support for Nev1 by voting for his ban release. Feels like the first time we've used that section as a community, to work together. Feels good.

[-] 0 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Yes it does feel good coming together as a community.

His ban is disturbing tho. It makes even less sense than Odin's ban, because at least with Odin we know the reason why.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Hey Nevada!

Have you tried logging in from a different computer?

[-] -3 points by oldJanet (-14) 1 year ago

For what? To bypass an IP ban and create another sock puppet. Aren't you against sock puppets? You rave against them all the time. What's this, some banned users you support and others you don't? Was Nevada1 part of your Twinkle Team?

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Well your deludedness(sic), if you're writing a book, leave that part out.

Oh and stop asking questions until such time as you become capable of honestly answering those asked of you.

dishonestjane for today,eh?

[-] 1 points by Nevada5 (8) 1 year ago

Thank you friends. Three minutes and still on.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Hopefully you can remain on - but really - see if the site can spot anything - or see if you can change your IP or something.

[-] 0 points by AlwaysWillBeAlwaysRight (-72) 1 year ago

EDIT : I do not think the forum site or any of the mods have banned Nevada1. I do believe that he has been tagged so that when he logs on he gets attacked by the shill/troll/sell-out/attacker that tagged him.

This is a great example of the start of a conspiracy theory. You provide no evidence for your claims, and you don't explain what you mean by "tagged". How exactly would an attacker "tag" Nevada1? Can you support your claims, or are they simple delusions you fantasize about?

[-] 0 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

Can't say I know Nevada1. but bring him back anyway!

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

EDIT : I do not think the forum site or any of the mods have banned Nevada1. I do believe that he has been tagged so that when he logs on he gets attacked by the shill/troll/sell-out/attacker that tagged him.

[-] 4 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Seems like an empty target. Nev1 doesn't engage the troll like you for instance.

Why wouldn't you & shooz by the target.

Somethin don't add up.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

http://occupywallst.org/forum/search/?q=user%3ANevada1

If he is guilty of anything it is because his sentences are shorter. He did not engage in negativity but still posted. That seems to be a threat.

[-] 4 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Wow. As many have stated I am struggling with the logic of attacking that type of innocuous behavior.

but it is what it is.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Anyone who is still on this forum is here out of sheer defiance and good old fashioned stubbornness.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Indeed. Good luck to all and especially Nev!

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

"Defiance" can get you booted too GF..lol, so there goes that theory

~Odin~

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

It can. It isn't a theory. I don't have an issue with being banned. If the powers that be so determine that---ok. What I will NOT do is be intimidated.

[-] 3 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

"Theory,"...OK, bad choice of words. In a different sense, it is because of "powers that be" is why we are here.

Yes, I have noticed at least once or twice that you do not take any shit ;-)

Odin

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Dedication beyond intimidation. {:-])

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

NICE

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Tanks.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

OH NOOOO say it ain't SOOOOO.

Tanks?

Have you caught a MIC ailment? Quick get down to emergency - maybe they can boost your immune system with a shot of interferon.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Haha. No. I actually picked it up from a coworker.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Hazards of the workplace. Still get down to emergency. {:-])

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

We are along with others like beautifulworld GirlFriday therising etc etc etc

This attack on Nevada1 is only one of the many attacks on this forum.

[-] 4 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Well you would know better than me. Unusual attack, anyone else attacked like that?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I was - back several months ago - others would have to speak for themselves.

[-] 4 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You were unable to log on for more than a few minutes? Or was it a different type of attack?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

It was a series of attacks on my PC - but those are not the only attacks either - bot attacks also.

[-] 5 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Sounds nasty. I recall some of that.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Two main instigators of that style of attack and series of attacks on other users = trashy and vvvironbuttbruce.

[-] 4 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I remember vvvv user. Trashy is well known. I vote for ignoring them.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I do my best - but trashy likes to play at games of subversion - so I will slap it down when it starts playing it's game.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You're a good soldier. Much support, in all your efforts, 1st and foremost with Nev1.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Thx - I hope the site will take up the matter and look into it and help Nevada1 out.

[-] 4 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Well done, knew i could count on you. That is a connection to real action on the ground. I've emailed to many news outlets. If we annoy them with many emails, who knows we might see a story, & therefore educate, inspire some to activism.

Thx

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

We are the news service - until the news services are brought back into delivering the news - all of the news - minus spin.

[-] 4 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Yeah man.

Didja see the lawsuit occupy mounted today against the SEC/FED?

[-] 4 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Yeah man.

Didja see the lawsuit occupy mounted today against the SEC/FED?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Saw and tweeted may others also TWEET/SHARE/SPREAD THE WORD

[-] 0 points by SteadyRock (63) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Ban is for parasites only who make no sense!!! Bring back all carelessly deleted accounts. Don't you be scared of ugly truth!? BE SCARED of Public Opinion!!!

[-] 0 points by ProblemSolver (79) 1 year ago

I think Shayneh was banned too.. She had some clear thinking / intelligent posts and never once did I see her throw an insult... I liked her.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You would trashy in your line of sock puppets what number was that one?

[-] 1 points by ProblemSolver (79) 1 year ago

No way .. can't be .. impossible .. ..

[-] 0 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

DKA, shouldn't the question be, who is running the forum??? They rule like the same oligarchs we're currently trying to expose and remove from power.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Don't like the forum?

You can leave at any time and start your own.

[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

You sound just like a redneck saying, America, love it or leave it.

We must be courageous enough to acknowledge and repair the faults within our own house if we are to repair the faults within our country.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Not at all ( but are you a redneck? it is said it takes one to know one - I am not - but oft times people will attribute their own reasoning on someone else ).

This forum is just fine and dandy when trolls/shills/sell-outs are not attacking it. Well that is pretty constant - still a lot of good posts get placed here and information as well - and then is shared out to other places.

So if a way could be found to permanently remove trolls/shills/sell-outs - then all would be good.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

So how do you like the present forum's power structure? It seems to be concentrated at the top, with no redress of grievances allowed from below. Hardly at all in the Anarchic tradition that they espouse. There is no Democracy here. None. Why are you afraid to confront this forum's faults?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I am not afraid to confront faults in the forum - In the past I contacted the forum and had it remove the collapse comment feature. You and anyone else can do the same = contact the site and present your issue (S). But when all is said and done - this is "jart's" Forum - so make your presentation - make it a good presentation - and perhaps you will see it instituted.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

How would you describe this forum's structure? As a Democracy or as a Dictatorship?

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

She doesn't reply to people who don't kiss her goddess ass.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Maybe she does not like you - for good reason? Are you an asshole that contacts her with garbage? Or in a confrontational manner? Or Both? Your comment would seem to indicate that you are a confrontational asshole dealing in garbage.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

No, I've politely asked. No cuss words either. Because I question some aspects of Occupy's forum setup does not mean that I am against it entirely, just the parts that are broken and need to be repaired. Exactly as we in the Occupy movement aren't against the the entire U.S. economic and political system, just the parts that are broken and need to be repaired.

Still waiting for your reply to this question. How would you describe this forum's structure? Does it most closely resemble a democracy or a dictatorship?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

It most closely resembles a forum with no tolerance for attackers. This forum was never set up to be a democracy - it was set up to be a gathering place for OWS Occupy Supporters. Created and run by one individual - inside a set of rules ( that need updating ) - if you do not like that - can not wrap your mind around it - leave.

Or continue to contribute and forward thoughts for consideration to the owner/administrator of the site.

Bottom line this is not your site it is not my site - we are just guests here.

[-] 0 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

How can we attempt to repair the great faults in our nation if we can't repair the tiny ones in this forum?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You seem unwilling or unable to try. Work with the forum and not against it and you will make progress. This same truth goes with working with the public.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Have you made any progress getting Nevada1 reinstated?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Don't know as of yet - we only just started to address the issue.

[-] -3 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

That's the type of divisive attitude we need to stop. This forum is considered and advertised as the hub of Occupy. It has a donation button. Users should be allowed to bring up grievances about it. The community of Occupy has a say on how a piece of software that is run on Occupy donation money is operated. The day we can't criticize our own movement is the day we die. We need to embrace criticism, not lash out at it with trollish behavior.

If you don't agree with jrhirsch, ask him why he thinks this way. There might be good reason. You could debate the issue seriously, and perhaps learn something in the process.

What's the point of coming here and lashing out at all those you disagree with, and giving high fives to those you agree with? Where does that lead? Nowhere.

What we need is serious discussions.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

But you're not honest, so that kind of negates much of your opinion on the subject.

However, I'm a patient, forgiving kind of guy, so I will offer an olive branch, one more time.

Why don't you go ahead now and make some cogent comments in threads about our mutual concerns.

There are plenty of threads available to you on subjects like bigotry, dilbit pipelines, fracking, student debt, Koch brothers malfeasance and ALEC just to mention a few..........These are all things OWS has performed actions on, so you can do that and still be true to yourself.

And please. control your insulting nature, when you do.

It's up to you to restore a feeling of comradery with the other posters here in support of OWS.

[+] -4 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

There are plenty of threads available to you on subjects like bigotry, dilbit pipelines, fracking, student debt, Koch brothers malfeasance and ALEC just to mention a few..........These are all things OWS has performed actions on, so you can do that and still be true to yourself.

These are secondary issues for Occupy at the moment.

We must focus on enhancing our communication to create a way for Internet users to participate and affect change. This will grow the movement to a much larger audience. We can't create a worldwide movement without a strong technological solution to the problem of worldwide participation. This is the driving force we need to work on.

The issues you bring up are important, but there are many groups working on them. We need to focus on what is special about Occupy, and that's the idea of having everyone from the population participate in economic and political decisions.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Then why don't YOU participate in those discussions, instead using your talents to minimize and ignore them?

Like I told you there IS another forum on the site to discuss what you are proposing.

Why disrupt this one with lies and dishonesty?

[-] -3 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

There's another forum on this site? Where? Is it hidden? I only see one button that leads to a forum on this site.

Then why don't YOU participate in those discussions, instead using your talents to minimize and ignore them?

I'm not sure what you are talking about. I have been discussing the idea of a Bridge to the Ground all week.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You didn't answer the questions.

Is your ego to big to see them?

[-] -3 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

I don't know where this second forum of yours is to be found. I ever only saw one forum on this site. So no, my ego does not stop me from finding this hidden second forum, my ignorance of it does. Can you provide a link?

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Oh, gosh. Your ego really is that big.

I believe I already talked to you about answering questions.

Did you forget?

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

So YOU think YOU are the GOD of Occupy now?

You get to decide what's important??

YOU!!!!

Banned multiple times for bad behavior against the forums posters???

Those threads ARE the bridge to ground, if you want them to be.

But you really, really don't.

Oh and by the way, I've donated money to OWS too, and I think you are so far out line here that YOU deserve NO respect for what you have said and done here..

So much for an olive branch, now that's YOU being completely devisive and insulting.

Who did say you used to be around here.

A little honesty will go a long, long way.

[-] -2 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

So YOU think YOU are the GOD of Occupy now?

Not at all. I'm simply expressing an opinion and explained why I don't comment on the postings which you find important. You are free to talk about Alec. I never bothered you about that. Why should you bother me about caring for a software solution. Jart cares about that too, do you bother her?

You get to decide what's important??

I get to decide what's important for me, of course. I can choose which threads and posts I want to reply to depending on what I feel are the important issues to talk about. You are free as well. You don't have to post on the postings you don't find important.

Those threads ARE the bridge to ground, if you want them to be.

They are not. If you think so, it's because you fail to understand what the Bridge to the Ground is. Read my postings about it. Read jart's last paragraph on her article about stopping the use of consensus (she talks about a similar software solution in that paragraph).

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Yeah, you ARE acting like the OWS GOD.

You are not.

You are dishonest and insulting, and you have brought your personal issue to exactly the wrong place.

Now, be honest for just a minute and tell us what your former usernames were......

You can do it. C'mon. Set your ego aside.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

If it listed all of it's puppets names it might temporarily clog the system.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

LOL.

Dishonesty, your name for the day is oldJanet.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

And forever trashy. aAHHAahaha

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

It won't admit that.

It may, or may not be.

What's important is that it's disruptive. divisive and dishonest.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Truth - whatever name it uses - the game is the same - poison the waters.

[-] -2 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

Is he VQ and all his names as well? I've been ignoring all of those, trying to starve him out.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I would guess not - but if you have an issue with a user - then by all means ignore them if that is what you want.

[-] -1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

when you live in NYC you learn it's a good idea to avoid people who argue with themselves.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

trashy does that all the time - even takes the time to make sock puppets to argue with - then oft times forgets which sock it is and starts arguing against points it just tried to make - hilarious.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

The people who are acting like OWS gods are running this forum right now. Should we bow down and pray that Nevada1 be resurrected? Or should we instead rip off the curtain they hide behind?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

If you can find a curtain, go ahead and tear it off.

I for one, would like to know who's running sock puppets and bots, and how many.

[-] -3 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

I had hundreds. I don't remember them. I like making sock puppets because it's fun. I make a few every single day. What's cool about sock puppets is that it outs people like you who are unable to judge ideas on their own merit, and always must judge the proposer instead. Those who can't analyze the worth of an idea agree with their friends and disagree with their enemies. That's what you do.

I suggest you start using sock puppets as well. It gives a sort of anonymity to your comments. You'll be surprised that the same comments with a different username will give you a whole different experience on this site. As a new user, you'll most likely be attacked by DKAtoday. People will dislike your comments because they don't know you. When you give a compliment or two and make some friends, everyone will like your comments. It really doesn't matter what your comments are at all. It just matters who your friends are. If you become friends with the Twinkle Team, then your comments will be showered with twinkle after twinkle.

So yeah, making sock puppets is a good idea for those who want their ideas judged on their own merits. Plus, sock puppets are just plain fun. I think everyone should use them. This would be a better site if usernames would be completely hidden, and, one way to do that is to keep changing usernames.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

[-] 0 points by oIdJanet (10) 5 minutes ago I had hundreds. I don't remember them. I like making sock puppets because it's fun. I make a few every single day. What's cool about sock puppets is that it outs people like you who are unable to judge ideas on their own merit, and always must judge the proposer instead. Those who can't analyze the worth of an idea agree with their friends and disagree with their enemies. That's what you do. I suggest you start using sock puppets as well. It gives a sort of anonymity to your comments. You'll be surprised that the same comments with a different username will give you a whole different experience on this site. As a new user, you'll most likely be attacked by DKAtoday. People will dislike your comments because they don't know you. When you give a compliment or two and make some friends, everyone will like your comments. It really doesn't matter what your comments are at all. It just matters who your friends are. If you become friends with the Twinkle Team, then your comments will be showered with twinkle after twinkle. So yeah, making sock puppets is a good idea for those who want their ideas judged on their own merits. Plus, sock puppets are just plain fun. I think everyone should use them. This would be a better site if usernames would be completely hidden, and, one way to do that is to keep changing usernames. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink


Well, that's an entirely different stance than the one from 2 days ago.

[-] -2 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

Why do you copy/paste a comment you are replying to? If you really want to do that useless activity, at least include the paragraphs.

I always thought sock puppets were good. That's why I use them. I don't remember saying they weren't. I said there were ways to stop them if the people here wanted to. I even explained how in detail. Problem is, no one wants to stop them. Most likely, other people also think sock puppets are fun and useful.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

You know why.

No, you said you changed your ways.

[-] -2 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

Can you point to the comment you are referring to? I don't think I ever said I didn't use sock puppets anymore. That would make little sense since it's obvious I do. I don't try to hide. All my usernames start with 'old'. I make it obvious.

I don't use bots. I stopped that over a year ago. Maybe that's what you are referring to?

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I'm not hunting it down Your words were to the effect of you weren't going to use multiple IDs anymore and that should you be banned we would know who you were by the Old in any name.

In fact, that is why you replied to my post on another thread, isn't it? To make sure that I saw that you were back.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

That is one of it's funnyisms - it stalks then blames the target.

[-] -2 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

Ya, like I said, I always use 'old' as a prefix now.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Dishonest and proud of it then?

A ego so inflated you can't see your core self anymore.

Pathetic.

You consider the posters on this forum your toys, and by proxy OWS.

There is nothing good nor wholesome about you.

[-] 0 points by ProblemSolver (79) 1 year ago

Were you Shayneh ?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Is this our "you ain't seen nothin' yet?"

[-] 0 points by peacehurricane (293) 1 year ago

No this is! Please do keep from "our" for I can serve one master and it is bigger than any/all humans and of LOVE for always and then some...

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

And then some.........

[-] -2 points by peacehurricane (293) 1 year ago

You? Well amen the turn around you should be busy writing kind things for awhile to make good on your past and godspeed your delivery. Blow me!

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Not in this lifetime.

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[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Is this our "you ain't seen nothin' yet?"

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[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Is this our "you ain't seen nothin' yet?"

[-] -1 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

No.

[-] 1 points by ProblemSolver (79) 1 year ago

ran out of reply buttons below..

what do you look like .. age ?

[-] -2 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

Girl. Asian. 24. I wear thongs with low-cut jeans. Brown curly hair when permed and dyed, straight black hair when not. NYC. Like coffee and donuts, but only good quality ones.

[-] 1 points by ProblemSolver (79) 1 year ago

I don't believe that .. not for a second. You don't drink coffee.

[-] -1 points by ProblemSolver (79) 1 year ago

Were you April ?

[-] -1 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

No.

Just make a list of all the names you want to ask about and I'll answer with yes's and no's to all of them. I remember who I wasn't, and I can remember who I was if the name is brought back to my memory, but I can't list all the names from the top of my head.

[-] 1 points by ProblemSolver (79) 1 year ago

Who are you right now ?

[-] 0 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

oldJanet. No one else. I was oldJohn just before. I haven't used a user without the prefix 'old' in over 5 months. I was oldJim two weeks ago. oldJack too. Just look for 'old'.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Good question......................:)

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yeah and you being such a truthful troll/shill will just own up to em all.

Sure - and gasoline is healthy to drink as well.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Trashy go sit and spin somewhere else.

Hell it is likely that you are the one attacking Nevada1 in the 1st place.

[-] -3 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

Do you have any ideas about Occupy?

What do you think about the idea of a Bridge to the Ground? Don't you think an Internet website of this nature is required by the movement.

What about the moderation on this website? Do you agree with it?

Share your ideas. Don't just rant and troll.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Stinkle trashy stinkle.

You have a non starter for an argument.

This site is fully integrated with the ground actions.

From the header ( above ) :

The revolution continues worldwide!

[-] -3 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

This site is fully integrated with the ground actions.

No, it's not. If it was, jart wouldn't be contemplating the idea of creating a software similar to the Bridge to the Ground project I am discussing.

Your comment comes from ignorance. Read my posts about the Bridge to the Ground and you will understand the concept and see how this site is not it at all. Not even close.

Also, read jart's postings on the matter. She talks about this software idea at the end of her "stop consensus" article.

She also talked about how this site was supposed to be like a Bridge to the Ground but ended up being a site where people like you come to banter about politics. Sad really.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Your comments come from spin the same old attack the forum spin you have always tried to promote - and throw tantrums when you are found out and shot down.

[-] -2 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

If the proposer is getting in the way of your judgement, then just read jart's comments about the idea.

In any case, don't stay ignorant on the matter. This idea of a Bridge to the Ground is very important at this stage. That's why jart and other anarchists are talking about it. It's a big buzz in the field of democratic studies. We have technology to connect the whole world for the first time. This is our chance to build real democracy where the people can come together and make decisions about political and economic matters. It's crucial for Occupy. We can't physically realize the idea of a general assembly on each street corner, but we can realize the same goal with the Internet.

Don't be afraid of what you don't comprehend. Take the plunge and start learning!

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yes being connected to ground activities is important - that is why this site promotes ground activities and reports on them.

"Your" crusade is BULLSHIT - 1st last and always.

[-] -2 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

Getting reports from ground activities is not being connected, it's just being an observer. Are you connected to Obama's actions because you can read the news about what they are? No.

The Bridge to the Ground is a two way street. It means the Internet users are not mere observers. They would intermingle directly with people from affinity groups. They could accomplish tasks directly for affinity groups. They could vote on decisions, discuss important issues, etc... What they discuss would have an impact in practice.

You need to read up on the idea because your comments are based on ignorance. I talked about it, jart talked about it, many scholars who study technology and democracy talked about it. Believe me, this site is not it.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Spew on - spewer of lies and filth. You have been trying to poison the water here from the very beginning.

The announcements are not one way - they provide information on how to get involved and provide contact links.

You hate this site and it shows in your extended explanations.

Though your reasoning is all a lie as is your saying you support OWS/Occupy.

[-] -1 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

The announcements are not one way - they provide information on how to get involved and provide contact links.

Sure, but that's not the kind of involvement I'm talking about with the Bridge to the Ground. Nor is it the kind of involvement jart is talking about with her similar software. Please read up on the projects.

People from affinity groups would use a site like the Bridge to the Ground. You would discuss with them directly, you wouldn't just get their email contacts. As you might have seen, even if you send emails here you seldom get a reply.

You have this site's admin email. Does that mean you are connected to them? Really, you say you are? Dude, they don't even reply to your questions about Nevada. You have no connection at all.

Connected means interacting directly.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

And the bridge is firmly in place and getting better with each passing day.

You have nothing to complain about - but there you are.

Trying to poison the water same as your 1st day on the site.


[-] -1 points by oIdJanet (-17) 9 minutes ago

Take some time to study the ideas presented to you and you won't come off as ignorant. The Bridge to the Ground is an important idea. Very important. It's the future upon which Occupy rests. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] -1 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

And the bridge is firmly in place and getting better with each passing day.

You think this site serves as a Bridge to the Ground and you think it's getting better each day?

Are you suffering from severe delusions? Even the anarchists behind Occupy, even the top guns like Graeber, recognize that Occupy is in a crisis situation. Most people on this site realize the problems this site is having. My friend, what kind of connection do you have when you can't even get your questions about Nevada answered? Why are you deluding yourself?

Jart talked about the Bridge to the Ground herself. Many scholars also did. I did. Take your blinders off. Your ignorance makes you look foolish. It's sad. Very sad. Especially since you're one of the most active users here. You should know better.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

No not angry or tense - just laughing at your endless BS. How you try to sell something and then sabotage yourself - you seem to be conflicted (?) or to have a self destructive nature.


[-] 0 points by oIdJanet (-17) 0 minutes ago

Don't remain ignorant about the idea for a Bridge to the Ground. Read up on my ideas and on jart's. It's important.

And, take a walk outside sometimes. It'll do you some good. You sound very tense, almost angry. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] -2 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

Take some time to study the ideas presented to you and you won't come off as ignorant. The Bridge to the Ground is an important idea. Very important. It's the future upon which Occupy rests.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You have nothing and you never will have anything. As that is your intent and purpose.

You don't like this site ( obvious ) yet you won't leave ( hmmm why not? ) you say you want to make the site better ( but what you offer is either unclear or already in existence ) no your only intention has been and remains to be - fucking with this forum/site - and the only clear reasoning for that would be - that you are not a supporter of Occupy - but are a supporter of the corpoRATists.

[-] -1 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

Don't remain ignorant about the idea for a Bridge to the Ground. Read up on my ideas and on jart's. It's important.

And, take a walk outside sometimes. It'll do you some good. You sound very tense, almost angry.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Connected means interacting directly.

That is what the links are for - dummy.

[-] -1 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

It's not the kind of connection these projects are referring too. Please inform yourself instead of staying ignorant. Read up on jart's idea, on my idea, etc... Get back to us when you have learned some more. It's useless to discuss an idea when the other person doesn't even understand it.

[-] 1 points by Renneye (3666) 1 year ago

Critical point being;

"This idea of a Bridge to the Ground is very important at this stage. That's why jart and other anarchists are talking about it. It's a big buzz in the field of democratic studies. We have technology to connect the whole world for the first time. This is our chance to build real democracy where the people can come together and make decisions about political and economic matters. It's crucial for Occupy. We can't physically realize the idea of a general assembly on each street corner, but we can realize the same goal with the Internet."

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I refuse to downvote you and many times I agree with you, but I think the critical point is here:

[-] 0 points by oIdJanet (10) 5 minutes ago I had hundreds. I don't remember them. I like making sock puppets because it's fun. I make a few every single day. What's cool about sock puppets is that it outs people like you who are unable to judge ideas on their own merit, and always must judge the proposer instead. Those who can't analyze the worth of an idea agree with their friends and disagree with their enemies. That's what you do. I suggest you start using sock puppets as well. It gives a sort of anonymity to your comments. You'll be surprised that the same comments with a different username will give you a whole different experience on this site. As a new user, you'll most likely be attacked by DKAtoday. People will dislike your comments because they don't know you. When you give a compliment or two and make some friends, everyone will like your comments. It really doesn't matter what your comments are at all. It just matters who your friends are. If you become friends with the Twinkle Team, then your comments will be showered with twinkle after twinkle. So yeah, making sock puppets is a good idea for those who want their ideas judged on their own merits. Plus, sock puppets are just plain fun. I think everyone should use them. This would be a better site if usernames would be completely hidden, and, one way to do that is to keep changing usernames. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink


and here: [-] -1 points by oIdJanet (10) 18 minutes ago Sock puppets are just plain fun. And, who cares. What matters are ideas, not the proposer. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

[-] 1 points by Renneye (3666) 1 year ago

Thanks for contacting me GF. I had seen that post. I knew that I may hear from some of the forum members if they thought that I might be supporting Thras.

Let me just say, that I'm under no illusions with Thras. I am arguably, one of the top two or three people that Thras tried to torment early on, so I personally know of his methods. I'm well aware that his arrogance, betrayal and ego know no bounds. I'm also aware that, despite my support for a 'Bridge to the Ground', he'd be the first to ban me, if he could.

There was a time when Thras did a smashing job of tarnishing my reputation, and hardly anyone here would speak with me for fear of the contagion of being seen as a conspiracy theorist. So I decided to take on many different usernames, to get what I felt were important messages out. He's correct in how he describes it above. People that never spoke with me, all of sudden had things to say, and conversely, people that I considered as like minded would say horrible things. It was both refreshing and interesting. Gladly though, I've been Renneye for quite some time now.

I know I'm going to take real flack for this...but, a few weeks into ows, I became discouraged and disillusioned about the fact that this website exuded a kind of impotence as far as us having any control over it, and, having little connection or affect on the protests. One could argue that this website is already reaching people globally. I don't agree....and it is not democratic. We don't have choices on how the forum or ows behaves or moves forward. With the global reach that this website has, it begs the question, why? Why, other than our opinions here, do we not have direct contact with the ground? Why does this website not offer more than it does when, 1) there is clearly a need for it, and 2) technologically, it could be worked on? In the early days there was no end to the amount of great suggestions and requests to make this site better, which seemingly, fell on deaf ears.

I would support a 'Bridge to the Ground' website, as it would allow for what I have been advocating for since day one. A 'People's Society'. A humanity that rules themselves democratically...'by the people, for the people'. 'We' know what we need better than any politicians or .01% oligarchs. 'We' would make sure our fellow human beings are taken care of. 'We' would make sure the world's resources are managed properly so as to be there for future generations. The proposed 'Bridge to the Ground' website would be operated in the same way... 'by the community, for the community', and as such would be difficult to derail by greedy forces.

Not only is a 'Bridge to the Ground' good for protests, ows, new ideas for humanity, etc....but indeed a groundbreaking prototype for a democratic system by which we can further rule ourselves once the 'revolution' is over. We need the internet for this, it is the only way to globally communicate, vote on issues, etc. This forum has great value, we all know that. It has and should continue to have a purpose. I can see it being connected to the 'Bridge to the Ground'.

I think Thras has acknowledged to himself, that he has lost all support here. He needs us. He'll use us any way he can for his own purposes...and he'll do whatever it takes to convince us that he is workable because he believes in this new global project. He has adopted more amiable qualities recently to try to get people to talk to him. A slightly gentler 'come hither' approach...if you will. He is giving 'some' honest answers to light questions regarding his nature, giving light compliments to some of the forum members, and being a little more polite. He has gone from an attitude of 'congratulations, you're talking with Thrassy', to 'Thank you' for talking. Evolving? Learning his lesson? Or just lowering himself to perfunctory niceties to get support from 'his' useful idiots? Who knows. I don't care. I want a 'Bridge to the Ground', and I don't know how to do it...he does. Or he at least has the foundational ideas for it and perhaps access to professionals that can help.

Yes, Thras is somewhere between idiosynchratic to psychopathic. But, who of us here don't have idiosynchracies of some kind? Thras was horrible to me at times, but I gave as good as I got. He knows it...and if I'm being perfectly frank... it was often quite fun. But none of it matters.

I know I am risking my reputation here, by what will be perceived to be support for 'Thras' himself...despite the fact that it is the 'Bridge to the Ground' that I support...not Thras. But it is of no consequence. For quite some time I have felt that I have been compromising my own ethics and not posting what I am passionate about. That, along with the personal sense that the forum is on a course to self-implosion...I will support Thras' idea for a 'Bridge to the Ground' as long as he doesn't make it too difficult for me to do so. I am excited about ows, once again.

It saddens me to think that I may lose friends here for this...a few in particular...but, we have a world to rebuild, and I hope that my 'brothers' and sisters will be able to forgive me for 'fraternizing' with the resident troll.

I rarely speak of politics here. Though I am far left leaning progressive by nature, I abhor labels...and have no problem embracing other views. Much to the chagrin of the people in my life who are frustrated to no end that I rarely pick a 'side'...in this same mindset, I have never had a problem accepting that people that I may not always agree with or even like, can have brilliant and worthy ideas. We're all adults here, and know by now, that life is rarely that black and white. I think its important for ows, that we at least hear him out.

Sign me, 'shades of grey'.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

He's correct in how he describes it above. People that never spoke with me, all of sudden had things to say, and conversely, people that I considered as like minded would say horrible things. It was both refreshing and interesting. Gladly though, I've been Renneye for quite some time now.

Is this the only forum that you have experienced this in?

[-] 3 points by Renneye (3666) 1 year ago

To your post below GF. I'm not quite sure what it is you're saying.

Perhaps my post was to everyone, and not just you, but you were the only one who verbally called me out on it. I saw when I was responding to Thras positively, I was getting negative response, and so I thought I would just explain why. I know its not a necessity.

I tried not to be verbose or apologetic on my position to a 'Bridge to the Ground', but apparently, I suck at that, lol!! But I've said my piece, and so...there it is. Its done.

[-] 1 points by Renneye (3666) 1 year ago

This is the only forum I've ever been on. Before OWS the only thing I really spent much time on the internet for was health research.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

So I decided to take on many different usernames

See that?

It directly influences this: hardly anyone here would speak with me and this: I know I am risking my reputation here

Not this: fear of the contagion of being seen as a conspiracy theorist

You are still under the impression that you need to explain your stance. As I explained to you yesterday after you contacted me:

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GirlFriday said 20 hours ago at Feb. 27, 2013, 12:58 p.m. EST (delete) Renneye,

You are not obligated to explain your stance to me. Not at all. I just wanted you to see what he was saying, why I don't trust him, and more importantly that if you got downvoted it wasn't coming from me.

Renneye said 20 hours ago at Feb. 27, 2013, 12:54 p.m. EST (delete) Hey GF,

Its Renneye. I knew if I showed support to Thras, I'd need to perhaps explain. I should have known you would have been the only one with enough guts to put in writing to me, and not just voted me down.

I'd like to try and answer your recent post to me, but the timing sucks. I need to head out, and won't be back till 10pm EST. I'll see if I can put together something cohesive then. Have a good day, GF.

[-] 1 points by Renneye (3666) 1 year ago

"The day we can't criticize our own movement is the day we die."

I started saying this from about a week in to OWS...and I received a terrible backlash for it. The statement is correct and pure. That mindset needs to be embraced. It is our friend, not our enemy.

[-] -2 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

Indeed. Criticism and auto-criticism are the steps of the ladder we climb on to reach new heights. René Descartes should be an example in that he invited luminaries of his time to write objections to his treatise - Meditations on First Philosophy - and then published those objections with his replies.

People who are scared of criticism are people who have no confidence in what is being criticized.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

What about folks like yourself who reject, or refuse to acknowledge criticism?

How does your ego treat that fear in you?

[-] -3 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

My ego is just fine.

Do you ever talk about Occupy issues?

What's your take on the Bridge to the Ground? This new hot idea that's all the rage these days? Jart made good comments about it, so did I, so did many others. What's your take? Care to share some arguments and ideas which can help us all?

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

What did I tell you about questions?

Did you forget?

Did reality get lost in your all encompassing ego?

An overinflated ego is fine, only to the owner of said ego.

[-] -1 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

Do you have some sort of OCD?

Are you operating from the same retirement home as DKAtoday? I noticed you are always on at the same time and you both always attack the same users together as if you were Robin and Batman sent to save this site in distress.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

OK. You forgot.

That's your problem, not mine.

Are you forming a conspiracy theory now?

Yes, you have to.

It's what overinflated egos do to protect all that hot air that keeps them inflated.

Now, how about explaining your high level of dishonesty? .

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

The only problem I have with this site - is it's inability so far to permanently ban attackers such as you.

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Just leave and take all of yourselves with you - start your grand forum somewhere else - I am sure you and yourselves will have a better time of controlling your own site - though I suppose you will be bored fairly quickly trying to sustain arguments amongst yourselves.

[-] -1 points by svamgopi (-14) 1 year ago

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[-] -2 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Bring Nevada back.

[-] -2 points by oldJanet (-14) 1 year ago

The people who run this site won't respond to you. They sit at the top of their hierarchical pyramid and act as our Gods. You're nothing to them. Just a tool. They have no respect for you or any other user.

We need a community made and run website. A website where we are all equal, and where we can all participate in the actions of Occupy. A Bridge to the Ground. Ironically, the anarchists are the ones at the top of the pyramid controlling the show, the same people who say there should be no pyramid. That is no coincidence my friend.

They ban whoever they want whenever they want without giving reason or warning.

DKAtoday, you're just their puppet.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Don't like the forum? - Trashy

Not a problem.

Leave.

[-] -3 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

You need to stop your divisive attitude and stop acting like the King of this forum. This isn't just any forum, it's considered the hub for Occupy and accepts donation money. I donated to Occupy, I have a right to expose grievances I have with this place. Occupy is a community, not DKA's little toy.

The day we can't criticize this website is the day it is dead.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

So you who have been banned for attacking this site with bots and sock puppets who have attacked other contributors the same way - feel that you should be allowed to stay and play your BS games?

You are too pathetic. Go away trashy.

[+] -4 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

I didn't attack this site with bots. I attacked conspiracy theorists on this site with bots. That's very different, and that's the reason this site is not littered with 9-11 conspiracy theories, NWO conspiracy theories, Jewish people taking over the world conspiracy theories, etc... I'm proud of the work I did with my bots. I cleaned a lot of garbage from this place. Stuff that was all against the website rules.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You chased many good contributors off of this site. Acting like the high priest of what is and is not acceptable - and YOU - HAH - complain that this is not an open forum.

What you do not like is that this is not your forum under your control.

[-] -1 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

Acting like the high priest of what is and is not acceptable

This is your job, not mine.

Conspiracy theories were unacceptable as decided by the general assemblies. That's why they are against the forum rules. I didn't decide that. I just enforced it.

You act as the high priest around here. You almost got rid of one of the best posters, Odin. Shame on you. You attack all new comers in tag team fashion with shooz. Shame on you. You are always divisive with your pro democrat anti republican politics. Shame on you. Shame on you for being against the basic principles of Occupy; against them because of ignorance. You never read a book on anarchy in your life and it shows.

What you do not like is that this is not your forum under your control.

Not at all. I'm pushing for a community made and run forum. That would not be under my control at all. My problem with this forum is that it is not controlled by Occupy, it's controlled by one person namely jart. She writes the articles in the news, moderates, and programs. She accepts no help, does not inform us why people get banned, etc... This is not correct. It should not be that way. This site accepts donation for the movement and places itself as the hub of the movement. It should be run by the community.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yeah - right and that is why you use sock puppets to attack individuals.

Go play with yourselves somewhere else.

[-] -2 points by oIdJanet (-94) 1 year ago

Sock puppets are just plain fun. And, who cares. What matters are ideas, not the proposer.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27789) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You damn yourself with your BS.