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Forum Post: Non-Event Presidential Debate #1, Status Quo, No real Free Markets, Pirates, Disenfranchised Stakeholders

Posted 5 years ago on Oct. 5, 2012, 12:41 a.m. EST by Middleaged (5140)
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I'm known for showing up in an odd way. I'm a nice guy, but... I'm not an idiot but... I'd like to be a writer and establish a style or an internet presence (remind me to run spell check).

So I've had about 4 drinks of something like a Somosa made with Admiral Nelson Spiced Rum.

I just heard Chris Mathews on Charlie Rose on PBS. And I am reflecting on my writing last night and today about the Presidential Debate.

I sort of like Chris Mathews and listen to him. I would never say that Mitt Romney gave Chris Mathews a thrill up the leg. And on Charlie Rose I think I 100% agree with what Chris Mathews said and how he said it about Mitt Romney.

But Mitt Romney's performance was predictable if you have worked beside power or beside US Executives. Business people in the US are not surprised and government employees are not surprised.

This debate does point out how people that are used to working in power and around power operate. No surprise. I'm not a corporate executive apologist or groupee. So where do we go from here. It was just a first debate (maybe that sounds apologetic, but doesn't have to it is just a fact). The fact is that problems will persist after the election. The election has become a "Non Event".

We have a Status Quo. All other political parties are shut out of the debates. Power prevails. There is no excuse for shutting out other political parties and not even putting the question of other parties in the debate to the public is ANTI-Democratic.

The BS is that we are a democracy, a free market system, and a capitalist system. We have a Mixed Economy. We have a Limited Republic (not a Democracy). And we do not have Free Markets (Naked short selling is Legal Fruad) and Free Price Determination in our markets (computer high speed selling of stocks and collusion and conspiracy to set market prices proves that we need regulators and regulations and market structure and that the current system is very flawed).

So the point is that debates and even elections are non events.

Fine, we want Obama to be smarter, to be more passionate, to be more dynamic, to kick ass in a debate against this "Great American Pirate, Mitt Romney!"

But the Bigger Point is there are many big pirates in the US and in the US Financial System.

Mitt Romney is a Financial Pirate

Hello, America. We don't want Pirates and Privateers Running the US Whitehouse and US Congress

In the 1990 we prosecuted 1000 people in the US Savings and Loan Scandal.

Many banks were taken over and put into Receivership by the US Government for Financial fraud, Risky Behavior, and Conflict of Interest (lending to their buddies).

We have seen this kind of USA since the 1990. The fact is after the savings and loan scandal, we deregulated even further. It was a bone headed move. The US Congress had no pressure to enforce banking rules from the US Main Street. The result was a conclusion on the part of US Congress that Main Street was unsophisticated.

The US Congress "DISSED" Main Street by Deregulating the US Banking System. You don't know shit, Main Street.

The Result:

1) US Social Security is on the chopping block.
2) US Medicare is on the Chopping Block.
3) The GOP Candiate says you can just go to the emergency Room for Health Care (and you will go bankrupt in the country with the most expensive health care country in the world).
4) Banking "Bad Bets" will go onto the US Taxpayer to payback.
5) No one on Main Street even knows the "Right Direction" for the Country as far as manufacturing goes - since politicians are worthless.
6) Main Street knows the value of Infrastructure investment, but politiicans don't.
7) Main Street knows the value of Manufacturing in the US, but politicians don't.
8) Main Street has become sophisticated and smart, but politicans don't know this.
9) Main Street knows that Financial Schemes reak of "Rip-Off", but politicans think most people don't know a rip-off when they see it.
10) We are all "Disenfranchised Stakeholders" in the USA.

Life Sucks.



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[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

Romney Facilitating Financial Schemes all across the nation.

How about some Campaign Slogans that tell the Truth?

Romney, Where Cutting budgets and Cutting Jobs is a way of Life.
Romney, Bringing Fossil Fuels to your Life.
Romney, We define the Truth.
Romney, Why fix health care if it hurts business and taxpayers.
Romney, Fixing Health Care is Stupid.
Romney, Don't judge me on my past, but judge Obama.
Romney, Massachusetts is Special, you are not.
Romney, Increases in Medicare can be paid for by Social Security.
Romney, Poor people should get a shave, and look for better jobs on their spare time.
Romney, there is no corporate welfare, welfare only goes to lazy people.
Romney, No one gets rich in the defense industry.
Romney, We spend $800 B a year in Defense, but we are weak.
Romney, We fight in 140 Countries, but we are weak on defense.
Romney, there is no quid pro quo in finance, defense, or Real Estate industries.
Romney, No problem with Money in Politics, just freeloaders.
Romney, No problem with conflict of Interest in politics, just freeloaders.
Romney, No Fraud in Finance, No Risk to Voters, the financial crisis did not happen.
Romney, No Risk in having TBTF Banks, We've never had a problem in Banking in the US.
Romney, Trust Me, Banking is all under Control.
Romney, Some of my Best Friends are bankers.
Romney, Poor people have to take risk, get into business by selling off your pension if you have to.
Romney, Poor People should take that 3rd Job, so that they can create a better future.
Romney, Poor people should risk their inheritance starting up a business.
Romney, cutting jobs and cutting overhead puts the country on the Right Track.
Romney, cutting jobs is compassionate in the Long Run.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

Chris Hedges has insight and some ideas. I'd like to track and post some ideas. First here is a video, 5:10 (OWS are the conservatives who want return of law) I might be consfused at 6:30 he mentions and alternative to funding - instead of funding TBTF banks and giving them Deffered Prosecution.


[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 years ago

& #1 WAR machine USA

give public lands to private interest

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

Yes, I see Privateering as Corporations taking over Natural Resources or Government (Public) Functions, then of course they keep all the profits and put the Risk on the Taxpayer.

This is ALSO why I don't like Public Private Partnerships. I don't care who does the Analysis and says it is benefial to the Public Interest... In the end the taxpayer pays to bail out failed projects, failed business models, corporate subsidies, and all Financial Schemes called Public Private Partnerships.

Just like we Keep Bailing Out Banks

[-] 0 points by yobstreet (-575) 5 years ago

I don't know; I think government itself has already been privatized.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

Yes, we have covert and overt Privatization. Clearly we should denouce, protest, and organize against Open Privitiation as the worst kind and most likely to become widely "Systemic".

The hidden Priviation leaves a bad taste in the mouths of "Honest Business People" and honest wealthy people.

[-] -1 points by yobstreet (-575) 5 years ago

I think it's already systemic; government has become the tool of corporations.

We currently have foreign corporations trying to access US markets valued in the hundreds of billions; it's market share and jobs that we can't afford to lose. But I'm very curious to see which way this is going to go.

[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

Yes, but the Financial Risks have skyrocketed as Public Private Partnerships and overt Privitization has taken place.

1) Many people are talking about Inflation Risks
2) Many People are howling about Federal budget Growth
3) Most know their big muliciplalities and state budgets have "huge" risks becaue of ratings downgrades, Pension Obligations, Huge Benefit packages in certain Public Sectors Jobs.
4) The financial world and government funding and obligation world are tied together in a way where private sector gets bailouts for any downside or turndown.

Need we say more...

Yes, you are also making a great point about who is buying up our businesses, property, and public infrastructure.

1) Private Equity Firms Doing Leveraged Buyouts - that leave increased Debit and increase public responsiblity for the unemployed like in unemployemnt insurance, SNAP, TANF, GA, Job Training, Tuition Assistance, etc.
2) Foreign Corporations can buy our Housing, Highway Toll Booths, Ports, Natural Resources, State of the Art Defense Technologies, etc.
3) Meglomaniacs, wealthy people that want to control or monopolize regions or sectors of industry.
4) Policial Meglomaniacs, Wealthy people that are Activists trying to buy into or control State, Local or Federal Government.

[-] -2 points by yobstreet (-575) 5 years ago

Well, yea, I'd agree with all of that.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

And here we are, about to send the two companies back into DC to screw us all over again. What a joke.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

You mean the US Senate Incorporated and the US House of Representatives Incorporated?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 years ago


be glad you have a job at all

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

haha yup those are the ones!!

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 5 years ago

It is a joke and Americans will once again send their favorite corporate whores to DC (D's & R's), and afterwards we will ask why we got it broke off in ass again. We have such a short memory because this movie is a repeat.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

Repeating the Obvious. Can we move to a new country? How do we PING the politicians to let them know we are tracking them and putting them into the "Bright Lights".

[-] 1 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 5 years ago

How do we PING them? First you have to track them carefully to know what the SOBs are up to.


And it helps to actually watch them in action when you have the time.


[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

Wish we Tracked the AIPAC and the War Lobby Better. I read a transcirpt this year might have been posted by SH99...anyway it was all about Bribes to Congressmen "as long as they thought they were on board with the Issues represented by the Lobby".


[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

Thanks for the Links. I haven't visited them before.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 5 years ago

What is the harm in expanded electoral participation in our political system? Is it too late for nonparticipants to join in the upcoming elections?

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

Well it is already kind of Crowded with all the Corporations particpiating. sigh... Once we get the Foundations, Banks, and Corporations out of the elections... I suppose someone working and paying taxes could be possible.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 5 years ago

Now's the time!


[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 5 years ago

Playing the game right.


[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 5 years ago

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[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

Do the Titles of Forum Posts become Search Tags in Yahoo & Google? I'm always trying to put good Titles on all My Posts. Thanks for the Links I just visited. Looks like I should dig deeper.

[-] 1 points by gsw (3208) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 5 years ago

I have come upon them in google. Note to self: to be more civil in future post titles.

I like your post on using ER for health care: Romney on "America has best health care in world."-- we all have health care. Those without coverage have great health care, but very expensive for us.


[-] 0 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

Yes, it is Criminal, Romney's Health Care. And you won't have rights after you go to the Emergency Room. Keyword Passport Rights.

People may not know this. You can not Leave the USA with outstanding Debts.

This started, I'm Guessing, after 2001 and 911. Military members could not Deploy Overseas in War without paying all of their Child Support and Alimony. I've got nothing against that in principal. However, we you travel through a Major Port in the USA, Immigration Does a Background Check on you.

Bottom Line: If you have outstanding Debt like from an Emergency Room Visis (Romney Health Care), You will be denied permisson to Leave (Exit) the USA.

This is not a Stretch. If you suffer a Major health Event, you can incurr $200 K in debt, but if you see additional care out of country with huge debt you could be denied exit on your passport.

The IRS is getting the "Rights" to prevent your travel on Passport. So it is no big stretch to imagine corporations getting this "Right".

Could be I got part of this from Alex Jones. Looking for a link.




Section 40304 of the legislation states that any individual who owes more than $50,000 to the Internal Revenue Service may be subject to “action with respect to denial, revocation, or limitation of a passport”.