Forum Post: Non-capitalist-go live in a commune
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 30, 2011, 11:42 p.m. EST by radarluv
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Are you surfing the net on your Mac or PC? are you drinking a Starbucks or anything of the like? Are you driving ANYTHING?
I could go on and on about the advances DUE to the so called "1 percent".
Keep your people down by not letting people to thrive through capitalism. Go live in Afghanistan. Let us know what you think in about a year.
Nev-mind. Try is for a day.
Actually, 99% built all those things.
Bill Gates didn't hand-make your computer, dipshit.
Also, Afghanistan is exactly what we don't want to become.
Why don't you look up where Afghanistan ranks in economic inequality??
THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU IDIOTS ARE TAKING US!!
the " 99% " built those things mostly with the financing,backing,money and risk from the " 1% "
And much financial backing, money, and risk from myself.. The fact that you regard the 1% as these divine beings is despicable. If you lived in the Soviet Union, the same argument could be made that economic planning from the Kremlin gives us everything we have. It would be a valid argument, but it doesn't address what we are dissenting.
Well 1 thing is I never said they are divine beings. Maybe thats the problem people THINK in their twisted mind that this alleged "1%" are divine,no in y mind, so their pride and ego wants to bash them. And I still do not know who this "1%" is....is it the millionaire,the billionaire,the trillionaire,the 100kaire, the 85,000aire,the gazillionaire???
And may I ask what risk,financial backing, money did you personally put into it?
Over 30K in stocks and over 40K in my 401k.. I have both made and lost money in these markets, but I mostly make money.
The 1% is a generic term for the top 1% of income earners that have had both a disproportionate amount of income growth relative to the 99% and a disproportionate amount of influence in our political system, which has helped fuel a further income gap. I don't think they are bad people. Many of them support the same things I do. But this movement is more about giving voice to the 99% whose voices have been marginalized further and further for the past 3 decades, with no end in sight.
The IRS data suggests that the 1% are those that make over 930K/y
What exactly did the 1% build with the 7 trillion they conned the fed into loaning them?
Conned from the feds..lol..thats funny.
Pssst pssst hey Obama lend me a couple of trillion and ill ....
how did they con them or did our govt just try to do what they thought was right to help our people,us?
There's a great book "It takes a Pillage" by Nomi Prins that does a good job of explaining it. It was written by a ex Goldman exec who sold derivatives so she really gets it and has very little mercy for wall street or the fed. Well I think wall street painted a picture of the whole banking system falling apart and the government had to act. Then wall street did what they do best and made all the deals work to their advantage. The created the crisis by conning the government into deregulating, then they went on a over leveraged gambling binge when that fell apart they used the crisis to make even more money. I really don't think wall street should have access to the fed window or be a part of our banking system.
"Conned from the feds..lol..thats funny. Pssst pssst hey Obama lend me a couple of trillion and ill ...."
The thing I love about morons that think that Obama is the one that started TARP is that I can easily tell that they live in the conservative news bubble, the only place where that myth has spread.
Interesting, that the most intellectually challenged posters result to ending their post by calling others "dipshit"
I want to thank you for being so deficient at detecting the irony in your statement before posting it. That was a great laugh.
Read it again more carefully. I rest my case.
Aw.. Did you change it? Oh well.
Microsoft makes software double dipshit.
Correct, they do make software. Thank you for your irrelevant input.
Well, Bill Gates helped start something that changed the world. Its not a bad thing that he got rich off of that.
I never disagreed with that.
Bill Gates didn't hand-make your computer, dipshit.
Did you forget what you said dipshit!! You are such a fool
Are you actually arguing that Bill Gates hand-made your computer??
Nevermind, I'm so sick of you stupid trolls.
You don't get the point. You support the very companies you rail about by using their products. It's pretty simple logic actually. Nice name calling btw.
Most big companies are the same as the 99%. The workers are the 99%, corporate management is the 1%.
There are no absolutes, and your pathetic attempt to prove a point based on one just exposes your bias and ignorance.
As for "thriving capitalism", you are either CEO of Goldman or retarded. Let me guess ...
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Actually most corporate management is part of the 99% also. Didn't say there were absolutes I just find it funny that you scream about the evil corporations but you support them by purchasing their products. Your whole movement uses so much technology that corporations have made. Look if you want to call me names you can do it without insulting people with mental disabilities. I don't really care what you call me because when you go there that tells me you have nothing of substance to say.
That's like saying the American Revolution should not have happened because American revolutionaries should not have used British-made flintlocks.
It is an absolutist and absurdist position. FYI, one of the principle techniques of guerrilla warfare is to use the enemy's equipment against them.
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Umm I NEVER told you to go live in afghanistan nucleus. I think you've misplaced your anger.
Sorry, confused you with OP.
You think all corporate goods / services should be completely abandoned by those protesting corporate abuse.
Your position remains absolutist, and by definition absurd.
It's like saying the American Revolution should never have happened because Americans should not have used British-made flintlocks.
We have been forced into buying products from overseas where how jobs went.
"forced".....we mostly and readily crave for the latest, greatest technology has to offer with scant consideration where it was produced or how it was manufactured....
Yes, I believe that the consumerism attitude that has been drilled into us is true and most are guilty of what you say. Hopefully, some of us are being enlightened. What I mean though is that everything is now made overseas with no regard to worker's rights or environmental concern all for the name of profit. Years ago I refused to buy anything made in China, etc. and now you can hardly find anything that is not ... even books, cards, etc..
Agree
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We're not railing against these companies in general.
What do these products have to do with growing inequality and the policies we oppose??
Any involvement is indirect and irrelevant to what we're saying. Nobody is advocating abolishing corporations, so this argument I keep hearing from brainwashed Fox News fans doesn't make any sense.
You obviously haven't listened to a lot of OWS people.
Or obviously I listen to them in person, rather than interviews from the New York Post and other smear rags hunting for red herrings to protect crony capitalism.
There you go implying I get my info only from NYP or as you said "other smear rags hunting for red herrings to protect crony capitalism.". Are you really that insecure?
No, I'm not insecure. I'm actually aware of what protesters are talking about and can back that up with other things than news sources(smear rags and otherwise). You can't. Sad.
How do you know I can't? How do I know you can? Just wondering. You try to impose your idea of who someone is upon them without knowing them my friend. You don't know where I get my info from but you want to project onto me that I get it from sources you consider unreliable. That is sad.
"You obviously haven't listened to a lot of OWS people."
"You try to impose your idea of who someone is upon them without knowing them my friend."
Pot...Kettle...Black
Lol I go by what OWS people have said to me.
Sure ya do. And when it doesn't play into your preconceptions, you tell them, "You obviously haven't listened to a lot of OWS people."..
Preconceptions? Seems you are the one with those as you seem to know exactly what I think and feel. See the problem is,you claim to be fighting for me but you don't really care what i think,feel or want.
Do you not want income equality of some kind? I do not understand why people do not want positive change. Why do people try to tear down a movement that seeks only positive change for everyone? I hope we start to see how we are all connected and finally work as a team for change. Maybe I'm naively optimistic. Blessings.
No I don't want income equality. It seems to me silly to pay a bus driver the same as a doctor.
Now you are just being silly. No one is suggesting this. Just a more equal system with a much smaller gap. Peace
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I don't need to argue for using any of those things. I acknowledge that many people contributed to things I have and make no qualms that people like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett played a part in it. I also appreciate that these people(while being 1%) aren't disgusting shameless corporate cronies like yourself that think a broken system that has engendered growing inequality for several decades is something to be worshiped as pro-American. Probably because they are smart and productive while you're just a brainwashed crony spreading hate.
because, no such article exists if you use modern technology.
stupid.
Muppet post from a Muppet.
When you don't understand what another is saying/doing - it is most effectively to LISTEN, rather than speak.
Speaking from a foundation of lacking understanding, is foolish, and can offer only foolishness. That is what this post is. Inefficient foolishness.
Go live in a bank then tell me about Afukistan.
Well wasnt ows a commune and then the capitalists broke it up, go to aghanistan US troops are in aghanistan and most of us are pacifists.
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With their hands, but since you asks Im sure after awhile all their laptops would died out, but they still wouldnt have left.
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Why do conservatives think that if someone invented something they have every right to treat their workers any way they want and they can pay as little as they want? No one is saying that if you invent something you shouldn't get paid for it. Of course you will make a ton of money off your idea. However, why is right for that person or entity to make such a drastic portion compared to the person who makes their invention come to life? Do you need see the other perspective of the situation? The person who invented the idea needs workers to build the idea and then they need you to buy their idea. What is wrong with paying workers a respectable wage? Why do these corporations have to go and mass produce everything overseas as soon as it is no longer dirt cheap for them to produce here? As soon as there is a weak ass regulation to protect the environment a little better the corporation deems it over regulation and they can't make profit. So as long as they can exploit and exploit to the max its all good we will produce in the states but as soon as people start being practical and want to protect their well being and want to maintain a livable planet the corporation sees it as a terrible regulation. Do you people not see that most corporations want everything to be in their favor? Working wages increase to try and keep up with the standard of living and again the corporation states that it is over regulated and move their crap overseas. Do you not see that they only want every aspect of business to be in their favor? And then they go overseas and destroy the environment there and pay people next to nothing and continue to exploit. They don't care because they are living in their gated communities away from these issues that they don't have to deal with yet. But how long do you think this exploitation and destruction can continue to go on before it affects every person in the world including these morons who are getting filthy rich off the benefits of destruction? Think before you make ignorant comments.
Who cares about the "filthy rich"? Do you really think they DON'T deserve it? Do you think they stood on the side of the road? Do you think they did anything except for go to school, or, are exceptionally gifted/lucky to be in the position they are? WHO CARES? Bottom line is is that they MADE IT HAPPEN.
Are you making up quotes that I said? Do you know what a quote is? Of course you wouldn't it is evident that you are brainwashed Republican who use the same tactics. But I didn't say they "don't deserve it." I said that they shouldn't make money off their workers. The reason they make so much is only because they pay their workers next to nothing and exploit. Do you understand that concept?
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Wow you are a joke. You don't even know what a quote is. I quoted you that is when you use quotation marks. Your are some uneducated fool that says shit that you heard from your mommy and daddy who are also as uneducated as you. You are a waste of time and an embarrassment to society and the reason that this country is so fucked up.
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10+ is a good living wage? are you high? Who can support a family off 10 an hour? Why does the CEO have to make 10 million a year when he produces nothing? But the worker that creates his product and then buys his product should get way less. Why? Bleed this country dry? How? People shouldn't make a livable wage so that CEO's can make billions? The worker should pay more in taxes and make less so that corporations can pay no taxes. The corporation not paying taxes is bleeding this country dry, genius. And your comment about other countries living in caves is probably saying that we should be happy to have jobs. You are too ignorant to realize that the reason that people are living in caves because these same corporations are invading their countries and paying them nothing. They left here and went there because their governments are allowing these crooks to exploit their people.
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You are too ignorant to realize that there idea is worthless unless someone wants to create it and someone wants to buy it. And what do your last two sentences even mean?
Ok, well, I may have given you too much credit. herb is an icon. a legend. if the phone picks up, then it is like winning the lotto,. xoxo
I feel constrained to point out that communication between civilizations has been going on for much, much longer than there have been electronic devices for that purpose. They may not be as quick, but they are just as viable. Messengers in ancient and Medieval times could memorize many pages of a document and repeat it word for word when they arrived at their destination. I conend that our reliance on electronic devices has actually harmed us by creating in us a dependency on them.
And, anticipating your response, please keep in mind that simply becaue I use the computer for this does not mean that I use it for everything. My computer, in fact, is rarely on except when I am researching something or writing about what I've researched. And my local library is what I use most for those purposes, anyway.
Really? If you willingly went into an institution that kills people as its business, your not a pacifist.
I have never been in a war, im saying pacifists wouldnt want to go to aghanistan because of the military there. geez
Actually, where there are wars, there is a greater need for those who oppose it.
pacifists would be in a cave, living by morse code. if even, that advanced. i say, let em go for it.
I need to ask a question here: what, exactly, is so attractive about war and so hideous about peace? You speak as though people who want peace are some sort of ignorant primitives and you speak of war as though it is the highest calling of humankind.
Take it from one who has been in war and in combat -- there is nothing -- and I mean NOTHING -- about war that is glorious, heroic, admirable or patriotic. There are no elevated rights or sacred truths that are fought for. The Truth of war is that, in combat, you will do anything, kill anyone, at any time, for any reason, or no reason at all for the only right you know -- the right to draw your own next breath.
If that is what you call admirable, you are, sir or madam, very sorrowfully mistaken. At least in my mind.
A few combat troop quotes.
War is hell, naw, it's hell warmed over.
War is blood, puss, dysentery, stench and fear. Heroes arise because they are too afraid not to move.
There is no nobler cause, than to die for your fellow man...as long as I am not the one doing the dying.
As a field medic I learned that men more often call for their mothers than call upon God.
War is potential destroyed.
deGreen, I agree, war is not admirable.
Well that makes sense but you phrased it like you were a soldier in Afghanistan. Are you 13?
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Muffet? MUFFET?
At least a thirteen-year-old can read and spell M-U-P-P-E-T
I guess Sesame Street was just too pinko-commie-radical for you, hmm?
I don't know what you're saying. Get spell check and learn grammar before spewing stupid all over the place.
OH, you don't? Well suppose YOU need to go back to grammar school. Even with internet speak.
This isnt capitalism you tool. And Im a business owner, so I prob know better than you do.
The game is rigged, and its gonna collapse.
OWS is not against capitalism. It is for a more fair economy where workers earn a living wage and where money is out of politics.
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I think the capitalists should go live in a commune. You can have your own currency, a seamstress, a tailor, an auto-mechanic, a bank, and whatever else... and you'll be free to stab each other in the back and see who can collect the most $$$ as their neighbors starve... and even desperately attempt to figure out which one of you is dumping his garbage down the water well.
With you safely contained and fighting each other in tiny capitalist communes, the rest of us can figure out a better way to live.
The 1% would not exist without the protection of government, and because they gained so much more from it they owe a great deal more to it.
Exactly when did we ever have pure capitalism? I think that's called anarchy. Government is the institutionalized protection of the people against the harm that can come from pure capitalism. How many of that 1% will keep their wealth if the government is weakened too much to function effectively?
Unfortunatly the 1% is the Government! Our government is riddled with lobbyist and capitalists that are stinking rich! The system is messed up! It's not the people most qualified that run things its the people with the most money that have agendas of greed! They don't see that capitalism can only be successful if there is balance. Henry Ford knew long time ago that companies need to pay their workers enough to afford the products they was producing. Common sense 101
Certainly many of the representatives of the people are members of the 1%, and that is largely the result of the corruption that became inherent to the system before we had the ability to adequately monitor it. Those days are over. We are showing them now that we are watching them, and OWS is sending the message to them that unless they do what we elected them to do, and actually represent the interests of their constituents, the days that those representatives have left are numbered.
I hope your right, but no matter what if we don't get money out of Politics things will never be on the up and up.
No it is not DUE to the 1 percent, it is DUE to inventors, some of whom become wealthy some of whom lose their ideas to the wealthy.
so true complain complain complain,do nothing about it,but complain while feeding the machine...lol..live in afghanistan half these people talking against capitolism and such can not get along living in certain parts of our own country let alone over there....hmmmm its a wonder why all these people fleeing other countrys want to come here to this capitolist pig,freedom filled,democratic, ok sometimes not perfect, GREAT country
Its not a bad idea actually
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freetown_Christiania
even newton understood that he was all knowing because he stood on the backs of knowing men. if you want to keep the innovations coming, then be prepared to pay your underlings competitive wages
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reply and respond when you do exactly this
aww hun, you're right here, ey. come say hi.
Personally, if not for family obligations, that's exactly what I would like to do.
Thanks for the encouragement.
RadarHate, you really are an idiot. Pacifist wouldn't be living in a cave, they'd be in yer face. Pacifist doesn't mean coward, it means non-violent. I dare say if you pissed Martin Luther off enough, he'd have kicked your anglo-white, supremacist ass from here back to the frickin' stone age, where you belong. Pacifist, the ones I admire, weren't hiding in any caves, they were fighting for rights, they were courageous, heroic even...to the point of their own death. You are just some corporate stooge who feels safe to flap his gums behind the internet afraid he might lose his measly $35,000 a year job. Real men, pacifist and not, stand by their convictions by the light of day. I doubt you have those kinds of huevos.
Ok, I get it...you're racist.
I'm a racist? lol. OK. I have to rescind my previous statement...you aren't an idiot, you're frickin' nuts. And you're wasting our time here. So, I won't feed yer flame anymore. Good luck.
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These OWS klowns couldn't exist in a commune, they would have to work. They can only exist as parasites feeding off a HOST, yes 99% of the USA are parasites feeding off the 1% that use the brain and brawn.
DUE to the 1%/ How about due to to the 99%!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w
rad@rluv : You sound like a Deluded Capitalist Fundamentalist, with the emphasis on "Mentalist" !!
Modern High Finance Capitalism = KAPUTALISM = A Bankers Busted Flush & Everyone Knows It !!!
Adam Smith's 'Capitalism' & 'Invisible Hand Of The Free Market' no longer exists due to 'Corporations, Cartels, Cabals, Confederations and Monopolistic Market Practices' where high barriers to entry and commercial chicanery results in Mass Market Distortions at The Macro Scale. Further, modern banking has Nothing to do with Capitalism and Everything to do with Gangsterism.
EMPIRE (Military & Corporate) and Resource Grabs are The Name Of The Game for 'Modern Corporate Capitalism' and True, Direct, Participatory Democracy is a Huge Part of The Solution, ( http://ni4d.us/ ).
Fiat Lux . Et .. Per ardua ad astra ...~~~*
RadarLuv I'll help I'll speak for the children as their leader. See commune means WORK, and that is against the religion of OWS, see the cargo-cult we call OWS was all promised cargo if they go and die in the streets. Where will this cargo come from? Why the 1% Never mind who made the cargo, or how its made, the 1% have an infinite supply, see where the 1% come from the stuff grows on trees. OWS leadership in return for giving them power will provide to each the cargo he/she wants or needs. In a commune people would have to share work, and most likely there would be no cargo, Its not like cargo-cult could be held together on a diet of coconuts and banana's. Only the 1% have the cargo, traditionally cargo-cults waited for cargo to wash ashore, but our leadership of OWS in order to get power, decided to promise everyone unlimited cargo forever 24/7 and of course MAJORITY by consensus approved this taking from the 1%.
Hope this helps.