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Forum Post: Noam Chomsky on propaganda - something everyone should know, especially people in the occupy movement.

Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 28, 2011, 5:01 p.m. EST by Fredone (234)
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more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzd4WiuKr7M

Noam Chomsky, groundbreaking Linguist and Professor at MIT, explains how the 1% use the media as propaganda outlets to control the information environment we all live in, with the deliberate end of maintaining and enhance existing wealth and power disparities.

It's particularly great because he didn't just come up with this stuff through discussion and pontification or passive observation - what most of us have to make do with - it is based on extensive serious research. For more details see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_model . Actually, you have to wonder how they did not stop him from doing the research. Maybe they did bias or cripple it, or he got it done too fast and too quietly for them, who knows.

Secondly, just want to say IMO, it's great to have historical evidence like the trilateral commission stuff, catching these people red-handed at this, so to speak. But really, when we just look at the way the media is organized, who controls it, etc. we really can simply infer that it is a heavily biased propaganda organ. The public broadcasting is no better at this either as is has been subject to the equivalent of regulatory capture and is run in a hierarchical way with 1%ers at the top. Example is the BBC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bbc#Executive_Board . Typical corporation really, the director general alone gets paid around >$2.2 million USD equivalent. And of course it was set up that way deliberately by the rich white people who controlled the government back then, too.

BTW, the take away for anyone who can't watch the videos etc. is that the media is heavily biased by it's very structure, having been built that way on purpose. And not really due to an organized conspiracy, more like class solidarity and cynical, Machiavellian individual selfishness among the 1%. The journalist do not have to conspire - the people who are already biased are simply put in the right place, fired on an excuse if they break ranks, etc. The liberal and conservative media dichotomy is graciously permitted by the 1% as it serves to give a misleading veneer of honesty. Hawks and doves, good cop/bad cop type stuff, they really are all in on it.

As a clarifying example, the liberal media is happy to portray us as liberal as if they were being honest, even though most occupations have made it crystal clear that this is a social, not political movement, and we welcome conservatives with open arms to help achieve our common goals. 99%, that's pretty clear. One obvious reason for this is that they are trying to shimmy us into politics as usual, because the 1% knows exactly what to do with that. Divide and conquer. They are not on our side.

Lastly, I want to note that it is great that someone in Chomsky's position is saying this stuff, and he knows what he is talking about and everything. But we need to move away from the myth of the lone hero or leader, as I am sure he would agree. This type of stuff has long been known within activist circles, and is what the "The revolution will not be televised" slogan refers to. But it doesn't get out there unless a highly unusual person, basically a fifth columnist, Chomsky, says it. That's a big problem. What else are we missing out on?



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[-] 2 points by glawcom (4) 12 years ago

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[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

ZenDog Barks Part One

I have tremendous respect for Noam Chomsky. He came out in support of the people of East Timor long before such support became popular. He is a dissident and an intellectual of stature, one with whom I have much better sense than to argue . . .

  • you have to wonder how they did not stop him from doing the research.

This is a demonstration of ideological division within the established power structure, If no such division did exist, then he would simply cease to speak, one way or the other. That he provides an extremely valuable service to the nation there can be no doubt - speaking truth to power is perhaps among the highest forms of service one may perform for one’s country. On some level within the power structure[s] that exist in the United States today, this fact must be both recognized and appreciated. Is it reasonable to assume otherwise?

At the very least, the fact that he is free to speak serves as a form of implicit denial of the bend toward fascism this nation has assumed over the course of the last half century.

[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

ZenDog Barks Part Two

The Chomsky / Herman Propaganda Model Wiki

In this view the audience is a commodity to be sold to advertisers. The news is typically filtered through one or more of five different lenses:

  1. Who actually owns the news outlet - their beliefs, ideology, and financial ties
  2. The sources of funding - often advertisers, who can wield tremendous influence over what news is aired and how
  3. News sources - relationships between reporters and persons of knowledge or influence within any organization where there is a regular stream of information - placing the reporter in a position of subservience to the source of the news
  4. Flak - negative audience response
  5. Fear - [anti-communism] “If people are frightened they will accept authority.” -- Chomsky

We saw number five in operation throughout the entire reign of what I delightfully refer to as Bushite.

I believe that there are in fact two more filters that must be considered in such a model, especially if one wants to use, alter, or destroy, this mechanism itself. They are:

  1. maintaining credibility with the audience
  2. the relationship in the workplace itself, and how individual reporters view themselves and their profession.

I believe we must understand these last two, if we are to engage in the management of both message and imagery as it pertains to this Movement. Both are possible.

[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

ZenDog Barks Part Three

most occupations have made it crystal clear that this is a social, not political movement, and we welcome conservatives with open arms to help achieve our common goals.


  • Social: of or occupied with social welfare
  • Political: of or relating to the affairs of government, politics, or the state

--------------------------- The American Heritage Dictionary, Third Edition

I would submit that the very definition of social is such that no conservative in America today can possibly help but to tremble and weep before the onslaught of such a movement as ours, providing legitimacy to positions of conscience that are simply anathema to the conservative heart. It is simply too small, and too black, to permit contemplation of such occupation.

They will never join us for their system of belief will never permit it; unless it be in clear understanding of the need for the preservation of the contents of their own pockets from the graft of the one percent - and then I say such hypocrisy may not be beneath them, nor should we permit it to stand as a hindrance. Yet we must beware - for they seek only their own welfare, and not that of society as a whole.

Whether this is a social or a political movement I will leave for the individual to decide, but rest assured, to attempt social change at the level we are attempting is indeed, a very political act.

  • To demand restitution while the guilty are untried - this is political.
  • To demand legislative change and so curb corruption - this is indeed political.

To suggest otherwise is a form of deceit, whose purpose and function I cannot imagine; and one that is unlikely to serve in our interest.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 12 years ago

There are a lot of people who have said smart things and dumb things,

Read who you like, in private, but don't try to carry other's baggage, unless you are a porter.

I am told Mussolini had some great pasta recipes.

[-] 1 points by Steve15 (385) 12 years ago

Great post thanks

[-] 0 points by betuadollar (-313) 12 years ago

Since when do intelligent beings need to turn to a pseudo-intellectual for guidance?

[-] -2 points by Kevabe (81) 12 years ago

Noam Chomsky is an idiot. He denies that the Holocuast ever happend. The guy is an absolute wacko who believes everything people do in life is predetermined.


[-] -2 points by silverspider (33) 12 years ago

Noam Chomsky is a slimeball...he claims to be for the Palestinians yet blames the USA (in a roundabout way) on that situation completely...true, they take part of the blame for funding Israel but it's those goofy IDF soldiers who do all the killing. Also, strangely enough, Chomsky lived in Israel....how can anyone take what he writes/spreaks about regarding the Israel/Palestine conflict seriously knowing this simple fact. Isn't he a millionaire?

[-] 1 points by aeturnus (231) from Robbinsville, NC 12 years ago

Actually, Chomsky lived in an Israeli kibbutz. And I believe he has spoken out about both negative and positive aspects of the experience.

I think corporations like Caterpillar and others should be considered criminals for participating indirectly in support of IDF forces. Much of what is happening in Israel seems to have ties to the United States military role and the corporate role of aspects of high-tech industry.

Chomsky has referenced a lot of this in a number of cases. I doubt Chomsky favors those goofy IDF soldiers, since he is opposed to military action in general.

[-] 0 points by silverspider (33) 12 years ago

It seems that living in Israel and being for Palestinian rights are at odds....he has mastered the art of circular logic...it's stolen land.

[-] 1 points by aeturnus (231) from Robbinsville, NC 12 years ago

That's like saying that living in America and being against corporations are at odds. Essentially, that's true. There are Israelis who do not favor the policies of the Israeli state. I suspect the Israeli state to be even more repressive than that of the United States government. I have read many reports that Israeli land is stolen land, and I tend to agree with them.