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Forum Post: No more Left. No more Right. Time to Unite. Stand and Fight!

Posted 6 years ago on Jan. 3, 2012, 9:52 a.m. EST by ironboltbruce (371) from Miami, FL
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J3 - Call To Action Against the NDAA http://occupywallst.org/article/j3-call-action-against-ndaa/

Obama has issued his NDAA Signing Statement. Here is mine:

Americans must not be distracted by Corporate Fascist Puppet Barack Obama saying "my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens" in his signing statement for the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 (H.R.1540). Presidential "signing statements" are political propaganda with no Constitutional basis. A President who breaches a signing statement covenant faces no more consequences than any other corrupt politician who renegs on a promise. By signing NDAA and attempting to give its unconstitutional provisions the force of law, Barack Hussein Obama became complicit with all of the bought-and-paid-for U.S. Senators and Representatives who voted for this bill, and along with them should be charged with Seditious Conspiracy under U.S. Code Title 18 Part I Chapter 115 Section 2384. Unless and until these vermin are arrested, charged and removed from office, I will no longer consider the government they infest to be legitimate. Nor will I respect any ruling to the contrary from a judicial system that grants rights of citizenship to corporate entities that treat settlements and penalties for criminal conduct as costs of doing business with no concerns about incarceration or execution to deter their illegal, immoral or unethical conduct.

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[-] 1 points by dxtboxer (0) 6 years ago

I'm sorry, but this is simply the most sensationalist, fallacious, knee-jerk post I have ever read. First you criticize Obama for something he can't control (Congress has 2/3 majority to block a veto), then attack him for issuing a signing statement that explicitly says he will simply not enforce certain parts of the NDAA which he has outlined IN THE SAME SIGNING STATEMENT, which at the same time criticized the bill and the aforementioned sections that he has reservations about.

Posts like this have no place in this movement.

[-] 0 points by ironboltbruce (371) from Miami, FL 6 years ago

Obama is an irrelevant puppet, but we must indict the puppets to expose the puppetmasters. That is the focus of this movement, not the re-election of a sellout. You are in the wrong forum.

[-] 1 points by commandergreen (1) 6 years ago

The problem is you leftists "get off" by "working together" where we got off by "working against" a common enemy. What you are saying could work if you tweaked it

You say "stand up and unite" and that works for a leftist, but when I hear that it makes me want to puke. Now if you could somehow convince us with quotes that the 1% "hated" the common man we the reactionaries would become furious and thats how you would get us.

[-] 0 points by ironboltbruce (371) from Miami, FL 6 years ago

I hear your criticism. How about following it up with a contribution?

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 6 years ago

< ahem >

First off - on the President's roll and the issue of indefinite detention:

this is how it works:

President Obama signs a bill to fund the Defense Department, though he's upset with one provision that prohibits bringing Guantánamo detainees to the US for trial. He vows to fight the restrictions.

The president registered his opposition in a two-page signing statement issued shortly after he approved the Defense Department funding bill.

President Obama strongly objected on Friday to provisions of the 2011 Defense Authorization Act that prevent the military from transferring Guantánamo detainees to the US for trial.


The president had made a pledge that he would close Guantánamo within a year of taking office, and Attorney General Eric Holder sought to lay the groundwork for public trials of high profile Al Qaeda suspects in the US justice system – including alleged 9/11 mastermind Khaled Shaikh Mohammed.

But those efforts are now stalled.

and the date again: January 7, 2011*

and you can read the rest of the CSM article here

On March 7, 2011, President Barack Obama signed an executive order making a number of changes to policies regarding those detained at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. In a reversal of his previous policy, the order resumes military trials for Gitmo detainees. It also establishes a "periodic review" process for for long-held Guantanamo detainees who have not been charged, convicted or designated for transfer, "but must continue to be detained because they 'in effect, remain at war with the United States,'" according to a White House fact-sheet.

The new policy was viewed by many media outlets as an acknowledgment by the administration that it could not keep Obama's campaign promise to close the Guantanamo facility.

Mr. Obama said the restrictions on transfers represent a “dangerous and unprecedented challenge to critical executive branch authority to determine when and where to prosecute Guantánamo detainees.” `

the rest of this politifact.com article here

Point Being

  • this is how they do - attach bullshit to the spending bill. The Congress tied the President's hands early in 2011 with defense authorization that included

    • "prohibits bringing Guantánamo detainees to the US for trial"
  • Now we have a new defense authorization spending bill - NDAA - that includes further revision to the policy of indefinite detention.

Again, his hands have been tied by using the vehicle of defense spending bills to push bad policy on the public

It is my contention that if you want to persue Seditious Conspiracy under U.S. Code Title 18 Part I Chapter 115 Section 2384 then I suggest we begin with Levin/McCain, who wrote the bill

[-] 1 points by EricBlair (447) 6 years ago



News alert: Barrack Obama lying sack of shit. Had ample opportunity to close Guantanamo with simple executive order chose not to. Waits until congress explicitly prevents him uses it as excuse.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 6 years ago

I'm on dial-up

[-] 1 points by EricBlair (447) 6 years ago

We've had this conversation before. You aren't really on dial-up.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 6 years ago

Actually I am - it kinda sucks.

[-] 0 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 6 years ago

And where, pray tell, would the prisoners have gone had such an executive order been issued?

They weren't allowed on American soil by an act of congress. They had to be transferred to other countries willing to take them. Most of them have been, despite often difficult, complex and time consuming negotiations. There are 171 prisoners left. Negotiations have concluded to transfer 88 of them and they are set to go. But this bill tries to prohibit the transfer of detainees from one country to another, making Gitmo permanent. Obama's signing statement rejected that. He is still trying to close Guantanamo, and congress is doing everything in its power to force him to keep it open.

Your accusation aimed is at the wrong target.

[-] 1 points by Duthos (2) 6 years ago

If your movement is finally willing to recognize the need for violence in the face of violence, I will come. I am canadian, but the american insanity is a threat to the entire world. No more left and right, no more black or white, no more american or non-american; we all need to fight for the future of our children.

America is the new nazi germany, and the rest of the world will have to unite, and soon, or the groundwork the US has been laying for world domination since the end of WWII will be nigh impossible to unseat.

[-] -1 points by ironboltbruce (371) from Miami, FL 6 years ago

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - John F. Kennedy

[-] 1 points by Duthos (2) 6 years ago

The last honest president. Almost certainly why he was shot too. Can't do business with a straight arrow in the room.


[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 6 years ago

Second, as to the issue of

  • No more Left. No more Right. Time to Unite. Stand and Fight!

I would point out the facts presented by these links:

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[-] -3 points by OccupyLink (529) 6 years ago

We need to unite. But against people like you - the ones out to get Obama. The bank executives are the criminals here, not the fine and great men and women who lead the United States and love flag. We must all bring these banking criminals to justice.

Who are the criminals? They have the word "Director" or "President" in their job title. The bank clerks, managers and tellers are small innocent fish trying to scratch out a living like the rest of us. Banking Vice Presidents and the likes pay themselves massive bonuses, in some cases over $100 million each. In a typical bank over 400 of these presidents and directors pay themselves over a million in an annual bonuses. This is on top of their super-staggering salaries and $20,000 corporate lunches - not to mention their usage of prostitution services, paid by the bank.

[-] 1 points by ironboltbruce (371) from Miami, FL 6 years ago

We are not "out to get Obama", Grasshopper. Obama is a corporate fascist puppet, just like Bush was before him, Clinton before him, etc ad nauseum. We are indicting the puppets to expose the puppetmasters, who may be the very people you describe.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 6 years ago

so what - what does that mean? Obama is a corporate fascist puppet

Bush wanted a 50 year occupation of Iraq. As candidate Obama said he would withdraw - and as soon as he said that, within 2 days the bush admin began talking a timeline. They hadn't even done that up to that point.

You say there is no right or left?

I say I tend toward the center.

I say we should focus on the two clowns who wrote that bill - Levin and McCain.

What do you say? Obama is a corporate fascist puppet

Has the President advocated ending tax breaks for the one percent?

or not