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Forum Post: New poll democrats say Big government is more a threat than Big business

Posted 10 years ago on Dec. 16, 2011, 2:24 p.m. EST by newjustice22 (49)
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[-] 6 points by XaiverBuchsIV (508) 10 years ago

Another TROLL.

[-] 1 points by AndyJ0hn (129) 10 years ago

I don't know how you can say this is a troll? its just a link posting...

[-] 3 points by XaiverBuchsIV (508) 10 years ago

"Big government" is simply more corporate media misdirection. The corporate financial complex is trying to turn citizen frustration with money in politics against government instead of against corporations and government.

It is ignorant to think that "size of government" is an issue when the size should be determined by what it necessary to perform its constitutional obligations, and "smaller government" would be less able to do just that (regulate business and protect citizens), which is the goal of the corporate-financial complex.

[-] -1 points by Farleymowat (415) 10 years ago

Wake the fuck up. This damn government is out of control. Taking bribes, on the take, corrupt. Business is to blame for offering a bribe, but that is where it ends. Government, particularly, the law making branch, and the judiciary ignore our constitution to such an extent, it has become irrelevant.

[-] 1 points by XaiverBuchsIV (508) 10 years ago

We agree that control is the issue. What does that have to do with size?

[-] 0 points by Farleymowat (415) 10 years ago

Ever expanding. It never ends. Always growing. Always taking. Always stealing. Every day congress is in session, we lose a little more freedom.

[-] 1 points by XaiverBuchsIV (508) 10 years ago

Size and control are not the same issue. A small government can be just as corrupt as a large one. In fact it would be easier, or I should say "less expensive", to corrupt.

[-] 0 points by Farleymowat (415) 10 years ago

The government size is a problem. It's called theft. On a much larger scale.

[-] 1 points by XaiverBuchsIV (508) 10 years ago

By your reasoning - and I use that term very loosely here - the best government is no government.

[-] 0 points by Farleymowat (415) 10 years ago

No! False! We do need limited government. The power needs to reside with the states. The federal government was created by the states and given limited power. They were given two powers: The protection of interstate commerce, and protection of the states, ie. War.

[-] -1 points by newjustice22 (49) 10 years ago

So the truth is trolling ok that makes sense

[-] 2 points by Frizzle (520) 10 years ago

Truth of polls is very subjective. But more importantly, it is useless information.

[-] -1 points by newjustice22 (49) 10 years ago

Its not useless information it makes sense if you look at how obama polls are droping he is big government guy. Thats why you see a lot of people in ows saying the same thing. I mean look at NDAA thats a huge power grab. There is such a thing as to big my personal opinion is that government should have 20 percent power than the rest to the people. What we need to ask our self is what should government do and what they should not do.

[-] 5 points by BlueRose (1437) 10 years ago

[-] XaiverBuchsIV 4 points 34 minutes ago

MODS: Please set up code to change all instances of "big government" to "wig wonderment", as the trolling on this phrase has reached Ron Lawl proportions.

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[-] -3 points by newjustice22 (49) 10 years ago

troll face the facts

[-] 3 points by scvblwxq (155) 10 years ago

Big Business controlling Big Government is really bad, I think its called fascism.

[-] 0 points by newjustice22 (49) 10 years ago

You are correct sir thats why you want small government because it lessens that power look at whats happening in europe. Goldmen sacs owns europe. Thats what happen when u have big government.

[-] 2 points by scvblwxq (155) 10 years ago

There are no successful economies with weak governments in the world and plenty of failed economies with weak governments.

[-] 0 points by newjustice22 (49) 10 years ago

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm How do you think america got so great we have been falling ever since we been doing this big government crap. Its a fact smaller the government the better it is for the people. Thats why a nobody in america could become a somebody over night.

[-] 2 points by scvblwxq (155) 10 years ago

We've been doing big government since the 1930s and haven't done too badly. Lately though the government seems captured by the corporations. A very few nobodies become somebody but the vast majority stay nobodies and just want a job and to raise their families and have some security.

[-] 0 points by newjustice22 (49) 10 years ago

Have you notice the only way to become somebody is if you make a website. Because the internet is true free markets no regulations. You can't be the next mc donalds because mc Donalds makes the regulations. That make it so costly that you can't never make it. Thats what big government does. Its always been like that in history thats why the founding fathers told us to keep it small. So we can all be great.

[-] 1 points by scvblwxq (155) 10 years ago

With a small government the corporations have all of the power and set the rules to benefit them at the expense of the people.

We had that in the 1800s to early 1900s and it was intolerable for most of people.

Trusts ruled commerce and fixed prices so there was little competition and people paid the max leading to the Great Depression collapse as there ended up being not enough money in the consumers hands to support industry.

[-] 1 points by newjustice22 (49) 10 years ago

No we were great in those years thats how we got the reputation that you could be poor and quickly be rich. Communism and socialism is what big government ends to. The country's that practice socialism and communism the big corporations rule. Because they use government as an enforcer. If the corporation don't have big government as their enforcer they can't win

[-] 1 points by scvblwxq (155) 10 years ago

In socialist/communist China their constitution says they are a socialist country and the Communist Party runs the country.

Under their constitution the purpose of the government is to improve the lives of its people which have come from famines where millions died to the largest exporter in the world.

When currency devaluations are reversed China is probably the largest economy in the world growing around 10% a year with pay increases also running around 10% a year.

Anytime you have many big corporations you also have big government just to create the environment corporations work in.

Corporation work on a short time scale and don't have the time to build roads and educate children to adults or do basic research that is done in mostly government supported universities. They also need a healthy workforce which becomes the governments responsibility with vaccine development and health research. A big legal system is also needed to settle disputes between businesses and to protect property and a big military to protect trade.

The goals and control of the government probably matter more than its size. If money is prevented from influencing the government it will probably do what the citizens desire if not it becomes a tool of monied interests often to keep others from achieving success.

[-] 1 points by newjustice22 (49) 10 years ago

China economy has grown because they have slowly started becoming capitalist even they admit it. So you like the famine there and the fact that they take land from poor farmers to give to big corporations in china.

[-] 1 points by scvblwxq (155) 10 years ago

State capitalism where the government owns or controls the large corporations. China's state owned corporations control 80% of the assets of their top 500 corporations.

The 100,000 US factories that moved to China because of their devaluations and import back to the US also helped them grow.

The corporations then rehire the farmers at a higher income than they were making as farmers.

[-] 1 points by newjustice22 (49) 10 years ago

Also no they don't china is having riots everyday for the land grabs that are not fair. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIYqjqV52ts&feature=g-like&context=G221780fALTvKP0wApAA

[-] 1 points by newjustice22 (49) 10 years ago

They moved to china because of nafta and gat traitors in the 90s clinton sign us on for slave labor in china.

[-] 1 points by scvblwxq (155) 10 years ago

From what little I've read the US corporations wanted complete control in their factories in China.

The pay is very low in US dollars but the prices in China are also very low in US dollars, like $1 for a cheap haircut, so the factory workers end up middle-class.

The workers in China wonder why the workers in the US are so powerless. Taft-Hartley prohibits union pension funds, where the employer contributes, for exercising any use of their stock shares to improve their workers life. If the company can make an extra $1 by firing its workers the workers pension fund is fine with that. EXCLUSIVE UNION CONTROL OF PENSION FUNDS: TAFT-HARTLEY'S ILL-CONSIDERED PROHIBITION http://www.law.upenn.edu/journals/jbl/articles/volume4/issue1/Fogdall4U.Pa.J.Lab.&Emp.L.215(2001).pdf

[-] 1 points by demcapitalist (977) 10 years ago

That's what happens if you have fascism. It has nothing to do with size it's how much corporate influence is allowed. Corporations love the Idea of small government, that's why the Koch brothers and big business $'s jumped all over the tea party. Making government smaller and less effective is another handout to our welfare for billionaires program.

[-] 1 points by CrowPotkin (22) from Holbrook, NY 10 years ago

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[-] 1 points by bill1102inf2 (357) 10 years ago

its all to pay the Saudi Arabian people so they can live the life Americans should:


[-] 0 points by Farleymowat (415) 10 years ago

I don't believe it. Dems love big government. They love to control you, as do most republicans.