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Forum Post: Neolibe(R)tarian

Posted 1 year ago on Feb. 4, 2013, 11:29 a.m. EST by shoozTroll (17632)
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For all of those in denial of their existence, I present the latest one to be found.

How many more are members of the Atlas Society and what other "societies" are they members of?

One thing is clear, most of them are (R)epelican'ts and deserve the (R) in their descriptors.

http://www.prwatch.org/news/2013/01/11964/wisconsin-senator-ron-johnson-hearts-ayn-rand

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[-] 2 points by owsarmy (300) 1 year ago

They represent the greatest threat to the 99%

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Yes they do and the threat is worldwide.

Their greatest achievement, is convincing people they don't exist.

Sounds like the "devil" to me.

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2042) 1 year ago

Related info:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Neo-Libertarian

And a bump up for a worthy post.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Gosh, but they've never been mentioned on prisonplanet.

Just a lot about the Pauls.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2042) 1 year ago

Go figure! LOL

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Go figure this.

There are people on this forum who claim to be in support of OWS that refuse to say anything bad about her followers, yet her philosophy is for the most part a polar opposite of everything OWS stands for.

Those people tend not to like me very much........:)

I don't mind.

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2042) 1 year ago

I see all that and I know that making the right enemies is an important measure of who is a true occupier.

You are, That is clear. Several others not so much.

[-] 2 points by owsarmy (300) 1 year ago

Conveeeeeeeenient. : /

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

A little current event proof of the thread topic?

Inevitable evolution of neocons+Libertarian.= NeoLibe(R)tarians.

http://www.nolanchart.com/article10105-conservatism-in-retreat-on-radio-beck-declares-he-is-libertarian.html

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I never had any doubts. Beck was one long before admitted it.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I know right. Good to see it in black n white. whatta wack job.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I see in some 6 billion colors and an equal amount in shades of grey.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You are very fortunate. In any event, whatever color we see through the neo libertarian guise.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

It's all combinations of RGB and shades of grey anyway.

Or was that CMYK?

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I suppose it could be all or combinations

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Forcing it on students is the latest way to create new neolibe(R)tarians.

And here I thought they were against "forcing" anything on anyone.

I guess that only counts, sometimes.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/02/06/idaho-lawmakers-bill-forces-students-to-pass-atlas-shrugged-test-to-graduate/

[-] 1 points by owsarmy (300) 1 year ago

indoctrination/propaganda/brainwashing. bastards always gotta cheat.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

The truth got a little bit of notice, back in the day.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-great-libertarian-con/

[-] 2 points by owsarmy (300) 1 year ago

I will peruse

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

It's always amazed me, how many bought the con and came here in an attempt to protect and propagate it.

[-] 2 points by owsarmy (300) 1 year ago

There are many uninformed people who are swayed by the fear mongering used by libertarian/neocons. Very potent tool.

OWS is the best remedy for this. Really any progressive group that works to educate the population is critical to undo the damage of bainwashing.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Those who minimize the effects of the works of Rand are the ones to look out for.

At this point that would include Rand Paul too.

[-] 2 points by owsarmy (300) 1 year ago

Her namesake.! Agreed. We stand against that selfish ideology. We stand for progressive solutions that benefit the 99%.

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

Shooz is lying about that whole thing. No need to panic. All the uninformed people seem to be in Wisconsin and Michigan. The rest of us are smart enough that things will be ok.

[-] 2 points by owsarmy (300) 1 year ago

I disagree. You are in fact the dishonest one regarding this issue. To suggest that only 2 states have uninformed people is silly and clearly shows you aren't serious.

[-] -1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

You're right. Based on this board, it's just Michigan. Sorry about that Wisconsin.

See, no forcing, no need to panic.

"But Goedde said that he filed the bill to make a point and does not plan on pushing the issue."

“It was a shot over their bow just to let them know that there’s another way to adopt high school graduation requirements,” Goedde said during the committee meeting. “I don’t intend to schedule a hearing on it.”

[-] 2 points by owsarmy (300) 1 year ago

Yes the problem is only 1 state. You have less and less credibility.

Well done. You are now officially dismissed.

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

Are you still worried about Goedde and Atlas Shrugged or did I set your mind at ease? I need to hear that I've done at least one good deed today.

[-] 2 points by owsarmy (300) 1 year ago

You have done nothing but confirm your ignorance on these issues. Put down the libertarian propaganda and read something more progressive. It's not too late.

[-] -1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

I'm reading that 50 Shades thing, which is kind of cool. There's not that much libertarian propaganda in it.

You should reread that article about Goedde. I promise it will make you feel better. Go give it a whirl.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

(R)epelican'ts lie all the time.

Answer me this, why did he choose a work of fiction by Ms. Rand?

Poorly written fiction at that.

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

Maybe it's just a hoax, like when that girl was set on fire for wearing an Obama shirt.

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

They lie all the time and evidently you do too. There's no other way to quote that guy, so you either understand it, don't understand it, or you're embarrassed about being busted so you're going to stick to your guns and refuse to admit it. I'm sure ALEC teaches people to do the same thing when they get caught

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Where did I lie?

Why didn't you answer the question?

Would that make you a liar by default?

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

He choose it A. because he likes it and B. I'm sure most of his opponents flip out about it like you do, so it helped him make a point about high school graduation requirements. And no, nothing here makes me a liar by default. I'm not sure you know what liar or default means.

You lied when you said the book was being forced on high school students as a conspiracy to indoctrinate them, when the article says nothing like that. In fact, it says the opposite, that there will be no effort made to push the book on anyone. That was you lying to trump up the Libertarian boogie man agenda you love. Good thing I busted you or some people might have been duped by your manipulation of a news article. Better luck next time, Alec. We'll be watching you

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You're still not answering the question.

I'll ask a new one, just for you.

Do you approve of the actions of ALEC?

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

I did answer your question. Now explain to me what it is you expect my research to find out, besides the fact that nobody is forcing anything on anyone in Idaho. You didn't do that below for some reason.

No i don't approve, but this isn't about ALEC. It's about you lying and using ALEC like scare tactics

[-] -2 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

"But Goedde said that he filed the bill to make a point and does not plan on pushing the issue."

He did it just to rile folks like you up. You took the bait (and left out that very important detail). Nice try.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

No, it's because he made his son read it, and he claims it made a conse(R)vative out of him.

and there it is again, the relationship between libe(R)tarains and (R)epelican'ts.

Plain as day, "evil".

It was you who took the bait, worm breath.

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

“It was a shot over their bow just to let them know that there’s another way to adopt high school graduation requirements,” Goedde said during the committee meeting. “I don’t intend to schedule a hearing on it.”

The son thing was there to get you angry. He's messing with you. Fun and easy, so I can understand why he would.

And I thought you hated terms like evil. I said it once about the shooter in Denver and you wigged out, like it implied God and Satan and an oversimplification of things.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Research.

The rest of the story is out there. I'm not going to do it all for you.

I put "evil" in quotes for a purpose.

[-] -1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

How "intelligent" of you.

Googled it and every link points out that he wasn't serious. You're the only who left that fact out. Hmmm, I wonder why.

Maybe someone will make playing Bioshock a requirement so they can learn how evil Rand and the libe(R)tarains and (R)epelican'ts are. Notice, no quotes. Would that make you happy?

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

OMFG.

Research means actually looking for facts.

I won't tell you where I found it, but here it is.

he chose that particular book because it “made my son a Republican,” though he later added: “Well, he’s not a practicing Republican. But it certainly made him a conservative.”

[-] -2 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

He chose it to make a point and piss (D)umbocrats like you off. That's all. He was making a point. You do know that Jonathan Swift didn't really want to eat children, don't you? Goedde was never forcing anything on anybody like you said he was. You lied by omission to try to use scare tactics to further your cause.

It makes me wonder how many other annoying facts you've left out over the years. You and ALEC have a lot in common.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

His desire to further ruin the public school system for ALEC is NO joke.

But you are.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Actually, Wall St is a big fan of regulations for all those underneath them, it helps them keep their power.

No regs for them, drown the rest of us in em.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Which has to do with ALEC ruining the public school system in what way?

Other than the fact that that's what neolibe(R)tarians do.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Im pretty sure the dumbing down of the students and the entire nations is part of a much broader scale than simply ALEC. Do they participate? Of course. Are the neocons and libs intent on making us a nation of dumb, over-consuming maniacs? Very much so.

Education needs to be more horizontal, like occupy. Dems, Reps or the Neos have no intention on that. I dont think labeling them as a specific group, which would mean they have certain political beliefs, is productive.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Honestly, your obsession with your self created pet names is a bit telling of whose interest you have in this entire thing.

And like I said, all the people involved in ALEC enjoy keeping the regulations on all the small guys, and certainly arent socially liberal, so the pet name is inaccurate to boot. Come up with something a bit more accurate and you may be onto something.

And Im not sure what conspiracy theories you are talking about, except maybe you dont believe the links I posted on ALEC a ways back? OR that on the big issues, there is no difference between the Dems and the Reps?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Pretty good ignoring all those links that actually provide something besides names numbers and lists.

So what's your buddy Rick Scott up to these days?

I've laid off of him to give you a chance top tell us, after all you said you would, but you didn't.

I notice that your other buddies, Ron Paul and Alex Jones never say a word about him, in spite of all of his malfeasance and neither do you.

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

to control the education of the people?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

No. To profitize the dis-education of the people.

It's what they do.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

always

[-] -1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

Don't be mad. You lied and got busted and now your credibility is zero. I'm sure that with some hard work you can build it back up.

Just don't do the ALEC thing and play with the facts. Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster. Until then your name is Alec P. Shooz.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

No, it's you who's been lying about me lying, all the while you refuse to accept the truth, or do any effective research.

Don't you have a video game you should be playing?

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

I'd rather play bust the liar with you, Alec. Tag, you're it.

"But Goedde said that he filed the bill to make a point and does not plan on pushing the issue."

“It was a shot over their bow just to let them know that there’s another way to adopt high school graduation requirements,” Goedde said during the committee meeting. “I don’t intend to schedule a hearing on it.”

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

[-] 1 points by freakzilla (31) 0 minutes ago I really don't have a problem with that. Your average teacher is not into Rand, so I can't see it being pushed in a classroom (not that a good teacher should be pushing any of their ideals on the kids). Expose the kids to as many different books and ideas as possible, then let them decide for themselves. Don't start fearing and banning books.

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You are attempting to treat it as if it is independent of any motive. That motive is quite clear. Furthermore, the Tea Party folk down in Tucson went to banning books left and right as well as an entire program. Brought to you by the same folk that wrote a hella lot of jacked up legislation.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

There is a rhythm to it.


passive verb cases of do that

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

I tried to explain it to you before. It's fun. Not fun when lobbyists throw in a bunch of shit but, it's fun. Once you have down the first part it's easy peasy.

when I see laws written to obfuscate, I become very anger

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I tried to explain it to you before. It's fun. Not fun when lobbyists throw in a bunch of shit but, it's fun. Once you have down the first part it's easy peasy.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

Congressional Law is near incomprehensible and not not be written that way.

I read All is Quiet on the Western Front in high school.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

There is a rhythm to it.

[-] 1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

Sorry, but your response below doesn't make any sense.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Sure it does.

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

How about your brother? Was he brainwashed and indoctrinated or did he just get the ability to discuss the book based on reading it himself, as opposed to just going by what others have told him?

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

He's lost all faith in adults that consider it to be good literature.

Damn good thing we got to him first, yeah? That is what it is all about, innit? Couldn't wait to get their hands on him to indoctrinate him. Fail.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

shrugs TLDR

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You didn't research any further, you just keep repeating yourself.

Did Mom ground you from the Xbox?

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

[-] 1 points by shooz (16057) 0 minutes ago That's sicker still.

Whatever else can be said about Rand, she was a piss poor writer by any measure.

The neolibe(R)tarians have been trying to change history for some time now, and they do have the full support of the Texas school board.

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Yeah, she is a piss poor writer. I used to have a copy of that and her philosophy books. I find it rather funny that they spend this much energy into white washing history.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

That's been happening all over the south.

I do believe ALEC is involved in that too.

I would find it funny, if it wasn't real. As it is, I just find it sick.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

[-] 1 points by shooz (16054) 0 minutes ago Sick, what passes for literature in Texas, isn't it?

What class required it?

poly sci?

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No. I think it was an English class. My Dad was livid. It's the same year they came out with the changes to history that broke down to Blacks were better off under slavery.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

That's sicker still.

Whatever else can be said about Rand, she was a piss poor writer by any measure.

The neolibe(R)tarians have been trying to change history for some time now, and they do have the full support of the Texas school board.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

My brother had it for required reading in Texas. He graduated high school last year. I think I already told you guys that.

[-] 1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

I really don't have a problem with that. Your average teacher is not into Rand, so I can't see it being pushed in a classroom (not that a good teacher should be pushing any of their ideals on the kids). Expose the kids to as many different books and ideas as possible, then let them decide for themselves. Don't start fearing and banning books.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Sick, what passes for literature in Texas, isn't it?

What class required it?

poly sci?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

[-] 1 points by shooz (16057) 0 minutes ago That's been happening all over the south.

I do believe ALEC is involved in that too.

I would find it funny, if it wasn't real. As it is, I just find it sick.

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It is funny (in an insane way) because it is happening right in front of us and there are people actually supporting this shit. And nothing can be done to stop them.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

It's like the BIG lie that no can accept as real, so they get away with it.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Apathy is a bitch.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

No Matt, not everyone (repeats themselves)

I repeat myself often but if I'm focused

I come out with new ideas now and then

[-] 1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

TLDR! LOL! Same for me.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I get beat down for new ideas and interpretations all the time......

Usually by those that repeat themselves often.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

like everyone else

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

No Matt.

Not everyone.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I don't like lying ass libe(R)tarians ( all of them). that should be obvious even to you."

Would you be able to tolerate working with libertarians and anarchists to address the corruption on Wall St?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

seems they should be upset about bank interest and rent

taxing the people

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I haven't seen YOU do that. You spend most of your time and effort attacking people, name calling and expressing your hate of the 99%.

Libe(R)tatrians RUN WallStreet, so I would find that disingenuous.

You should go back to Alex Jones.

[-] -1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

No, of course not. My Mom passed away years ago. What a stupid question.

What's left to research? They guy's not doing what you said he is,end of story. Maybe you should take the time to advance your cause and explain it to me. Are you just pissed that somebody somewhere likes Atlas Shrugged?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

So it just broke then?

I don't like lying ass libe(R)tarians ( all of them). that should be obvious even to you.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

read Earth Abides

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

What other "societies"? I keep telling you, it's Rapture and those damned genetic monsters we need to look out for. Andrew Ryan went too far.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You either need drugs, or you need to get off of them.

Which is it?

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

little from column a, little from column b

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

PJ O'Rourke is the man

“There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences.”

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2042) 1 year ago

And not hurt other people in the process?

[-] 1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

The point s that we can whatever we want, including hurting other people. Murder and drunk driving are illegal, but try to stop me. i just have to deal with the consequences for what I choose to do. Always liked,it because it's about our potential and about our,personal responsibility.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2042) 1 year ago

Of course we CAN do whatever we want legal or not. I'm simply saying hurting others must remain illegal so that there ARE consequences.

[-] -2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Neo this and neo that... Globalists are globalists.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

My term is more accurate and properly descriptive.

Yours is a generalization.

Not surprising from a guy who has minimized the actions of ALEC, and seems to feel libe(R)tarians have no effect on anything at all..

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Your term is some made up nonsense that you are clearly trying to capitalize on.

Globalists are globalists. If you want to coin your own phrases in some plea for uniqueness, go for it.

As for ALEC, the current administratino and the last administration accepted fuck tons of money from the companies that are on their board. So fuck em.

Globalists, facsists, corporatists, central planners, etc... Perhaps some day NeoLibe(R)tarians will be main stream and you can say that you created it.

Next.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I've realized your promote Nationalism for some time now.

You are a truly strange sort of hypocrite.