Forum Post: NEO COMMUNISTS? OR PAWNS FOR NEO COMMUNISTS?
Posted 13 years ago on Sept. 29, 2011, 1:46 p.m. EST by commiekiller2012
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I challenge all of your organizers to publicly denounce communism, and publicly deny having any Communist affiliations. Whether you realize it or not you are spreading the red agenda for them under the guise of "workers rights." Perhaps you would be happier in Soviet gulag?
Sorry Commiekiller, the Cold War is over. It would serve you better to stop thinking in black and white terms. And might I ask the basis of this challenge? Communism hasn't hurt Americans like capitalism has. Most people are angry not with communism, but with a system that has promoted unfettered capitalism and the corporate takeover of our democracy while marginalizing the 99%.
capitalism hasn't hurt america- there has never been capitalism in america. corporate oligarchy has hurt america, and used "capitalism" and "democracy" as store front masks.
Indeed gawdoftruth. I am not against capitalism. I should have said "unrestrained or unfettered capitalism," which I think has hurt people.
again, in essence we agree but you are inexact. since there has never been capitalism but instead make believe capitalism, its not unrestrained or unfettered. its just plain corporate oligarchy- not capitalism. This ends the argument between us and capitalists- we are for a free market- so we actually have much more in common than the capitalists do with the corporate oligarchy.
So you admit you are a Communist.
Commiekiller, your tactics here are not going to impress many people. Try to stop feeling so small inside. You have the power to make a positive and meaningful contribution to our world. Empower yourself and use this valuable resource to develop extended networks and communities that work for positive change. You may be surprised what you can accomplish.
Peace. Oh and, LOL, no I'm not a Communist.
Shout it out loud in front of your comrades.
hey commie, you might enjoy the chat room.
no, we are not spreading their agenda for them. We are working on a democratic agenda against an oppressive and fascist corporate oligarchy. The terms communism and socialism have been used to invalidate anything that stands against corporate power. We aren't playing, and we are not interested in con scam spun redefinitions of what communism is or people using that term as if they even understood what it means as an ad hom.
a short session of reading of history might be very useful... not the first people to use this argument.
history 101. in the 14 hundreds humans with giant world conquering sized navies set out on a great adventure to begin redefining themselves socially and civilly. The essential game was up because the masses figured out and rejected slavery and simple forms of kingship. The quest was on; how to maintain a caste nobility of kings and elites and vampires... while still making it all LOOK moral and ethical. Different countries ended up with different schemes but they all amounted to masks and rituals on top of evolved feudalism. We haven't escaped. there has never been a democracy, never a capitalism, never a communism, never a socialism. there has only been a caste oligarchy feudal system using assorted political meta fictions and keeping dupe populations.
right. as usual, any of the propaganda garbage nonsense noise would never have been committed by some fool if only they had done some more dedicated reading before opening their topside diarrhea valve.
Looks like you are intoxicated with RED kool-aid.
looks like your intoxicated with lies and far right propaganda memes and the inability to communicate minus ad homs.
The reds always resort to buzz words & name calling when hysteria starts to set in.
again, quite laughable given that "reds" is a buzzword and name calling and hysteria.
Yeah, catchy title for this topic.
I, for one, am more libertarian, but I don't think my politics should matter here. To me, this movement is about taking back the country from the richest 1%.
Yes - the systemic greed and corruption is nonpartisan and negatively effects 99% of all Americans, regardless of ideology.
But will you stand out here on video & publicly deny being a Communist.?
LOL oh Mr. McCarthy you crack me up - you and your reds under the bed. Oops, sorry, that was Hoover, that naughty boy.
Seriously, dude, it's the 21st century.
God bless Senator McCarthy.
Perhaps I will be happy when I put you in one.
you are angry at stupidity.
Communism is dead & reds are next.
Great your doing just what we want you to do. Showing your childish foolishness, jealousy and lack of understanding about financial distribution. Watch the backlash to class warfare. More jobs going overseas, more tax shelters, more hiding right under plain view. I use to have a heart for the underclass and the working class. No more. YOU want to attack us for simply doing jobs we were trained to do and working hard well man screw you then you stupid clowns. SUFFER. I hope you watch me shag your girlfriend or wife when you can't provide for her. I will make her part of my harem. Screw the poor. Screw the unions and screw the government.
I solemnly swear... that on this day... September 29, 2011... I hereby denounce Communism. :o)
people! people! DON'T FEED THE TROLL...
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so your argument is one should be more happy to be in an american prison then a sovjet one? would you extend that judgement to other nations like thailand vs cuba?
Communism is a society that has reached such a level of abundance and technological advancement that everything can be given away for free. Scarcity no longer exists. Goods and services no longer need to be rationed. Everyone is wealthy. And work is now voluntary since machines do all the boring, monotonous jobs nobody wants to do.
Yes, that must be denounced. I mean, who in their right mind would want to live in such a terrible society of progress, wealth and leisure?
Stop feeding the troll.
Give it a rest fascist. Will you stand in front of the cameras and say "I'm not a fascist?" And anyway, we are not plotting for the overthrow of the government we are talking about and working towards returning the system to a true democracy.
That's what you call anyone who exposes communism. What's your point?
What does exposes communism mean? There are communists among us. There are socialists (hi). There are libertarians. There are anarchists. There are environmentalists. Democracy is for/by/of the people so what is the problem?
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Similarly, the drones of the matrix whine on about and against socialism and communism. Two very exact political theoretical systems which HAVE NEVER EXISTED.
In each case, some patent elite money centered oligarchy PRETENDS to have a political system while in fact running that political system as a MERE CON SCAM
designed to MAINTAIN THE PEASANT CASTE.
There has NEVER been a "Democracy". Not once on this planet. There has NEVER been "Socialism". There has NEVER been "Communism". There has NEVER been "Capitalism."
But you all argue as if these things have not only existed but provide concrete examples of cause and effect inside of social and poltical systems.
Nothing could be further from the truth."Socialism" and "Communism" are being used as mere ideological PROPS, to which is pinned the assorted angst which republicanism
inverts against "government" in order for the elites to point the finger at government and thus distract from themselves as the actual culprit. The Point of the smoke
and mirrors is to say" Communism " or "Socialism" is bad, and then to say that doesn't work, and then to claim that what somebody proposes as a solution is "Communist"
or "Socialist". Meanwhile, whats really going on is corporate oligarchy, and the only way that can be turned into a genuine democracy is to balance against corporate powers
and empower government to force corporations to be fair and moral and ethical instead of allowing them to be evil.
And we should really make the point. Because just like all of the evil scum sucking bottom feeding pigs that we can now continuously reality test to PROVE they are evil and etc...
Corporations are by their inherent nature EVIL entities. They are mass consuming reptile godzillas. They are the ultimate evil negative social entity. They via market and economic
forces alone will always become absolutely sociopathic; will always turn human beings into commodities, will always lie and steal and cheat and even kill people to make that buck.
But there is a curious and important truth about such things which is quite a bit like keeping a crocodile as a pet in the yard. It has no conscience. It is an evil reptile and it
has no warmth, no love, no compassion, no capacity for higher reasoning. It does not care unless you are to eat. And that does not seem like a very useful or meaningful yard pet unless
this is a dynamic permaculture system and we are in fact using that croc to scare other animals like a living scare crow and keep certain populations stable. Suddenly then your croc becomes
a dynamic and necessary creature in a functioning ecology. Similarly, you can't get away from corporations, because thats how technology is implemented. What you can do is design a lucid
ecology and USE and CONTROL the nature of that beast so that there aren't assorted toe jam innocent victims everywhere it steps.
Similarly, police are not evil because of what they do just to protesters. They are evil because thats what they will do live on film, and thats not half as bad as what they do every day someplace else otherwise.
The only thing that is changing is we are forcing them to show that their only power is control and violence, the only thing that is changing is we are reality testing the question of their service. If they
were public servants 400+ people running wall street would be in jail right now, and the Citizens would have arrested the guilty. Instead, we are now given a transparent window into the actual truth.
The police are merely servants and guards in a giant prison of make believe civil rights you don't really have. Their job is actually to maintain the peasant caste, to control it and discipline it for the elites.
They have no moral authority, just violence and implied violence and threats. They do not operate according to laws; they operate above their own laws. If ONE police officer is assaulted it will make the news
as a violent evil protest. But if hundreds of protesters are violently assaulted and then denied medical attention; thats business as usual. Nothing to see here.
Democracy-Greece, Socialism-Venezuela, Communism-Soviet Union, Capitalism- 19th century US. Just naming one example of each to spare you the list.
democracy in greece- patent oligarchy. Socialism in venezuela- patent oligarchy. Communism in Soviet union- patent oligarchy. Capitalism in the usa- patent oligarchy. in each example you give and every example that can be given the actual form of government was a patent oligarchy, and the form of government pinned up on the banners and flags was something else. I will again state. We have NEVER had a democracy or capitalism or socialism or communism on this planet. Oligarchies that LIE and propaganda war themselves as something they are not do not count.
Looks like you have an agenda.
thats quite amusing coming from you. agenda my ass. my agenda is to save the humans and tell the science truth. your agenda is to lie and distort the facts and try to yank us all of into far right moron hell.
Another red coward trying to tell people what to think.
another far right troll ad homming in ignorance and spewing hate.
None of you have denied being commies.
I denounce communism.
Stand up in front of all of them and say that. Prove it.
fine. i'm not a commie. Your initial request is ludicrous and its an ad hom to start. We are pro democracy. DEMOCRACY.
If you are truly being honest & sincere, then I respect that.
of course i am truly being honest and sincere. why would i want anything to do with a 200 year old dead ideology when i can instead solve problems with civil engineering and sociology?
You may sincerely believe that, but this whole thing is a smoke screen for the reds.
you may sincerely believe that, but thats only because you are ignorant, haven't the foggiest clue what communism actually is, and listen to liars and con scam artists instead of bothering to read textbooks. I have knowledge. Your game here proves either that you are ignorant or duped. Which is it?
Joseph McCarthy? Is that you?? Did Doc Brown's DeLorean really take us back to 1955??
The rhetoric issuing from the detractors is as unoriginal as it is laughable. "Communism"? Seriously?
Did you laugh when your Communist heroes rammed chopsticks up the ear canals of Chinese schoolchildren so they could no longer hear about freedom?
You haven't noticed the countless Communist salutes, red stars, socialist worker tabloid rags?