Forum Post: Need a tribe
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 7, 2011, 11:26 a.m. EST by randart
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I wish I had a tribe of common minded people to form a new society, egalitarian in nature with no charismatic or greedy "leader". A society that keeps future generations in mind when making decisions. A society that cares for the Earth.
I know. I want utopia but was hoping that maybe it might still exist somewhere on the planet.
Me too, lets keep working at it.
:) I, too, believe some Native American's had it right. We need to align the natives and learn from them. It is their land, after all.
It was never their land. They belong to the land not the other way around. You dishonor them when you say "their land".
You are both wrong. Many Natives took land. The iraquois had a map and borders like europe. Many natives torchered their enemies to death. The french were horrified by the tactics used by natives against there enemies.
I already made THIS POINT MYSELF below.
Lol. Don't change the subject.
are you retarded.
Lol. No. You've obviously become a product of your projections, anyway.
Which tribe of Native Americans. We're not all alike you know.
I know there are great differences between tribes but within one you have an identity. I am a mutt from Europe and have no sense of tribe or culture. I am sorry that the wasichu types of people did so much damage to your cultures. I hope you still know the language and listen to the stories.
You know the "native" americans conquered the people who were in america before them. Of course you have to give them credit that they had tribal societies based in ecological economics which is very different from "cities".. But did you know the word tribe comes from the original three sections of rome. Tribe is european. In fact, there were indo-european tribes very similar to the native americans. Things are not as cut and dry as you think. We all come from the same family.
I am speaking to the concept of tribe as an identity. We are not all the same mentally. Those who came from Europe believed they had a right to everything and everyone that was in the way. The religions that came with us somehow gave the Europeans a sense of God given rights to what they did.
I know this society will never be able to regain a sense of tribe and common culture. There are simply too many people to ever achieve this sort of cultural balance again. But, I still wish I could find a place and a people to call home even if it is only a reservation and a small remnant of what once was.
I have never felt more alone than when I go to a city. People don't look each other in the eye or say hello without suspicion and fear lurking deeply inside their minds.
We are not the same family any more. We are a collective of strangers trying to pretend there are no others around us.
That is NOT true. There is nothing ethnic about it.
Europeans brought guns, germs, and steel. So European settlers had superior technology.
some of the native americans tried to raid the europeans who came to their shores. Some of the native americans were peaceful.
The "story" is NOT fact. While I agree that many of the "primitive" technologies of the natives are superior in terms of creating community and belonging and seeing themselves as belonging to the earth rather then "owning" land,
You can't attribute Europe's lack in this mindset to a racial, ethnic, or inherited mindset but rather accumulated choices to benefit the ruling classes of europe over dynasties.
The modern idea of cities originated in Egypt, Greece, and India. Out of those three, India is the only one who saw, through tantra, that we are one with everything rather then the gods, man, and nature being separate. Greece and Egypt saw animal and divine as separate, and western society has snowballed from there into modern life, where everything is separate. Greece had the "Elusinian Mysteries" but still saw the gods as very distinctly separate. All three had shamanistic and tribal aspects, but only ancient India got it right in the sense of both tantra, everything being part of nature, as well as having cities.
the alchemical traditions are the most relevant for now, and the only thing that can save us.
As much as everyone bashes George Soros, His book the alchemy of finance is the best book on finance ever written. The only thing missing from it is more on the sacred and binary economics.
The real relevant question at hand, INDEED THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS, is how can communities like OWS bring a renewed sense of the sacred to their "process" without making it about religion.
Can secular be sacred? If we can recognize that everything is one, without making it about religion, we have WON!
I agree with most of what you say. The closest thing I can point to as a personal philosophy is Taoism. As I understand it it isn't a religion but a way of life. A path we all should try to walk as we reform a world with so many people and problems.
I don't have an answer to the greed that pervades the globe today. I don't know why corporations buy water rights and try to make it illegal to collect rain water, it did happen but the people revolted and won. All I really said was that I wish I had a tribe. I wish I had a place where I can call home and friends and family that I felt I could trust. I don't feel any identity in this world today.
When the wishing is done, let me remind you that we don't get cheat codes for living. If you really want it, you have to do the work. And if you really believe in looking out for future generations, reconcile yourself to the idea that, more than likely, we will not reap the rewards. Future generations who follow in our footsteps are the ones who will complete the work and enjoy the rewards.
Do you still want it? Do any of you have the heart for it?
your tribe is out there & growing. read a book called "the toucan feather" & check out tocamu.com. its a tribe, a philosophy, a symbol all put together by an academic with a funny name. but it makes sense.
we all want that, its going to be a strange thing to follow our hearts home.
i suppose what really gets you there is the details... maybe you can share more info and help codream it into reality.
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make it in a direct democracy of like minds..
http://uponlocal.com/up-on-local-media/content/american-direct-democracy-voters-test
I am a native american and one of the few actual tradition believers. We had people who were born to lead. A child could hold more power over our tribes than any of the adults in the community. It was our way to accept humiliation and wisdom with the same teaching. I would love to see this world go back to those times, but I am afraid that it is simply not possible at this time. Arrogance, Greed, and Vengeance plague many people, even those who wish to see this day.
How do we get back to those ideals of true leadership? believe in it. Can you see a time where your child will be your teacher as much as you are theirs? I hope so.
Tribe is coming. The winds of change are in the air.
Fingers crossed.
like umnn John Lennon? except a John Lennon who would have given away all his money.
That's cool, if you don't have a family to feed. I gotta go to work, have a nice day
My suggestion: learn a skill, start an employee owned company that does something of value for contemporary society, buy some land. Separate living spaces, but common spaces for entertainment, education, work, and meals. I hope I can accomplish as much in my lifetime.
1 fellow utopian...i doubt it coming to be, but still wish for it, too!
This is a sort of long read but worth it. The world we live in now was seen so many years ago.
http://www.halcyon.com/arborhts/chiefsea.html
So many people responded that I am honestly amazed. Someone sent me a personal message but I don't see a way to read that again.
The Native American people had a name for white people, wasichu, which as I was told by an old friend who was a Native American is this "Greedy Fat Grabber". They saw the wasichu cover the land and claim it for their own, shoot the bison from trains only to let them rot, and many other offenses that still can define "western culture" as wasichu.
People who lived in tribes knew the value of sharing the "fat" and had great disdain for those who violated this basic tribal precept. What was good for one was good for all in the tribe.
Thanks for all the responses! I am about to wander out to see if there is such a community or location any longer in this country. I think the coastal region of Oregon might be a good location to try and find all the needed requirements for such a place to call home.
A resource-based economy is not utopia, but is better than any system that exist today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDJ18m6KUW4
well it's already happening: http://www.tocamu.com/
Why not relocate to one of the native American reservations?
Sorry, if you're looking for that on earth, you're looking in the wrong place.
I agree.
Who is John Galt?
What you really want is to live in a James Cameron movie.
And you want to live in??????
A Ron Howard one.
We both have an idealistic view. Ron Howard began as Opie in Mayberry where the drunk in town had his own cell that he would lock himself into at night and the deputy, Barny, only had one bullet that he kept in his pocket.
Survival of the fittest is man's most basic instinct. Competition is the answer.
The difference between man and other animals is our ability to rationally examine our instincts with a critical eye.
No, it's because humans haven't developed telepathy yet. Who's to say we are the superior ones?
But seriously, competition rules all.
If survival of the fittest results in species extinction then what does that say about our collective mental state?
It says: get a job.
survival might be a basic instinct. Survival of the fittest is not. More often then not do humans work together to increase there chance to survive. That is how we grew, by working together and over come obstacles we could never have taken alone. Humans are social animals, we want to be accepted by our family and friends. Competition does actually go against what we need to be balanced and healthy.
That whole community thing fails every time. Competition is the answer.
It only fails due to the European mentality of superiority infecting the rest of the world. Mine, mine, mine! I want it all.
Yet there are plenty of examples where i doesn't fail. We live in a competitive world now, and you can clearly see all the problems it's causing. Not only for the poor, but also for the people thriving in this system. It's still causing an unhealthy amount of stress, also for the rich and powerful. It's simply not a healthy way to run society.
Stress? Rofl! Man up!
I'm not worried about my own stress. I'm talking about the health of society.
Stress is caused by worrying about things that are out of your control. Focus on things within your control; key to happiness.
Did you even read my post?