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Forum Post: Nazi Persecution, US Foreign Policy & Corporate Behavior seem to be enough to Strengthen Individual Rights

Posted 4 years ago on July 3, 2013, 8:36 p.m. EST by Middleaged (5140)
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This is an attempt to provide 3 Cases or Types of Cases that would Instruct a Generation of Americans. The Premise is that Nazi Persecution, US Foreign Policy & Corporate Behavior seem to be enough to Strengthen Individual Rights, Study of the Constitution & Geneva Conventions, and to Re-Enact Anti-Trust Law and Break Down Corporate Power over Individuals in the USA.

The Trend seems to be toward Global Trade, Global Laws, & Global Treaties. The jury is still out on whether this is progress or a return to a time when Powerful Lords & Merchants ruled harshly over Peasants. Corporations naturally want to take advantage of low wages and move operations, manufacturing, engineering, accounting, and even corporate HQ to the best advantage. But there are problems 1) Wealthy Interests don't teach Labor about Individual Rights, Heath Benefits, Living Wages, retirement possibilities, Safety issues related to the health of workers and the industry 2) Laws are different in Different Countries and Taxes & Accounting Rules are very different 3) Fraud can be a problem in different countries, Child Labor, Slave Labor, extremely harsh work conditions may exist, extremely low wages may exist, no health care may be provided to a work force which can not afford any health care, and the Safety Record may prove the work not only kills people or maims them, but also leads to suicide.

Case #1 Nazi Persecution in World War II is still valid today in many ways related to Individual Rights, but also in that new financial structures were invented, slave labor was used, there were classes of people under this structure, there were privileged people under this structure, there were high tech industries that were held up on a pedestal as well as Inventors & Engineers who were "Heroes". Some things stay the same, Right??

We all agree that Nazis are an important Case in light of Human, Civil & Individual Rights. The Scenario proves the need for Human Rights, Individual Rights, Civil Rights, Privacy & Primacy of people over big Organizations, Anti-Trust Legislation & Enforcement, Minimization of State Intelligence organizations, Minimization of Police Powers, ... and all our law for Just Treatment of Prisoners, Freedom from cruel punishment, speedy trial, an attorney, the freedom to call family and attorneys from Jail or Prison, Freedom from Rendition, Freedom from Kidnaping and Disappearing at the Hands of the Police, Freedom from Torture, and Freedom to health checks, medicine, food, nutrition, and clean water while in US Federal Jails or Military Prisons.

Case #2 US Foreign Policy was to USE US Military Forces in the Caribbean, Central, & South America to Support US Business Interest in what was called the "Banana Wars". Later The Russian Revolution caused a huge policy shift in watching and checking the growth a Communism (which is anti-business, anti-capitalism, and a threat to Western Industry Ownership). Each US President may have had it's own War Doctrine and they are easily found. Clearly the US Fabricated reasons to go to war in Vietnam & Iraq. Behind the Policies is the huge Military-Security-Defense-Intelligence-Prison Industries which enjoy hiring former military and contractors formed by former military officers. Fraud in Defense Industry in the USA is at least as old as Pre-World War II when Truman was sent to clean it up. Today Tank Tanks & Foundations write opinion pieces to drive us into the War on terrorism (It is an Industry, a Network, a Career, and a Political Party).

The Problem is US Foreign Policy Creates Terrorist, Kills Civilians it does not see when it fires weapons, Uses Drones & Assassination, has a Long History of CIA Regime Change Operations, a Long History of CIA Scandals, our Intelligence Organizations are as big as Western European Armies, Entrenched Defense & Security Interest Groups in our Economy, and the $7 Trillion Dollars we spend on Defense in the Last 10 Years.

Anyway the US Foreign Policy is a Dinosaur which can be compared to Sharia Law:

A) We will deal with any Tyrant or Muslim Group as long as they say they will be our Ally and work with us... and as long as they are not Communists or Marxist Socialist (because nationalizing Resources is bad for US Business Interests) B) We will engage in Paramilitary Operations against any nation that no longer goes along with our Interests and who has some strategic or natural resources value C) We will ignore the Geneva Convention, human rights, & Individual Rights in Legal or Military Actions (since we can control the information, the press, the history, and the spin in most if not all cases especially in third world countries) D) We will promote War when it suits us and will say that we are sorry that women, children, and civilians are hurt by our high tech weapons (but we will refuse to count or keep track of civilian deaths, loss of business, losses to foreign economies, and to loss of homes and cultures) E) We will fund, train, provide weapons, and support Tyrants or Terrorists if we see Fit.

Don't you think we should stop going to war 5,000 miles away to use high tech weapons against people that can never mount an army, navy, or air force to attack this Nation?? Don't you think we should stop attacking and holding embargos against people that can never even fire a missile and hit the USA?? Don't you think the US Foreign Policy is the Equivalent of Sharia Law??

Case #3 is Corporate Behavior which can be built around the Fact that originally US Law Protected Individuals from Harm from Business or Commerce. This was the basis of Law besides Common law, Tort law, and many phrases and ideas from Roman Law. Today few Americans even know what Anti-Trust Law is or that it was used to limit the power of big business to dominate with their power and wealth.

1) Savings & Loan Crisis
2) Keating Five & Lincoln Savings & Loan & William K. Black
3) Dot Com Crisis
4) Deregulation & the Increase in Size of Wall Street Investment Banks
5) Sub-Prime Mortgage Crisis, Fraud, Scandal, & DOJ & Regulator Lack of Action, Investigation & Solutions & Remedies
6) 2008 Global Financial Crisis, Loss of Face for US Business, Loss of Reputation for US Financial Organizations
7) The Cover-Up of the Wall Street banks in Deregulation & the Financial Crisis, Owning the Media, Owning the President & Congress, Owning the DOJ & FBI, Owning the Foreign European Governments as well through dependence on Banks & Capitalism for money, Campaign Funds, Networks, Contacts, Career Advancement, ... and it all looks like Duopoly & Crony Capitalism.
8) Best Guess $10 Trillion Dollars was lost to US Individuals in the Financial Crisis ... this should be a scope of magnitude large enough to strip any government official from "Sovereign Immunity"... to be sued or prosecuted for Willful neglect. The only problem is the waters are muddied by all the many managers involved in decisions and that no one is saying here is the main guy in not enforcing the old rules & older Policies. That is why you have to hold the top guy accountable along with his supporters.
9) TBTF is Bigger than Ever. So we still have to Break up all Large Corporations in all Industries, Especially the Media, Stop paying for Media if it is MSM. Read history & law as a defense is my only suggestion.

Nazi Persecution, US Foreign Policy & Corporate Behavior seem to be enough in Case Studies & Education to Strengthen Individual Rights & National Discussions.

Where is the MSM on this?? They are afraid that history sounds like a Conspiracy Theory!!



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[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Fascism Anyone?

Fascism’s principles are wafting in the air today, surreptitiously masquerading as something else, challenging everything we stand for.
By Laurence W. Britt

The cliché that people and nations learn from history is not only overused, but also overestimated; often we fail to learn from history, or draw the wrong conclusions. Sadly, historical amnesia is the norm.


Analysis of seven Fascist Regimes leads to the following trends:

  1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism.

  2. Disdain for the importance of human rights.

  3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause.

  4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism.

  5. Rampant sexism.

    1. A controlled mass media.

    2. Obsession with national security.

    3. Religion and ruling elite tied together.

    4. Power of corporations protected.

  6. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated.

    1. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts.

    2. Obsession with crime and punishment.

    3. Rampant cronyism and corruption.

    4. Fraudulent elections. and as a last resort, turning to a judiciary beholden to the power elite.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

No, I don't think that US foreign policy is comparable to Sharia Law. But, hey, thanks for trying.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33491) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

US foreign policy is comparable to Sharia Law


[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

It's nothing more than a wall of shit from a multiple ID jack off.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Ah You want to play politics to Disrupt any conversation.

You want to make the rules and want everyone to think like you do. Does everyone have to dress, act, talk, laugh like you?? Does everyone have to agree with you.

You like "Yes" men around you. The Big Power of World War II was like that also. This is America, GF. We may be Ruled by a big Cartel or Cabal in the USA, but we were founded on our Differences. We have different Religions. We disagree with each other. This is why we are supposed to have Free Speech and a Free press.

You have issues of Control & a Power Addiction. You were abused. get over it. try to look at Spiritual Ideas and work on your Spiritual Health.

Clearly you can't be happy spiritually with a life where you have to attack people. Of course you could join a mafia or go into main stream politics. Or maybe you could Form a Cult Group. there you go.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

You're a multiple ID piece of shit. Nothing more and nothing less. You spend your time creating repetitive walls of shit. You are a con.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33491) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Middleaged? No no not here.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

Oh, talk to it.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33491) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

As long as the conversation makes sense - I'll talk to most anyone.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

I'm gonna keep on pointing out it's a multiple ID fucknut that kicks out nothing more than walls of shit.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33491) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

SoKay - I don't know the history between you two - so I don't know where it all went wrong. Perhaps I should do more reading?

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

Yep, read all the crap it posts.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33491) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

I finally saw the reference to sharia law. Check out the response I made.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

Saw it. You have to read through his lengthy shit. You come out with some real humdingers. Though much of it doesn't go anywhere and it's repetitive.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33491) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

You come out with some real humdingers.Though much of it doesn't go anywhere and it's repetitive.


[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

Not you. If you read through his shit, you come out with some real humdingers. Tho' much of his writing goes nowhere and is, at best, repetitive.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33491) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (15620) 0 minutes ago

It's an act.

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Perhaps - you generally are right-on - so I guess I need to pay more attention - but so far I don't think I've been burned - but then again I have been pretty fatigued. Hhmmmm.............

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33491) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Middleaged can be quite verbose - but looking at it I generally see where he is going - or seems to be going - though you are correct - some of the things in this post are a little disconcerting - perhaps a miss on intent between thought and typing?

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

It's an act.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Hi. Thanks for reading. I suppose the Victims of both US Foreign Policy & Sharia are Innocent People. And the "Effect" of US Foreign Policy & Sharia is to outrage & inflame Liberals, those with Reason, and those that stand for Humanity. I'm thinking I probably like the Powell Doctrine and wonder where I have listed other US Foreign Policy Doctrines.

1) Examples of US wars or military action without logical threat to US Security A) Korea B) Vietnam C) Gulf war with Iraq D) Iraqi Freedom 2003 E) Afghanistan 2001.

2) Examples of US Covert Actions that stole the right of self- determination from sovereign governments A) Syria 1949 B) Iran 1953 C) Guatemala 1954 D) Cuba 1959 E) Brazil 1964 F) Ghana 1966 G) Iraq 1968 H) Chile 1973 I) Afghanistan 1973-4 J) Iraq 1973-5 K) Argentina 1976 L) Afghanistan 1978-1980s M)Iran 1980

These additional are simply lesser known military actions as part of empire building and looking out for our industrial/trade or strategic interests N) Nicaragua 1980-90 O) El Salvador 1980-92 P) Cambodia 1980-95 Q) Guatemala 1993 R) Mexico 1914 S) Haiti 1915–1934 T) Cuba 1898-1902, 1906–1909, 1912 and 1917–1922 U) Nicaragua 1902-12, 1912 through 1933 V) Dominican Republic 1903, 1904, 1914, 1916-1924 W) Honduras 1903, 1907, 1911, 1912, 1919, 1924 and 1925 X) China 1927 Y) Porto Rico 1898 Z) Panama 1846, 1856, 1903,

Well... Here is another one. Perhaps we could compare US Foreign Policy to Vulture Capitalism as Described by Greg Palast in his Video.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

It's an empire, jack ass.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

I thought you were a supporter of the Military & our Empire. BTW in your opinion does empire always mean a joining of business interests with the government powers? I guess the British Empire was pretty good about getting Trade Established after conquest. The USA doesn't seem so good at it.

I think you just corrected me here. The Spanish, French, Dutch, German, and Portuguese certainly conquered for gold, ... then settled for Trade I guess. I think the Vatican did the same thing to a lesser degree.

It is not that I don't see the US as having an empire. It is more like that no one speaks about the US in those terms. The US is a soft Empire as it doesn't think it has to hold large land masses with military or police force. But Drone Strikes, Bombing, and taking out governments is our hard side. The Soft Side is with the Bankers, IMF, WB, Treaties, Contracts, Business Agreement.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

That's what you get for thinking or fishing.

All wars are fought over the worlds scarce resources. Yes, dear, it is all about business. That little ol' 1215 Magna Carta? Wouldn't have had it had King John been winning. He didn't. There went the Angevin Empire.

But let's go back. Long distance trade routes had been established as far back as 3000 BCE (but discoveries push that back even farther) and there was mega cash to be made. You're making the assumption that conquering occurs first before all trade. That isn't necessarily true. Ownership and laws change to benefit the ruling party or "merchants".

The US wouldn't have installed puppet governments, created client states, or spend that much time *protecting" American interests if they sucked at this game. Further, there wouldn't be this mad dash to recolonize by other nation-states if they weren't interested in reestablishing their empires. There is no nicey-nice empire. The people making the real cash sit on the sidelines far enough away to remain emotionally detached from the damage that is occurring. You don't have to consider the US an empire. You do need to understand that much of the rest of the world does otherwise you wouldn't have such a backlash from people around the world.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

That is the nicest reply you have ever made to me. And you have taught me some thing about the Angevin Empire. I love this stuff. But since I am drunk off my ass I will probably never remember any of this. Se la vie... that is the way life goes.


[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33491) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Don't you think the US Foreign Policy is the Equivalent of Sharia Law??

UMmmmmmm - how to put this -- hmmmmm -- Really? Ummmmm no - the only thing you could compare would be that those at the top use it for their own benefit.

Other then that? No comparison.

Any system of laws or morals or combination can be abused - can be used for tyranny.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Yep. I suppose some people will be offended if I say both systems include a mob mentality or mob component... like Group Think.

An Islamic Cleric whips up a crowd... or some people come to him with their claim... then together they whip up a crowd. They go after the poor schmuck and stone him, cut off his arm, beat him, rape him or her, or maybe the person is taken to jail. (left myself open to any who see positive aspects of Sharia law)

In the US System, Politicians stoke up fears, Control the Narrative, Omit all history, Omit any references to Supporters for the new Solutions, Omit all Financial Interests in new solutions, Omit any reference to Papers Written and Published by Think Tanks, Foundations, Omit all previous financial & material Support to foreign agents,... and a Military Plan is formed or merely revealed to exist. The only thing that was missing prior to the Crisis was the Crisis itself as the impetus for the Solution.

So in the USA our Foreign Policy and Military Actions are formed out of Sight in Private Rooms. The Public Narrative is a Hollywood script or merely a one dimensional image.

Maybe you are correct here again. The complexity of US Politics is so over the top that any comparison to Sharia Law is absurd. But there is a lot in common with Sharia law:

1) Any system of laws or morals or combination can be abused
2) Innocents are Killed, Maimed, or abused
3) Both Systems are Inhumane
4) Both Systems seem to originate from older days under nobility, under conservatives
5) Both are Ideological Systems which value politics or religion over the Individual
6) Both are Human Rights & Individual Rights Abuses
7) Both are Targets of Amnesty International
8) Both are unforgiving and have little in common with modern religion although they may be framed as being consistent with religious values

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33491) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

1) Any system of laws or morals or combination can be abused

1 correct

2 - 8 true of any system that is abused. ( not limited to any system )

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Good Response. But w US Foreign Policy it is Personal. It very close to home. It is our home in that the Mechanism of the US Military & Industrial Complex is "Acting in our Name & in our Behalf".

So maybe you are calling attention to this big problem where the Vatican, the City of London, the City of Washington DC, the City of Moscow, Paris, Berlin.... we all have these old Foreign Policies which are adapted to some degree to play to the public. But in Reality there are officers in the German Military that are just as hard core, conservative, and old world as any in the USA. Is there a European Power that has done "True" House Cleaning" on it's foreign Policy??

Or are we all living in illusions of progressive narratives?? Foreign Policies don't make sense unless you repress Africa, go after the access to foreign resources, empower you big corporations to get access to foreign resources, and that you must look at your nation as an Empire which needs resources to grow... not just engineering, not just technology, not just an educated populous, not just a fair political & government system.... Western Europe powers are Joined through NATO first and now primarily through the EU. But the Relationships were formed through military concerns and financial concerns. Capitalism is the first priority to all of Europe's Economies.

well maybe... I'm just blabbing now. Blah, blah, blah. If the Priority is Economics, ... then the Foreign Policy also must be tied to Economics. When being smart is not enough for the USA or Europe... it will use the Military to secure what it needs to expand into the future.

Well. That is not an original Idea that I ended up on. It seems very main stream to say that. But... where does that leave progressive that want a better future without war? Do you have any ideas here??

In other words if we are to replace the old foreign policy with something else... How do we get there?? What kind of Economic System or Currency System is needed to allow a kind of flexibility or freedom from military action??

MMT, Modern Monetary Theory, is an Economic school of thought that seems to have a part of the answer using a Fiat Currency like the US Dollar. Not sure if some in MMT like the world currency idea. I sort of like the one world currency idea as it simplifies so much... but that is not Fiat. And Fiat has a flexibility when a country can create it's own money.

The idea is that money must flow in the economy in a high enough amount to help all people. Right now we have a sort of trickle of money which has lead to shrinking in manufacturing and lower wages. The population is key. Money should flow in various ways so that everyone can prosper. The problem I see is like in the Great depression, Big Banks. Big banks have no patriotic duty to lend money or spend money. And in a Recession the Government faces pressure from many groups to begin austerity. This destroys wealth and the economy IMHO. So you can't rely on Big Banks.

It almost seems like we need a new or different Institution to fill the needs of the people to combined with government spending programs. But the Debate on Government Spending is Muted. We have Status Quo in the USA. Perhaps we have Status Quo in this OWS Forum. Mostly though we have controlled Presidential Debates since they took this control from the League of Women Voters... and you have No National Debates and No National Referendums.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Knock, Knock, You know what an Opportunist is??

No. What?

A Democrat like Leon Panetta, John Kerry, or Barack Obama pretending that they are Progressives or Liberals... I highly Question Hillary Clinton, and many others as well. But basically they just get the big money, more power, a career, a life in politics, and ... Entrance to a big wide network of connections that will help their career.



“We’ve killed 4,700,” the Council for Foreign Relations says Sen. Graham told the crowd. “Sometimes you hit innocent people, and I hate that, but we’re at war, and we’ve taken out some very senior members of Al-Qaeda.”

The USA is an Anti-Intellectual Nation. Just ask GirlFriday.

The Thrust of Conservative & Liberals alike in Washington DC is to prevent the discussion of our US History in Public, on Public Venues, in Public Media, and a prohibition of US History in K-12 Education Systems.

Did you not hear that Christopher Columbus Enslaved the whole population of the Dominican Republic??? Then the Spanish Rulers caused the death of the entire population within 5 years? Worked them to Death. Christopher Columbus was a Slaver. Is this the National Hero??

But John Kerry was a Whistleblower in the Vietnam War, Right?? Wrong John Kerry appears to be the Stereotype of a Political Opportunist that positioned himself for a career based on government service or military service (on Purpose because he came from Privilege). Today, John Kerry is a War Monger, He sits in an important and influential postion as Director of the State Department. And his words defend the USA as you would expect. But the USA is an aggressor nation. How could an OWS Protestor serve as the Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, or National Security Advisor without... Consenting to go along with the US Military Industrial Complex, agreeing to participate in war activities, making concessions to "come aboard" on military policies... and participate in the huge defense, intelligence, and security budget proposals.

In essence I think most people are dumb. I think most people won't understand the importance of what I just wrote. All major players in the US Departments & in Congress are Enlisted into participating in policies that they never knew anything about before. If they participate and agree to be a player for either big party... they may be able to keep their position and move up to important powerful positions in financial oversight, military oversight, the ways and means committee, and Intelligence Oversight Committees.

This means you are indoctrinated and enlisted as a new government appointee or elected official.

God Help us.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Reposting here as it seems consistent with Nazi Logic or Ideology.

Drones cause 10 times more civilian deaths than manned planes. July 02, 2013 http://rt.com/usa/drones-death-casualties-civilian-558/

I think I was going to post this as a sort of Operation Gladio or Operations Northwoods kind of scandal. I lost the train of thought.

Speaking to The Guardian’s Spencer Ackerman, Larry Lewis of the Center for Naval Analyses claimed United States-led drone strikes in Afghanistan are not only more likely to cause civilian casualties than traditionally piloted planes, but the impact of UAVs is 10-fold what would be found by using more antiquated air ships.

Lewis has conducted multiple studies on the use of drones in Afghanistan and made his recent determination after reviewing data pertaining to air strikes that occurred there between mid-2010 and mid-2011, Ackerman reported.

“Lewis told the Guardian he found that the missile strikes conducted by remotely piloted aircraft, commonly known as drones, were 10 times more deadly to Afghan civilians than those performed by fighter jets,” Ackerman wrote.

Center for Naval Analyses is a not-for-profit organization that serves the public's interests by providing in-depth research and solutions-oriented analyses to help decision makers choose the best course of action in setting policy and managing operations. CNA is not an acronym. It represents the parent organization of the CNA Institute for Public Research, a not-for-profit research and analysis organizations serving all levels of government, and the CNA Center for Naval Analyses, the federally funded research and development center (FFRDC) for the United States Navy and Marine Corps. It also provides research and analysis services to other military and government agencies to help improve the efficiency and effectiveness of U.S. national defense efforts.


[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Jay Nixon Vetos Sharia Law in Missouri. Can someone explain this one? I wonder if this Bill was a kind of Strategy for Senator Brian Nieves, R-Washington.


[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33491) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

The bill would make it illegal for Missouri to enforce any foreign law or legal decision deemed “repugnant or inconsistent” with Missouri or U.S. law.

Sounds asinine - of course foreign law does not supersede USA law state or federal.

Except perhaps as stipulated in the TPP agreement - which could be deemed unconstitutional ( or null and void ) if it tries to make the USA subject to foreign law ( inside of the USA borders ).

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

In 1897 Ways and Means chairman Dingley introduced a new tariff bill (later called the Dingley Act) to revise the Wilson–Gorman Tariff Act of 1894.[173] McKinley supported the bill, which increased tariffs on wool, sugar, and luxury goods, but the proposed new rates alarmed the French, who exported many luxury items to the United States.[173]


See above Case #3 which applies to the US Global Trade Policy and Corporate Behavior. Many people would question whether we need Tariff Policy to help bring back 20-30 Million Jobs in the USA ... or whether "Free Global Trade" is helping citizens (who are out of work & who have lower wages & compensation today) Or does this mostly help Corporations & Businesses with lower labor rates and cheaper materials.

See the NAFTA & CAFTA Debates & Presidential Debates with Ross Perot's "Giant Sucking Sound".


So American's have a Choice on tariffs or Free Trade. The Tariff Issue was real 100 years ago for William McKinley (who ended up Assassinated BTW). Tariffs protect jobs from either cheap goods or higher quality goods from overseas (in Theory). Normally there seems to be a few US Tariffs still in existence even when we all think there is Free Trade.

But there is little if any Auditing of the Health, Welfare, Safety, or Security of Cheap Labor Forces Overseas You would think if congress was filled with nice guys they would set up a system to monitor, track, catch, detect, enforce, sanction or punish companies involved in Slave Labor, Child Labor, Abuse of Labor, Unsafe Work Conditions, and products produced at wages where workers can't afford health care or are living below the wage rate required for a living wage.

After all Congress is supposed to be filled with nice guys looking out for our best interest & our Jobs. If we lose jobs to abusive labor practices and people without health care options or health care plans.... that is clearly not looking out for our best interest.

And if it costs money for those countries to monitor and enforce labor laws and honest labor practices... then the cost of goods probably should be higher to reflect a humane approach to taking care of these workers overseas.

Would this have to be in a US Treaty or be in International law to make it work?? I don't know. you would think the UN would already be involved in this. And shouldn't the IMF & WB be "forced" to monitor this and insure compliance???

This would be a good question for Karen Hudes who works for the World Bank & John Perkins who has been outspoken on these issues.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33491) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Nazi Persecution, US Foreign Policy & Corporate Behavior seem to be enough to Strengthen Individual Rights

Title a little - Off?

seem to be enough to Strengthen Individual Rights

Perhaps you meant to say Something like:

should make one ( or - the Public ) want to strengthen Individual rights.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Reference to Anti-Trust law: Standard Oil & Bell telephone were Broken up using Anti-Trust Law. But the Corporations learned this Lesson very well. Originally Teddy Roosevelt was the force behind Anti-Trust law. Teddy went after Wall Street banks before we had the Federal Reserve Act which passed in 1913. Later the US Congress had to create a whole new agency to go after Anti-Trust Monopolies in the USA. This was the Job of the FTC. Later the job of policing banking was taken from the FTC (an obvious cause of the 2008 Financial Crisis in small part, and an Obvious Strategy to reduce the power of the FTC).

PBS also has a 4 hour episode, Money Power and Wall-Street, on Frontline series about us having "Three Years since the world was on the brink of collapse and we haven't had any changes to our banking and financial systems". So "We will see another crisis".


•On top of the Oil Monopoly (which was broken up), Bell telephone Monopoly (which was broken up), the Savings & Loan Crisis (which we prosecuted 1000 Bankers through a team of over 1000 federal investigators), and now the 2008 Financial Crisis which is 70 times as bad as S & L Scandal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Oil (Broken up in 1911)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_System (Broken up in 1984)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Trade_Commission (Bill Written in 1912-1913)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competition_law (Anti-Trust Law, The history of competition law reaches back to the Roman Empire)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Act (Act of 1890, It was the first federal statute to limit cartels and monopolies)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clayton_Act (The Clayton Antitrust Act of 1914, seeking to prevent anticompetitive practices in their incipiency)

The Clayton Act made both substantive and procedural modifications to federal antitrust law. Substantively, the act seeks to capture anticompetitive practices in their incipiency by prohibiting particular types of conduct, not deemed in the best interest of a competitive market. There are 4 sections of the bill that proposed substantive changes in the antitrust laws by way of supplementing the Sherman Act of 1890. In those sections, the Act thoroughly discusses the following four principles of economic trade and business:

price discrimination between different purchasers if such a discrimination substantially lessens competition or tends to create a monopoly in any line of commerce (Act Section 2, codified at 15 U.S.C. § 13;
• sales on the condition that (A) the buyer or lessee not deal with the competitors of the seller or lessor ("exclusive dealings") or (B) the buyer also purchase another different product ("tying") but only when these acts substantially lessen competition (Act Section 3, codified at 15 U.S.C. § 14);
mergers and acquisitions where the effect may substantially lessen competition (Act Section 7, codified at 15 U.S.C. § 18) or where the voting securities and assets threshold is met (Act Section 7a, codified at 15 U.S.C. § 18a);
any person from being a director of two or more competing corporations, if those corporations would violate the anti-trust criteria by merging (Act Section 8; codified at 15 U.S.C. § 19).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teddy_Roosevelt (President of the USA September 14, 1901 – March 4, 1909, One of his first notable acts as president was to deliver a 20,000-word address to Congress[63] asking it to curb the power of large corporations (called "trusts"). For his aggressive attacks on trusts over his two terms, he has been called a "trust-buster.")


The two largest and most influential systems of competition regulation are United States antitrust law and European Union competition law. National and regional competition authorities across the world have formed international support and enforcement networks.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Corrupted Politicians is not new:

Lou Blonger (May 13, 1849 – April 20, 1924), born Louis Herbert Belonger. His "Million-Dollar Bunco Ring" was brought to justice in a famous trial in 1923.

Blonger had longstanding ties to numerous Denver politicians and law enforcement officials, including the mayor and the chief of police. In 1922, however, District Attorney Philip S. Van Cise bypassed the Denver police and used his own force, funded by donations solicited in secret from local citizens, to arrest 33 con men, including Blonger, and bring the ring to justice.



Kenneth Lay (1942-2006):

Bernard Madoff (1938):

Pretty much no Information about CEOs, Executives, Treasury Officials, Federal Reserve Chairmen, or even Banking Executives....listed as Conmen. It is all below listed as Accounting Fraud/Accounting Scandals.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Petters (Fingerhut)

The savings and loan crisis of the 1980s and 1990s (commonly dubbed the S&L crisis) was the failure of about 747 out of the 3,234 savings and loan associations in the United States.


Jim Wright

On June 9, 1988 the House Committee on Standards of Official Conduct adopted a six-count preliminary inquiry resolution representing a determination by the committee that in 69 instances there was reason to believe that Rep. Jim Wright (D-TX) violated House rules on conduct becoming a Representative.[20] A report by special counsel implicated him in a number of influence peddling charges, such as Vernon Savings and Loan, and attempting to get William K. Black fired from deputy director of the Federal Savings and Loan Insurance Corporation (FSLIC) under Gray, and Rep. Wright resigned May 31, 1989 after being found guilty by the House Ethics Committee.[21]

Keating Five

On November 17, 1989 the Senate Ethics Committee investigation began of the Keating Five, Alan Cranston (D-CA), Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ), John Glenn (D-OH), John McCain (R-AZ), and Donald W. Riegle, Jr. (D-MI), who were accused of improperly intervening in 1987 on behalf of Charles H. Keating, Jr., chairman of the Lincoln Savings and Loan Association.



Scandals are often only the 'tip of the iceberg'. They represent the visible catastrophic failures. Note that much abuse can be completely legal or quasi legal.