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Forum Post: Nation in Crisis, Decisions to Make: Time to Get Real... Involved!

Posted 2 years ago on Oct. 1, 2012, 8:10 a.m. EST by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR
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It's democracy stupid! You know how to democracy don't you? You put your registration and your knowledge together... and Vote. Participation mandatory.

It's politics stupid! It's dirty, mean and confusing. It's full of exceptions, contradictions and lies. It's also flagrantly manipulated by Big$ and made worse thanks to Citizens United and the politicians who promoted it. We have only two viable parties: Republicans and Democrats. Rs favor the private sector, Big$, 1%, exclusivity and the conservative, religious right wing. Ds favor the public sector, Labor, 99%, inclusivity and the liberal, progressive left wing. Third parties won't be viable until laws are changed to stop excluding them and start including them.

It's the electorate stupid! The vast majority of our electorate favors the views and policies of the Ds, employment, health care, education, environment, infrastructure, social services, justice, civic and national pride and defense. But among democracies, we have the lowest voter turnout and the greatest Big$ turnout. Because Rs have a reliable nonfluctuating base, when voters are discouraged, Rs often get elected. So Big$ ends up the primary "electorate and constituency" by default.

It's the media stupid! The 1% owns the media and encourages a pro-R bias, unfortunately the facts have a liberal bias. To counter this, Rs developed their own news media network, Fox News, to broadcast reliable pro-R propaganda. Rs also monopolize radio with 24/7/365/every city RW propaganda, with Rush, Boortz, Savage, etc. And because democracy depends on an informed electorate, we end up with a largely low information, highly propagandized electorate. But there are a plethora of good sources of information if people take the time to seek them out, and many people do.

Your R-vote is for: science deniers, privatization, the second amendment, deregulation, environmental exploitation, voter suppression, anti-democracy, above the law-Big$-1%, exclusion, theocracy, offshoring, regress, taking America hostage...

Your D-vote is for: science, public services, We the People and the whole constitution, regulation, environmental protection, voter expansion, democracy, law enforcement - justice for all, 99%, inclusion, secular government, made in America, progress, American allegiance...

Your Third Party- or non-vote is for: Rs

The choice is yours: WTFU, make it and participate. With 80-90% voter turnout, the people of Iceland threw their Banksters in prison!

Elizabeth Warren: "The middle class has been chipped at, squeezed, and hammered over the past generation.

"I'm running for Senate because Washington is rigged for the big guys who can hire an army of lobbyists, not for families and small businesses. I want Congress to work for working people, not just those with deep pockets. I know we can do better -- especially if we elect more strong progressives from around the country, like my friends Chris Murphy in Connecticut and Tammy Baldwin in Wisconsin.

"I promise to keep fighting to level the playing field for hardworking American families when I'm in the Senate, and I know Chris and Tammy will, too.

"But there's a lot more at stake than that.

"That's because a vote for our opponents isn't just a vote against us; it's a vote to put a corporate lobbyist's dream team of Republicans in charge of the Senate. It's a vote to put Senator Jim Inhofe, who has said climate change is "the greatest hoax," in charge of the Environment and Public Works Committee.

"Reporters and pundits will look at viable campaign reports to write their stories and set the narrative about whether we have what it takes to win. We need to show the country that in this election, Democrats are united and ready to go out and win.

"There is a real choice in this election -- and the choice just keeps getting clearer. It's a choice between those who say, 'I've got mine, and the rest of you are on your own,' and those who believe 'We're all in this together.'

"Thank you for being in this with me,"

Elizabeth Warren

"P.S. Thanks so much to Russ Feingold, Progressives United, and all of you for supporting Tammy, Chris, and me in this election. We couldn't do it without your support!"

http://pac.progressivesunited.org/

Get more info at www.wtfu2012.com

Here's a handy guide to wake the fuck up: http://www.randirhodes.com/pages/rrnews.html?feed=393046&article=10394961

http://omg.yahoo.com/blogs/now/yahoo-exclusive-see-samuel-l-jackson-pro-obama-120110618.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypRW5qoraTw

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[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Your D vote is also for privatization. Do not forget this.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Can't you even support Elizabeth Warren?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

I do support Elizabeth Warren. What are you going on about now?

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Reiteration.

You ignored the above, and focused on your D prob.

She's a Democrat!

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

I didn't ignore anything. I told you, flat out, that the argument is shit. I told you that you left yourself wide open. Then I gave you a choice.

Now, you are just bored.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

and busted

[-] 0 points by marvelpym (-184) 2 years ago

How anyone can support that hypocrite Warren is beyond me.

http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/hypocrisy-thy-name-is-elizabeth-warren1/

"Elizabeth Warren has been on the campaign trail for months, demonizing the wealthy and castigating top income earners. For the last few weeks, Warren has lectured others about their moral responsibility to pay higher taxes. Yet, when she has the opportunity to (voluntarily) pay higher taxes, what does she do? Elizabeth Warren finally confirmed today, April 20, that she did not pay the higher 5.85 percent rate on her state tax form, a legal option available for Massachusetts taxpayers who believe they should pay more. Just so you know, Warren earned over $716,000 in 2011, and has a net worth of over $14 million. So she could, if she wanted to, afford the higher tax rate. But that is an assumption on my part, since I have never made close to $716,000, nor has my net worth been anywhere close to $14 million."

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Perfection exists only in myths, lies and delusion.

Less of a bad thing is better than more, especially when we are comparing teaspoons to dump trucks.

Our voter apathy/negligence only makes privatization and other Big$ desires much more feasible. That's why they spend all that CU money to discourage and trump our feeble turnout.

And even Noam Chomsky says it's better to vote for Obama than let the Cons in again. But how didn't 2010 teach you that painful lesson?

Courts Block GOP Voter Suppression Laws | Video

Pa. Judge Rules Strict Voter ID Law Will Go Into Effect Year After Election

SUMMARY

A Pennsylvania judge blocked a law that will require voters to show government ID at the polls from taking effect until after the 2012 elections. Ray Suarez asks Republican Pa. state representative Daryl Metcalfe and Judith Browne-Dianis of Advancement Project if the law addresses voter fraud or merely disenfranchises voters.

Take a good look at Republican Pa. state representative Daryl Metcalfe as he argues for voter suppression:

VIDEO: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec12/voting_10-02.html

http://www.gottavote.org/en/?choose-state=true

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

I know what the Right's tactics are. You give me #2 and then you give me Your R-vote is for. You have just provided the ammunition for the lesser of the two evils argument.

I am not a child. It would be a mistake to assume that others are as well. The longer that many of these issues (privatization) are denied then the less of an argument that is available. You need look no further than the education policy

A decision needs to be made. If the name of the game is to go to war with Carl Rove's paid for clowns, do it. If the name of the game is to have conversations with (not at) the public, then do it.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

"You give me #2 and then you give me Your R-vote is for. You have just provided the ammunition for the lesser of the two evils argument."

This first sentence loses me. The second is one of my favs: Natural progression, evolution, is a series of lesser evils (which is supposed to be the big boogieman of political discourse ~ bullshit!). If the LOTE theory was practiced on all pols from President Washington on, by Van Buren our pols would be near perfect, and by now they could float at will. Think, don't follow. But Chomsky really did recommend Obama.

If you know the Right's tactics, which are the 1%'s tactics, then you know they spend all this money on elections for a good reason. Don't make it pay off for them. We go back into the dark ages if Cons take over again. Millions of newbies pouted in 2010 and let a wave of teabags invade state and federal governments (setting us back at least a decade), and now they blame Obama for gridlock and obstruction. For that I'm ready to vote for retroactive abortion.

Here's THE decision:

http://www.randirhodes.com/pages/rrnews.html?feed=393046&article=10452298

http://www.randirhodes.com/pages/rrnews.html?feed=393046&article=10448683

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Fuck the newbies.

How many Democrats have accepted money from the American Federation for Children?

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Privatized education, privatized everything is R platform.

I don't know how much AFFC donates. I heard WS gave Obama money, too. Big$ hedges bets.

And what does that money buy? Votes! We don't show up so Big$ does. Pols can't just give up just because we do.

But this does not mean parity. "I got mine, you're on your own," Romney OR "we're all in this together," Obama. This might help you decide: http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/undecided-voter/1418227

"To prefer evil to good is not in human nature; and when a man is compelled to choose one of two evils, no one will choose the greater when he might have the less."-Plato

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Oh, it's you.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Who, to hoo, to hoo too?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Knock it off. I'm chatting with someone.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Must be dial up

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Nope.

We are done here. You aren't using me to bump up your post.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

WTFU

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

STFU

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

That's hardly rude at all.

What happened to you?

You're starting to get it, hah?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

You're transparent. Nobody leaves that big of a gaping hole in their argument unless it is intentional.

It must be you.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Who?????

There is no argument for me to win.

I come to enlighten.

Because I have two beautiful kids out there and I don't want stupidity to return us back to R dark ages!

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[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

lol. Apparantly, there seems to be so much time devoted to cuddling/coddling them.

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[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Mine either.

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[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Me too. Usually, they leave it up long enough for me to see.

I will probably receive an email with some idiotic crap within the next day or so.

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[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Let's hope the folding goes faster than the Carey Grant like death.

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[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

But, not fast enough.

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[-] 1 points by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

LIST: Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments You've been asking for a list of what the President has accomplished for some time - so here it is.

Read more: http://www.randirhodes.com/pages/rrnews.html?feed=393046&article=9880240#ixzz28n7N8m8n

http://www.randirhodes.com/pages/rrnews.html?feed=393046&article=9880240

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[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6468) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Thanks for putting up the Sliverman one I had been looking for it, there is another one too but I'm not sure who did it and haven't been able to find it.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Here's another good one:

Take a good look at Republican Pa. state representative Daryl Metcalfe as he argues for voter suppression:

VIDEO: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec12/voting_10-02.html

We need more honest humanitarians like him in government.

Get People REGISTERED and get out the VOTE!!

http://www.gottavote.org/en/?choose-state=true

or

http://www.rockthevote.com/rtv_voter_registration.html?source=rtv.com-homegraphic

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6468) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

It will be interesting to see how McNeil does tonight, I've watching him since he was with Lear, that was a great team.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

How about "News Hour" instead of Happy Hour? I did that.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6468) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

The best bars did both...

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

I thought I was the only dope to do that! Except I just had NH.

http://www.gottavote.org/en/?choose-state=true

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Probably won't find it on NPR.

Try these: http://thinkprogress.org/ | http://crooksandliars.com/

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

"The penalty good men suffer for not getting involved in public affairs is being ruled by evil men." -- Plato

[-] 0 points by TheTrollSlayer (347) from Kingsport, TN 2 years ago

You are a blind democrat i see and no i dont support the republicans, i think they are abominable. To me, the democrats look like, here we go again, the lesser of two ills but definitely an ill indeed.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Oh well. You seem to be just blind.

"To prefer evil to good is not in human nature; and when a man is compelled to choose one of two evils, no one will choose the greater when he might have the less."-Plato

[-] -1 points by Conservative1992 (-1) 2 years ago

The left is destroying this country...open your eyes! The Republicans are not anti-democracy. They are for less government, unlike our communist liberals in Washington who want big government controlling everything. Ronald Reagan had it perfectly: "Man is not free unless government is limited." If you want this country to do better, the answer is voting for Romney, not Obama, who has nothing on his record to deserve another election. And your "media bias" you mention is not conservative biased-it's quite liberal. Ever heard of MSNBC? No one wants to dig into Obama's "transcripts" or his Fast and Furious scandal, in which people died because of him, but we want tax records from Romney. LOL.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

That is awesome! I didn't know that! Could you elaborate and provide some links.

"Every GOP administration since 1952 has let the Military-Industrial Complex loot the Treasury and plunge the nation into debt on the excuse of a wartime economic emergency. Richard Nixon comes quickly to mind, along with Ronald Reagan and his ridiculous 'trickle-down' theory of U.S. economic policy. If the Rich get Richer, the theory goes, before long their pots will overflow and somehow 'trickle down' to the poor, who would rather eat scraps off the Bush family plates than eat nothing at all. Republicans have never approved of democracy, and they never will. It goes back to preindustrial America, when only white male property owners could vote." -Hunter S. Thompson

[-] -1 points by CitizenofAmerika (-71) 2 years ago

Sigh.........

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

You want something to sigh about, check this thing out. I like almost all of the wonder quotes and comments, but I'm afraid it's a tin foil hoax to incite the impossible and end in failure. Hope I'm wrong.

What do you think: http://www.slideshare.net/kynize/we-the-sheeple-vs-the-banksters-14113946

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Looks like the establishment is increasing its propaganda...

All your candidates, including Warren, the lifetime Republican, are already bought out, the system is bought out, and if Warren doesnt fall in line she will be marred in a sex scandal or something and cast out.

Stop promoting this corrupted crap.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Stop promoting hopelessness and failure! Stop parroting RW squawking points!

BIG$ IS THE PROBLEM, NOT THE MESSIAH!

We need to learn from Iceland: Where the People, not Big$, call the shots, with an 80-90% Voter turnout!!! WTFU!

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

80-90% voting for Dems will not change a thing.

Iceland understood what is going on. They didnt just go about their business and then troll to the polls. They are an example of an intelligent, informed and engaged public.

How much campaigning have you done? If only a little bit, you will see that its pulling arms to get people to volunteer, and the number one explanation of a NO will be that they are all corrupted, the system is busted, etc.

ITs up to the people who ARE politically active to get these decent other options/people/parties into the spotlight. Its just how it is.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

An 80-90% Voter turnout would change everything in this country. No one said it had to be for Ds. But it would get us all the social programs, laws and reforms (third parties, marriage equality, money out of politics, etc) we want, as well as pols who work for us, not Big$.

Glad you see you appreciate the greatness of what Iceland did with all that active democracy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLuzeXqMeJg&feature=em-subs_digest-newavtr-vrecs

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Right, so if you are politically active, make sure you are promoting new and alternative options, as I am, to the 50% that dont vote so that they will be enticed to come out and help.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Thanks for reminding me.

[-] -2 points by podman73 (-652) 2 years ago

Lol your vote D will save us all rotfl........dems will save you from yourself and protect you from the big bad reps. Lol rose colored glasses must be nice.

[-] 2 points by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

My bad, Big$-1% owned Rs will save us all with privatized everything, right-to-work for nothing wage slavery, more bogus wars for Big Fossil and Big Arms, WS casino capitalism, and ever more redistribution of wealth to Big$-1%. It's perfect! Don't Stop Believing!

[-] -2 points by podman73 (-652) 2 years ago

Who will protect us from the dem 1%?

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

We've been raped by the Rs and friends enough, let's try something D.

[-] -2 points by podman73 (-652) 2 years ago

Umm no I'm tired of bein raped period, you want to d rape us for while? How about no one doing it ? It says a lot that you are ok with d rape but not r you shouldn't be ok with either!!

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Like you hear a lot.

[-] -2 points by podman73 (-652) 2 years ago

Even a def man could hear what you said.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

You don't think anyone is actually listening, do you? I don't.

http://www.gottavote.org/en/?choose-state=true

[-] -2 points by yobstreet (-575) 2 years ago

Your D-vote is for: science [no one else has a brain], We the People [who agree with us] and the whole constitution [unless we want it changed], regulation [behavioral micromanagement], environmental protection [no light, no heat, no transportation], voter expansion [minorities over majorities] democracy [without a state check], law enforcement [which legitimizes crime] - justice for all [cash redistribution], 99% [of the 3% who are "liberal"], inclusion [of those who agree, death to all others], secular government [which knows no humility], made in America [as long as it serves Wall Street], progress [which we interpret as regress], American allegiance [divided we stand]...

Excellent post - finally someone who gets it.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6468) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

voter expansion is minorities over majorities?

man it must suck to be so scared....

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

You should run with that, you can't possibly lose.

[-] 0 points by yobstreet (-575) 2 years ago

I know, I know... I've been asked so many times. But I'm no politician.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1634) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Too, too modest