Forum Post: My personal goals of OWS
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 21, 2011, 1:14 p.m. EST by cubedemon
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Some have admitted my questions are unsanswerable. If I am to be responsible, be accountable and learn from my mistakes I would have to
a. know what my mistakes were b. know why they were wrong and mistakes and know why my thought process was wrong c. know what correct moves I was supposed to make, why they were correct, what the correct moves are today and why they are the correct moves.
The only way I can be accountable and responsible is for others to read through my autobiography if I write one and they comment in a very thourough and intricate manner including the one percentagers. It would be very concrete and literal.
After that, I am taught the correct way I ought to go and my questions are answered in a way I can understand which my parents could not do because of my neurology and what was known of my neurology when I was a child.
I will say this to those who push their hackneyed and nonsensical phrases down my throat which tell me nothing. You push an animal into a corner and he will fight back.
Do you have a form of aspergers? I know it is a tough differability with a lot of stigma, I am just curious.
Yes, I do have aspergers. It is my disability which is what I have been trying to tell others but alas they do not listen. I do not know why they do not.
Because they lack information, and our education system is designed to suppress the natural learning of empathic learners, and ignore the natural learning of linguistic learners like you.
As a result new information is very challenging for many to take in and integrate into their body of larger knowledge and reflect upon it to generate better understanding.
I don't believe you do have a disability, I believe you have a differability. What I mean by that is that our education system is modeled after the prusian military system and the factory system. This means we are educated to mistrust each other and seek external reward or "merit" and that we are educated to conform, much like cars are supposed to come off the assembly line all alike.
However we know for a fact that human beings are social animals and that social animals tend to have individuals with diverse behavior and learning styles. This is a very rational thing to do! After all does it not make sense to have a complex problem be divided up and each part given to those who are best suited to solve it? You with your mind is necessary to human survival. Our education system is our culture, and our culture is being homogenized, which means the that any one who does not have the expected behavior/learning style is excluded, aggressed against, or invisible. Those who have been raised up in the system and not taught to question it believe you have a problem!
You have no problem! The system of homogeny is inefficient and problematic.
Tell me as a person with Aspergers which of pattern of characteristics do you exhibit?
"Tell me as a person with Aspergers which of pattern of characteristics do you exhibit?"
What do you mean by an empathic learner and a linguistic learner?
Why do most people on here come across as vague, nebulous and ambigious when giving their advice to me?
Why am I cursed at for asking some of my questions?
3"Why am I cursed at for asking some of my questions?"
Fear and people on the internet fail to consider you as a human being with feelings and worthy of respect.
2"Why do most people on here come across as vague, nebulous and ambigious when giving their advice to me?" I have no advice for you, I do not know what it is like to be in your shoes, my brother has Aspergers though he does a really good job of being social. When people want to help, but can't understand your perspective, the best they can do is offer generalizations. Further more when people do not think in the same ordered logical way that you do, they expect implication to be absorbed from their speech that you are not capable of gathering because you are a very literal person.
1"What do you mean by an empathic learner and a linguistic learner?" Their are a lot of different types of learning within the context of empathic and linguistic learning. One of the things that makes human beings special is that we have a really high quantity of Mirror Neurons. Mirror Neurons are fascinating, essentially what happens is that when one observes another going through a behavior, like learning to tie ones shoes, ones body actually sends the same signals through the body as when they themselves learned to tie their shoes. When one observes another's pain, they feel it themselves, not metaphorically, the same signals are actually sent through their body. Of course feeling these things in full would be maddening and so our bodies have inhibitors that keep us from being complete messes.
Another thing that makes humans unique is that we are capable of very complex pattern recognition and the utilization of that pattern. To simplify, we are capable of language. Language doesn't have to just mean spoken language. Machines have language called programing, artists have language called signs/symbols/signifiers. A lot of our earliest language is strictly a single sensual experience with out a verbal label. In otherwords when you where a pre-verbal child you never thought "mom" but the symbol that the word "mom" would later apply too already existed.
As somebody with Aspergers it is very likely that you gain knowledge faster and better through patterns (linguistic learning) than through being able to just watch somebody do something and intuit how to do it yourself.
-- If everybody has both empathic and linguistic learning, how can I say they are suppressed and ignored? most people have a combination of the two and are not particularly strong in either. For example I am really good at keeping in mind a complex set if signs and signafiers and their meaning, I am also very good at reading the emotions of those around me. Unlike you I find being logical and literal very challenging! Unlike me you find reading between the lines and understanding the deeper meanings of social interactions very challenging.
Good post.
However, I would add that it's likely that he's being given the cold shoulder online because people might be confusing him with a troll. As you say, he has a differability (nice neologism ;) and I think it would help if he made that clear when posting. This way, I think readers would be more open and understanding.
I agree, through even with such a disclosure, as somebody with aspergers his need for things to be logically ordered might be read as aggressive challenging (which it is, but in a healthy non-malicious way).
Are you a psychotherapist? What can we do to ease the communication, and should he be required to do an effort to meet us half-way? I find Aspergers quite interesting and would like to know what is the best way to create a fruitful discussion with a person that has this, dare I say, ability.
No, I am not a psychotherapist, rather I am an artist. I just am fascinated by brains, and love to keep up on the literature when I can find time outside of my practice.
I'm am fascinated by brains as well. I would love to meet everyone half way. How to do that is the question. I will attempt to start. I will assume I am always wrong on something unless they acknowledge I am correct. I will try not to write as much. That will be difficult for me.
"I will assume I am always wrong on something unless they acknowledge I am correct."
This is inefficient. It is okay to be challenging. I personally think you have a lot to offer, I have lurked your posts before, you are doing good! People learn from you, even if that is not your intention.
What kind of artist? I am a classical musician.
I am a printmaker
http://printtzvi.com
(shameless self promotion).
Absolutely gorgeous. Honestly. The "Everything is Still Growing" series reminds me of Japanese traditional art, and I see some Kandinsky in the colored ones. But, you definitely have your own voice coming through. Really powerful and mature work. I like your attention to detail. Very rich.
Thank you, I am in grad school now, and hopefully moving up to some new levels in my work.
You are very kind.
Is their a place to listen to your music?
Unfortunately, not really. I have recordings of my compositions, but the playing is not great so I never put them online. It's mostly older stuff from when I was in university. At the moment, I'm in Bali and playing Gender Wayang mostly during ceremonies. We don't really record much. We should. It's definitely on my list of things to do.
Are you a philosophy student or a lawyer in training?
Neither, I have no knowledge of law or philosophy.
That was obvious. I think Audit's question was rhetorical. ;-)
What was audit's point? I do not understand. I do not understand rehetorical questions that well.
His point is that your post is overly complex and makes no sense. He compared you to a philosopher or a lawyer to illustrate the aspect of complexity, then asked if you were in training to hint that your post makes no sense.
I do not understand. How was I supposed to be able to fundamentally pick this implication up from his rethorical question? What are the detailed and intricate step-by-step algorithm that you took from this question he asked to your interpretation of his question?
Why didn't he just say my post was overly complex and made no sense? Why does he and others consider my post overly complex and make no sense? Again, I logically do not understand.
When others say things in their way I literally do not understand them whatsoever.
Gotta love it.
I do not understand your response.
Yes, but it seems our friend has a type of Aspergers so, although we can't be asked to understand, we must be understanding.
That seems to be the case. I wish him well.
Here is the breakdown of the algorithm I used:
Rhetorical questions are more subtle than blank statements. They add a touch of humor.
Because they are complex and make no sense.
In my mind, it wasn't complex and made sense to me. I could be using the complex speech in a not so typical way. I will give you my metaphor. Think of a jar of jelly beans and I do not know which jelly beans I am allowed to have and not have.
I asked "Why does he and others consider my post overly complex and make no sense?"
You answered "Because they are complex and make no sense."
I do not logically understand how the answer to my question is the question itself. I'm baffled and perplexed.
I am not sure how to answer you. Your thought process is entirely different than mine. If you are confused about my words, I am just as confused about yours. You were not able to understand Audit's rhetorical question, and, in the same way, I am not able to understand your post.
I don't believe there is a correct way.