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Forum Post: “MY” gun control law

Posted 1 year ago on Dec. 15, 2012, 7:59 a.m. EST by bensdad (8977)
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WE will be most successful setting an agenda that solves the problem without making our VERY POWERFUL opponents feel trampled.
As yoiu read this & consider the issue keep in mind, our opponent is NOT the nra or alec or the gun nuts.
Our opponent is gun company PROFITS

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[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

“MY” gun control law

my concept is SIMPLY based on drawing a parallel between cars & guns.

If you want to argue that we don’t have a constitutional right to own a car – and we have a right to bear arms, frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn.
You do not have a legal right to bear a tank or bazooka or automatic machine gun.

consider these two cases

1 you leave your locked car parked on the street – some one steals it, hot wires it and uses it to murder someone – are YOU legally responsible ?
2 you leave your unlocked car parked on the street – with keys in the ignition – some one steals it, and uses it to murder someone – are YOU legally responsible for your negligence?


Here is my proposal for a NATIONAL gun law:

All procedure fees will be priced to be very profitable
All present guns and owners will be covered by these laws
.......................................................and - no - this plan will not SOLVE all gun problems


►1 all gun owners must be licensed and tested with all guns that they own and pass a written test ( like a driver's test ) to guarantee the owner's understanding of gun laws

if you own a motor cycle, a dump truck, and a car – you are tested in each being forced to know the law - via the test - means the police know who you are - and you may be less likely to commit a crime

►2 every year, you must prove that you have gun liability insurance & be background checked and prove that your gun is properly locked when not used .

insurance should be at least as high as car insurance [ I would like $1,000,000 ]
you must prove your car insurance
annual back ground check to verify your suitability to own guns
every gun must be locked in a gun case or have a trigger lock

►3 as the owner of a gun, you are legally responsible for what is done with it.

the owner will be much less likely to leave a gun accessible to a family member or thief

►4 every gun must be registered and tested - and sample fired bullet stored

knowing that your gun & its bullets are so easily traced will make you think before using it


peripherally-

if we legalize drugs, we will clear out jail cells to fill with gun law breakers
and free up police "time" for real crime investigation

penalties and fees must be very high in money & jail time – especially after the first offense

no citizens ( except dealers & real collectors ) need more than a small number of guns

fees should be higher for more guns.

Gun fees should be high enough to create a very substantial gun buy-back program

The nra fighting against this - will be balanced by the insurance companies fighting for it


........................................................what do you think ? ........................................................what can we do - that CAN be done ?

▬►▬►▬►▬►▬►▬►▬►,,,,,,,,WRITE YOUR CONGRESSMAN & SENATORS !!!!!!!

[-] 3 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 1 year ago

I like it. With great freedom comes great responsibility. If you look at DUI statistics going back to the '80s, you'll see that with more regulations and higher penalties for drunken driving, the number of deaths have decreased. I really don't have much of a stance on whether guns should be illegal or legal. I could care less either way.

This latest tragedy is unnerving but as a percentage of population, gun violence does not seem to be that big of a deal. But a lot of people had thought the same about DUIs three decades ago but after organizations like MADD came around, the laws changed. This issue is no different than the DUI issue.

[-] 1 points by MsStacy (1035) 1 year ago

As long as there are cars (or guns) there will be people getting them and using them illegally. That fact leads to tragedy when an individual with some violent mental illness is involved. Put any law into effect you can get the support for, but as long as there are guns around there will be tragedies like this.

It sounds defeatist to say there is nothing that we can do, eliminating guns from society may be impossible. It's a simple fact that currently a significant segment of the population want guns available, until you can get the second amendment repealed you may be stuck with the violence.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

"As long as there are cars (or guns) there will be people getting them and using them illegally."
How many "illegal" stolen or unregisterd cars are used every year in a crime? How many "illegal" stolen or unregisterd guns are used every year in a crime?
the same common sense we use to control cars should be used to control guns.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

please notice - I am NOT taking away any guns.
I do not claim this will SOLVE this disaster.
But some people will feel obligated - by fines or prison.
The gun nuts & nra & alec oppose ANY gun control - like cop killer bullets & automatic weapons

[-] 1 points by MsStacy (1035) 1 year ago

Personally I'd favor eliminating handguns from private hands. I'd support an amendment to alter or repeal the second amendment. I'd like to see it done by the majority, constitutionally. Not picked at in a half-hearted manner using bureaucratic tricks and laws of questionable merit or constitutionality.

I'm in a small minority and I know it. I realize that we're going to have guns available to people for a long time to come. I suppose that's my point, any form of gun control that simply places a few hoops for people to jump through isn't going to prevent these tragedies from occurring. I think we're only fooling ourselves if we take that approach.

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

A constitutional amendment CANNOT be created by the MAJORITY
It requires 2/3 of the house + 2/3 senate + 3/4 states
that is why an amendment - on this issue - is not the answer

[-] 0 points by MsStacy (1035) 1 year ago

I've read article V, but it's also true that anything over 50% is considered a majority. I'm also aware there isn't one on guns. Regulation is a poor defense but I agree it's may be the only one you have at present. Unfortunately regulation gets watered down and there are often loopholes that permit the wrong people to get guns.

An amendment isn't even the complete answer. Drugs are largely illegal yet available, my paper carries a long list every week of people driving without license, registration, insurance and any combination of those violations.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

They key is that an amendment requires much more that 50%
an ordinary law can be 50%
if the Ds get rid of the filibuster


Iv'e updated my original "law" with some rationale not - I am talking about laws, not regulations. penalties for breaking these laws must be high enoug to scare people into obeying


If the law says it costs $100 to register a gun and the penalty for not registering is $200, nothing will happen
If the law says it costs $100 to register a gun and the penalty for not registering is $10,000 and a month in jail - what would you do?


there is no 100% solution, but we MUST do something

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[-] -2 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

well, if you get rid of violence then gun ownership won't be a problem will it.

[-] -2 points by Coyote88 (-24) 1 year ago

Interesting that you don't care about people's rights.

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

I care about people's rights - to walk + breathe
again - "my" law does not take away any guns

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1978) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

BAN THEM ALL! Sort details out later!!

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

My friend, I understand your total outrage - at both the blood & the lies - and maybe this forum is a good place to vent.
BUT real problems must deal with the real world -
and the real sol ution must deal with a very real , very powerful enemy.
That enemy will be far less able to holler about gun fees than t hey will be able to holler against actual confiscation.
Not to mention th at confiscation would, without a doubt - go to the supreme court - and you know how that would turn out

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1978) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Understand a UK total ban!!!

It's the right thing to do!

SCOTUS VS Sandy Hook? Oh... BRING IT ON!!!!

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1978) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Rent-a-Gun Kiosks at a mall nearest you.

"Your Final Solution, Finally!"

Since 1984

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1978) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

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