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Forum Post: Muslim Brotherhood now apparently backs Egypt's military

Posted 8 years ago on March 12, 2012, 12:22 p.m. EST by francismjenkins (3713)
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Hundreds of Egyptian protesters, demanding the end of military rule, have been prevented from reaching parliament by backers of the Muslim Brotherhood, which holds the majority in the assembly . . .

Secular protesters accuse the Islamists of colluding with the ruling military to maintain their new-found power.


We did the right thing by standing with Egyptians when they sought the ouster of their dictator, Mubarak, and we should continue our support against this new attempt at theocratic repression.



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[-] 1 points by Dumpthechump (96) 8 years ago

Support for a new attempt against theocratic repression in Egypt - a genuine aim - has to go hand in hand with support for Palestinians against the theocratic repression by the Zionist State.

Nothing else is acceptable since the alternative specifically victimizes Moslem AND CHRISTIAN Palestinians and makes the overall international situation worse than ever.

Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander - but I suspect that some of the honkey replies will be "anti-Semitism" etc!

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 8 years ago

I'm not sure what one has to do with the other? Different countries, different peoples, and the Muslim Brotherhood and Egyptian military would likely want to retain their grip on power regardless of the situation in the rest of the world (including their own region). So I don't see a valid case for linking these two very different problems?

Are you saying that all problems concerning all 1.57 billion Muslims on earth, should be viewed within the prism of the circumstances facing 4.1 million of them? We're only allowed to talk about problems in the Islamic world if we lump the Jewish Palestinian situation into the mix in every case?

Or is it that many Islamophobes have ranted about the Muslim Brotherhood (before there was any indication that they would align themselves with the Egyptian military), and therefore since they hijacked the topic first, we can no longer discuss it in a rational way? I'm trying to understand your logic.

[-] 1 points by Dumpthechump (96) 8 years ago

That you can't follow my logic is because in the West the powerful influence of religion has been sublimated - more so in other Western countries than the USA.

By propping up the Zionist State, Westerners then affect surprise at the sudden resurgence of Islam and Islamic values among Moslems in response - over and above that induced by the culture shock of "Western economic freedoms"!

Both Christianity and Islam have a common origin in Judaism. The Muslim Brotherhood is conservatively inclined. So are the bulk of Zionists in Israel. Is there any difficulty in the logic here?

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 8 years ago

No, it doesn't surprise me, I simply feel bad for the repressed minority & I'm expressing my displeasure. What are the underlying causes, I don't know, nor am I inclined to make far reaching conclusions without credible evidence (I'm not a cultural anthropologist or sociologist). I just know it's wrong, and we should speak out against it.

I don't think it does anyone much good to try and justify this behavior, particularly the the victims of these unfortunate circumstances.

I mean, if you like, we can talk about why Israel exists (for instance, why the Jewish people fled to Israel in the first place). That story is certainly as tragic as any I can think of in modern history.

It's one thing to want to understand the underlying causation behind events, but when causation becomes remote in time and geographic proximity, where the examination begins to look more like conjecture, then I think we're better off simply condemning the offensive behavior, speaking out against it, and working to end it, rather than having an endless academic debate while the victims of these circumstances face acute oppression.

[-] 0 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 8 years ago

who cares about what goes on in Egypt. this is the country you need to worry about.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 8 years ago

Did anyone not see that coming?

[-] 0 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 8 years ago

So...what does that have to do with OWS?

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 8 years ago

OWS has claimed to draw inspiration from the protests in Egypt.

[-] 2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 8 years ago

I doubt seriously that Egyptian protests is the bottom line reason...People have been protesting here since the inception of this alleged 'GREAT NATION'

Perhaps some might draw inspiration from Egypt, but I believe the majority draw inspiration from the fact they can't find jobs, feed their families, stay in their homes, or as having their rights as US Citizens honored. Methinks people are too worried about the Middle East and don't have enough will power to straighten out their own misconceptions or realities regarding what is going on right here in America and what Truths abound about the connection of the Middle East with the United States!

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 8 years ago

I know, I mean, we invented the art of protesting ... the Egyptians are still rookies :)

But anyway, the middle east needs work. Fucking religion, just as stupid today as it was when the Christians were burning each other alive (okay, I better shut up now) .....

What I find strange, sort of an oxymoron, is a religious anarchist.

[-] 1 points by Dumpthechump (96) 8 years ago

Very witty fmjenkins! Now I can understand your posting above! Yes, indeed, there are such poxy morons!

[-] -1 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 8 years ago

Has anyone considered that perhaps the Egyptian people want this ( as you term it) " theocratic oppression)? Maybe they don't want to be like us.

[-] -1 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 8 years ago

Has anyone considered that perhaps the Egyptian people want this ( as you term it) " theocratic oppression)? Maybe they don't want to be like us.

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 8 years ago

The mob doesn't get to decide that oppressing women, gays, and anyone else the local cleric doesn't like ... is okay.