Forum Post: Moveon.org / Soros on the move to co-opt OWS
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 4, 2011, 8:22 p.m. EST by entrepreneur99
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We need to remain party-neutral.
Apparently the Tea-Party started off as a nice movement just like ours, then they accepted the support of big players, and then they became what they became.
We don't want to repeat the same mistakes.
Can we take action fast to reaffirm our party-neutrality? A statement? Can people down in NY take this to the GA and get something out tomorrow morning?
Refuse money from Move-on, George Soros and call for the removal of President Obama. Make a line in the sand.
Where are all these posters now?
Speak the truth to these self-serving traitors. Go to the protests and call them on the carpet. Post on YouTube. Support We Are Change. George Soros, Michael Moore, - these guys are not 'men of the people'. They are evil, self-serving men who have taken part and built this corrupt system that has impoverished the 99%.
Truth be told, this movement has been largely "left-leaning" right from the start.
That said, you can't really "co-opt" a movement, as long as it stays "on the ground". The Tea Party made the mistake of naming a central "spokesperson". Which provided a target for corruption. Keep the list of spokespersons big. And keep it rotating from one to the next, and it's like trying to target a mosquito with a BB gun.
But again, if you look at the substance behind the issues themselves, it's pretty clear that this movement lines up near perfectly with the democratic party's more recent agenda. Obama's "Buffett rule". The democrat's nationwide fight against union busting. Their push for more substantive middle class support. Their recently heightened attention on education.
If anything, I'd say it's more like this movement is moving to "co-opt" the left. Now they just need to be pushed in the right direction on consumer protection and campaign reform issues, and things can start moving forward in a more positive direction. For everyone, instead of the select few.
The key will be to keep them on message AFTER the 2012 elections.
please do not allow any one, group or entity co-opt this movement, it will be a self serving tatic. This is a coalition of the 99%, each individual working in concert with one another to bring attention to a common cause, we know who we are, you know who we are. No one organization, no matter how worthy can be spokesman for us all. The notion of that puts the entire movement at risk of losing creditability.
Be weary of BIG unions, they can even be worse than corporations as they pretend to serve the workers while pocketing their paychecks while they put Obama, the opressor, in power. Big unions ARE the established political system along with the gov and corporations.
Let them march by us but need to understand they're also not in control anymore.
Yea, they can walk with us but not take over. Let's see where this goes.
Game over. Now you are part of the democrat party, like it or not. http://occupywallst.org/forum/occupywallstreet-union-march-foley-square-wall-str/
Not exactly.
Unions have always backed democrats in general, yes (mostly because democrats fight for unions). But this isn't about "just unions". Its about students, middle and lower class workers (union or otherwise), underwater homeowners, and anyone else who is generally aggrieved by the current economic situation.
And on that level, party has little to do with it.
And a week ago, this was just a few thousand people struggling to be taken seriously. When the unions joined, this became serious and is now known to the world. This is not part of either party as AlanO says.
when money is backed by gold it is under the control of whomever owns that gold. Money needs not be backed by anything. All that matters is who CONTROLS the money.
move on. i get your messags too but only because i want to be in on your sheeple herding. this isn't for you. And in fact if you can justbe patient we will be getting back to you as soon as your number comes up.. to dismantle your propaganda and game machine.
to get serious requires a few things they don't have. like chat admins who aren't ego serving propaganda tools, a wiki, 1001 sub forums, an actual game plan, a straight up political platform... you know.. basic organizational things sane people do BEFORE protesting.. like figure out a diplomacy and logic centered metaprocess to give their chatadmins so that they don't really just drive out even more people than the trolls. Adminatrolla. trollaAdmin. Whats the difference to somebody whos got the truth facing a propaganda tool abusing admin powers to push their agenda? how can you prevent such a thing? Metaprocess. did i mention metaprocess? and science diplomacy science psychology science sociology and all those textbooks to read B4 protesting?
you can't have capitalism without a free(SLAVE) market. but you can have a free market without capitalism. And thats strangely the only way it CAN work.
Marketing 101 was fascinating. I admit thats a lot less than a bachelors but its sure more than enough to see whats really going on given the other things I know. Capitalism is not the problem since it does not exist. corporate oligarchy is the problem. capitalism has never been tried. I am a democracy guy. in order for real democracy to function a free market system is required. Thats not capitalism. thats a free market system. there is a subtle difference there which most people would miss. I will again repeat. Neither capitalism nor marxism nor communism nor socialism has ever existed. All of those governments were oligarchy pretending to be something as a con scam. Telling that simple truth gets one banned out of the Chat by either a capitalist or a socialist whos pissed you just said their pet ideology isn't real. It isn't. anybody who thinks that it is is accidentally playing for team corporate oligarchy as a tool. the ONLY system worth talking about is DEMOCRACY. how democracy HANDLES a FREE MARKET system is dynamic and interesting and NOT capitalism.
o. yes. no. yes. what? making change is not reliant on changing the money system one tenth as much as it is on changing the informational ecology. Going to a gold standard as an idea is a proof of ignorance, not a solution. Really the end game is we evolve out of money. To do that we evolve first new currencies and new economic strategies. this leads to economic singularity in about 50 years. If everyone is a millionaire how much you get depends on exactly the material valuation of that money. Which is to say that by the time money becomes obsolete everyone will live like the current millionaire. Tangible items to other tangible items? the real economy is about ideas, change the ideas and everything changes. the problem with the tangible economy is it does not change; its a static reality. you can't make a meaningful gold standard with only enough gold to represent on millionth of the economy. You can make a purely imaginal money system work; but it has to be subject to moral and ethical laws. This is about pinning down those moral and ethical laws and implementing them in new currencies; not trying to imagine a control freak impossible non solution because of the simplicity with which you go about thinking over the problem.
Move on not successful. Why absorb more party mentallity.
PLEASE!!!!! DO!!!! THIS!!!! If you see any big money, special interest types at protests, tell them to fuck off. The media is a big enough problem. These people will destroy OWS in the blink of an eye.
You want more of the same, let OWS be co-opted. Read that too.
http://www.benzinga.com/news/11/10/1964809/dont-let-occupy-wall-street-be-hijacked
i watched the tea party die, you can get the attention you want without them just stay in those fucking streets forever
no big money.
second. No leaders.
I don't know if you're directing this at me specifically, but I do feel like I should have written "I believe we should remain party-neutral", etc.. to stay in tune with the vibe of the movement, but I was typing too fast to think.
I second that!