Forum Post: Move to Amend - update 1/21/2013
Posted 11 years ago on Jan. 21, 2013, 6:27 p.m. EST by DKAtoday
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Let us continue the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Martin Luther King, Jr's rich legacy of seeking justice through non-violence speaks to our values at Move to Amend.
We can only speculate how our collective destiny may have been altered had King not been assassinated. Would he be railing against the corporate corruption of our country?
From his April 4, 1967 "Beyond Vietnam" speech:
“When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, militarism and economic exploitation are incapable of being conquered."
It is hard to imagine that King would not have joined the broad forces opposing the imbalance of power in our government and economic systems.
It is ironic that on this day in which we celebrate King’s life, we also observe the third anniversary of the Citizens United Supreme Court decision.
Beyond invalidating years of campaign finance law, it is important to understand that Citizens United was just the latest of many egregious decisions expanding personhood rights to corporations.
While this anniversary reminds us that the threat to our democracy is very real, our job is to raise the level of understanding among our friends, networks and in our communities with the message that overturning Citizens United alone will not fix the problem of corporate control.
The necessary resolution is the Move to Amend constitutional amendment to get corporations out of control of our government and legal system, and money out of our politics.
In the memory of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. today, please spread the word about Move to Amend with your friends -- via email, Facebook, Twitter -- please ask them to sign our organizing petition and get involved with the fight to amend the US Constitution and to build a movement for real democracy that will put people in charge.
Use this link to spread the word: http://movetoamend.nationbuilder.com/petition!
In solidarity,
Ashley Sanders, Ben Manski, Daniel Lee, Egberto Willies, Jerome Scott, Kaitlin Sopoci-Belknap, Laura Bonham, George Friday, Nancy Price
Move to Amend National Leadership Team
PS -- If your friends will need some convincing, you can also share the link to our article published on Common Dreams yesterday -- check it out here: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/01/20-5.
And please "like" and "share" it to social media to help bump up the article's popularity on the Common Dreams website so even more people are exposed to Move to Amend. Thank you!
MOVE TO AMEND PO Box 610, Eureka CA 95502 | (707) 269-0984 | www.MoveToAmend.org
We, the People of the United States of America, reject the U.S. Supreme Court's Citizens United ruling, and move to amend our Constitution to firmly establish that money is not speech, and that human beings, not corporations, are persons entitled to constitutional rights.
“When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, militarism and economic exploitation are incapable of being conquered."
And then came the shot.
Wake Up - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUfaJ8RqfOg
How embarrassing. Legalese applied with no legal process, "wanna be" mentality.
Your lack of understanding, doesnt mean everyone else needs to share your ignorance of 'legalese'.
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Show me somewhere in law where the people can "move to amend". Cite the law which empowers such action.
Does there have to be? We have a common law system, which means most law is unwritten and based on stare decisis.
In short, there is no where that says you cant.
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Article V - U shit head - proper use of it BTW. Not your BS.
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Thanks for bumping the post - at least you are good for something. People can then join an actual campaign ( top of page ). Which your BS does not offer - all U offer is BS.
You haven't found a mother or father that will say so, and they are the authorities concerning their children's futures.
aAHhahahaha - now that is funny - your score pretty much says it all. Liar deceiver spewer of BS - aAHhahahaha
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You haven't found a mother or father that will say so, and they are the authorities concerning their children's futures. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink
U are just full of useless babel. All people need do is check out the Move to Amend campaign ( top of page ) and they will see that U are full of shit.
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Your self image?
Only an nwo lover would diss this-"ARTICLE V The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate."
What is your suggestion to initiate the process you mention?
What amendment suggestions do you have?
ray-o-vac is all BS - just trying to waste time through distraction.
I know. Ray can say "Article V" a million times, which is good to get that out there, but it doesn't do shit to start the process... I've seen Ray do it to people before. He just says Article V article V. Cool story bro. Why he would call Move to Amend "wannabe" while not providing an alternate suggestion is just... odd.
Caugh caugh move to amend is trying to initiate the process.
Move to Amend is one of the processes. The state by state process.
So U R an nwo individual? U diss Move to Amend after all. Thanks for the admission of your problem - next step - seek help.
I diss moveto amend, but I sign their petition because I want them to succeed. I support the exposure of nwo plots at root levels and culture counter to any of their activities. For example, 90% of 9-11 info appears to have been false. A site that still remains with the author conducting disclosures according to U.S. code.
http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11demolitionexplained.html
Did you know that the author ALSO has exposed the means of secrecy in a psychological context that has been used in treason?
We need to show that alec has no interest in Article V, because it has constitutional intent. Requesting their comment on what WILL create constitutional intent, a profound proposal (preparatory amendment) IF a group proposes Article Vl will test them and hone the public capacity to know constitution intent.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/956/975/440/does-alec-really-want-an-article-v-convention-with-constitutional-intent/
ALEC has already proven itself to be a fraud.
How would ALEC commenting on Article V, without mention of what amendment you'd like to make, even if an idea was suggested, how would that do anything to start the Article V process?
I'm not against you on this issue, I just don't understand your ongoing convo with people about this.
You claim to want to start the process, but I'm not sure how your suggestions start the process. Lets say ALEC says "fuck Article V." How does that do anything? You really think people who like ALEC backed politicians are going to change their mind after years of people pushing obvious dirt on ALEC? Buying off government officials and corrupting law to pursue a personal vendetta/agenda and the exploit of other people is already obviously treasonous.
So again, what exactly is your suggestion to start the article v process?
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TrevorMnemonic wrote: "ALEC has already proven itself to be a fraud."
To those that believe in them, they need other proof. Do not make the mistake of assuming others think like you think.
TrevorMnemonic wrote: "How would ALEC commenting on Article V, without mention of what amendment you'd like to make, even if an idea was suggested, how would that do anything to start the Article V process?"
I ask for their comment on preparatory amendment having 3 specific amendments. If they refuse to comment it is abundantly clear that they are supporting a convention that does not have constitutional intent because the preparatory amendment enables the people to define it as only they can. If they confirm that ending the abridging of free speech will enable this, then Article V can be viewed as much safer.
TrevorMnemonic wrote: "I'm not against you on this issue, I just don't understand your ongoing convo with people about this."
It started because posters here equated the efforts of Americans to see an Article V happen properly to something alec is doing. I'd never heard of them before that. This is about proving that the citizens working for Article V are reaching for the opposite of what alec proposes.
Showing they propose an unconstitutional convention is the first step, in this case, to showing what is a convention constitutionally conducted.
TrevorMnemonic wrote: "You claim to want to start the process, but I'm not sure how your suggestions start the process.
Preparatory amendment makes Article V safe and completely for the people. Preparatory amendment on its own will solve about 50% of the problem, then we will learn that the problem is about 300% worse than we thought. Whereupon Article V generally, after proper preparation can be held.
People have been made afraid of their constitution by the elite. People dpon't know what they don't know, and in this caser it is a good reason to not fear the constitution IF we can conduct public discourse on constitutional intent.
TrevorMnemonic wrote: " Lets say ALEC says "fuck Article V." How does that do anything?
If alec gives up their Article V effort, and it seems that's what you are saying, then it shows they are sensitive to being exposed for treasonous fraud.
TrevorMnemonic wrote: "You really think people who like ALEC backed politicians are going to change their mind after years of people pushing obvious dirt on ALEC?"
Yes. The connection to Lincolns words, "the people are the rightful masters of the congress and the courts" has not been well made with the function of Article V. When it is shown that the people do indeed know what constitutional intent is (this petition helps) those who are fully constitutional will realize that alec is NOT supporting the law of the land. Rather than associate with usurpation historically noted, they step back. Not all, but some.
TrevorMnemonic wrote: "Buying off government off"icials and corrupting law to pursue a personal vendetta/agenda and the exploit of other people is already obviously treasonous."
Yes, but when the government is unlawful no justice can be gained. This deals with that.
TrevorMnemonic wrote: "So again, what exactly is your suggestion to start the article v process?"
Personally, at the moment, or for the last year, it is to overcome the cognitive infiltration and fake posters with their unaccountability working here.
I do that to be able to reasonably present that Americans need to Occupy congress and demand they follow the law and begin to convene states delegates to consider preparatory amendment. In 1911 all requisites were met so the demand is VERY justified.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs7qIQ1VkEg
But congress instead of following the law, their oath and the constitution, began; not counting, misinterpreting etc. and continue to this day.
http://my.firedoglake.com/danielmarks/2012/02/18/congress-refuses-to-call-a-convention-to-amend/
At the Occupy Congress protests those participating can articulate their understanding of constitutional intent beginning with the vital meanings of free speech and why that issue is dealt with by the first of 3 preparatory amendments to the Article V convention.
1)End the abridging of free speech 2)Campaign finance reform 3)Secure the vote
What is your suggestion on the "prepatory amendment" ?
Like I mentioned before, you can keep shouting Article V, but you gotta take it to the next step. Like naming what your amendment would be. Otherwise people will just wonder why you keep saying it without listing the amendment you'd like the people to support.
PACs, etc aren't going to support something that deletes them. They're not going to comment on it. If they did, they'd probably say your amendment is unconstitutional and list the citizens united ruling as their justification. As many have and that is why they exist. Hence the entire need for a constitutional amendment.
1)End abridged free speech 2)Campaign finance reform 3)Secure the vote. I've been posting these for over a year to prepare for Article V.
When the peoples grip upon the intent of the constitution relating to its principles, has solidified obviously upon that intent; then amendments are easily conforming to Article V.
TrevorMnemonic wrote: "What is your suggestion on the "prepatory amendment" ?"
The above takes politics out of the box for the people. When we get down to instincts we are unified.
The box created for us by the elite is quite complete. Conditioned from infants to believe we can use it to do what it says it will do. Never shown how to do it, told to believe it will be done automatically.
Preparatory amendment above can only be seen as constitutional and creating an environment for even greater constitutionality to manifest.
I've proven this here with the invocation of instincts which are causing evasions that indicate the individuals are incorrect with their position on Article V, because they will not address the issue of intent and preparation to assure it, the meaning of free speech in that, etc.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/gunself-control/#comment-895308
This has happened about 5 time here. It is against our instincts as a species to continue with denial once the root intent is defined.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/956/975/440/does-alec-really-want-an-article-v-convention-with-constitutional-intent/
TrevorMnemonic wrote: "What is your suggestion on the "prepatory amendment" ?"
Ray wrote "Personally, at the moment, or for the last year, it is to overcome the cognitive infiltration and fake posters with their unaccountability working here."
May I also suggest egging on your senators and house reps. Sure you're probably doing it already, but getting the message out there is good too!
It's time for the people to lead. The infiltration of government makes Article V unpopular, so incumbants are non comittal.
The issue of the citizens ability to understand and accept constitutional intent that is universally promoting human survival and evolution or adaptation is primary here.
Free speech is abridged. There is no accountability to reason by such as DKA, who acknowledges nothing and promotes dysfunctional activism.
On the other hand my testing of critics has shown they refuse to back their position when it shows to jeopardize future generations ability to know information needed for survival.
This is the invocation of instincts causing evasions that indicate the individuals are incorrect with their position on Article V, because they will not address the issue of intent and preparation to assure it, the meaning of free speech in that, etc.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/gunself-control/#comment-895308
You have to work with government to utilize "constitutional intent" as far as this whole article v thing goes.
And you're saying gov won't do it.
Now what?
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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (23289) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 hour ago
In all of your time here - U have proved nothing. But U have raised the very real notion that U R up to No Good. In fact that U R shilling for Koch/ALEC/CATO/Heritage ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete permalink
I demand authority show they know what constitutional intent is. Why do you protect them?
Knowing and discussing constitutional intent between us is where it starts. Americans who support the constitution should begin participating in this, even if they do nothing else. It is fundamental to being human.
Q-Is it of constitutional intent that freedom of speech have it's ultimate meaning in its potential to create an understanding between people which can create; foregiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love, protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
A-Until a mother or father steps forwards to say they will pass and ignore a real opportunity through alignment with other citizens and Article V, to assure their child grows in a nation that holds high and honors its capacity to share and understand information needed for survival, protecting their life, retaining their social liberties and pursuing happiness, **it is logical to say it is, and Americans need to assure that free speech has that quality. Let us test alec. sign http://www.thepetitionsite.com/956/975/440/does-alec-really-want-an-article-v-convention-with-constitutional-intent/
Why do you promote shit/koch/alec/cato/heritage?
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In all of your time here - U have proved nothing. But U have raised the very real notion that U R up to No Good. In fact that U R shilling for Koch/ALEC/CATO/Heritage
Now you are directly shilling for ALEC? Pathetic.
Your misinterpretations work to shield alec. This petition exposes with constitutional language that they work for an unconstitutional convention.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/956/975/440/does-alec-really-want-an-article-v-convention-with-constitutional-intent/
They will be exposed as a fraud seeking to usurp IF it can be shown that Americans understand constitutional intent.
No need to wonder about ALEC or CATO or Heritage - they are all Koch working groups - so CorpoRAT - anti-humanity - profits over life.
sign-prove they are intellectual frauds intent on treason.
That's what I seek to do. Proposing Article V with their power and NOT engaging valid discourse with the public relating to constitutional intent is quite serious in a legal sense when it comes to a compromised constitution under treasonous attack.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/956/975/440/does-alec-really-want-an-article-v-convention-with-constitutional-intent/
All you need do is look at their funding and their actions.
DKAtoday wrote: "All you need do is look at their funding and their actions."
FROM THAT prove they are intellectual frauds intent on treason. I will look at the proof.
Go away now - this has been discussed at length since the start of this forum - and I am not gonna waste my time playing your stupid game.
I understand evasion just fine.
You run on assumptions and suggest others do too. Those supporting alec know this and have an attitude about you because you have nothing concrete showing alec a fraud in a constitutional sense. A nice way of citing treason. When 1,000 people ask about a method of assuring constitutional intent, it is a major challenge.
But . . . you don't want that.
You ignore that those funding might actually support the constitution but have not been shown, to their satisfaction, that alec is not constitutional.
Stick your head back up your ass - your shit for brains is missing it's home.
Poor infiltrator can't take logic.
U say U have difficulty with logic ? - Not Surprising. Funny U talk about your problem in the 2nd person. Could be part of the clue to your overall dysfunction. Note it and share with your Dr.
What happened there lil' buckaroo?
Another infiltrator couldn't take the natural lawgic that mothers and fathers are not willing to give up on a society that empowers speech that can create understanding that will protect their child's life.
What? U consider yourself to be more then the ordinary infiltrator?
Citizen here, one that understands the constitution.
Knowing and discussing constitutional intent between us is where it starts. Americans who support the constitution should begin participating in this, even if they do nothing else. It is fundamental to being human.
Q-Is it of constitutional intent that freedom of speech have it's ultimate meaning in its potential to create an understanding between people which can create; foregiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love, protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
A-Until a mother or father steps forwards to say they will pass and ignore a real opportunity through alignment with other citizens and Article V, to assure their child grows in a nation that holds high and honors its capacity to share and understand information needed for survival, protecting their life, retaining their social liberties and pursuing happiness, **it is logical to say it is, and Americans need to assure that free speech has that quality. Let us test alec. sign http://www.thepetitionsite.com/956/975/440/does-alec-really-want-an-article-v-convention-with-constitutional-intent/
Keep bumping the post - it provides an actual campaign ( top of page ) for people to join. Not like your BS.
You haven't cited the law that creates the duty by the authority to respect the demands of the petition and take action.
If you can't do that, well . . . nice petition. I signed.
Knowing and discussing constitutional intent between us is where it starts. Americans who support the constitution should begin participating in this, even if they do nothing else. It is fundamental to being human.
Q-Is it of constitutional intent that freedom of speech have it's ultimate meaning in its potential to create an understanding between people which can create; foregiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love, protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
A-Until a mother or father steps forwards to say they will pass and ignore a real opportunity through alignment with other citizens and Article V, to assure their child grows in a nation that holds high and honors its capacity to share and understand information needed for survival, protecting their life, retaining their social liberties and pursuing happiness, **it is logical to say it is, and Americans need to assure that free speech has that quality. Let us test alec. sign http://www.thepetitionsite.com/956/975/440/does-alec-really-want-an-article-v-convention-with-constitutional-intent/
Move to Amend Reports - TODAY!
We won't send an email about our new internet radio program every week, but as the show is just getting started, we do want to remind you that the second program is today, Thursday, January 24.
Move to Amend Reports airs every Thursday at 8:00 PM ET, 5:00 PM PT.
Each show provides opportunity for call-in questions and comments from the listening audience by dialing 646-652-2345 (long distance changes apply).
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To tune in just go to http://www.blogtalkradio.com/movetoamend at 5pm Pacific / 8pm Eastern every Thursday.
★ TONIGHT! January 24: Move to Amend co-founder David Cobb analyzes Martin Luther King Day events, the third anniversary of the Citizens United v. FEC ruling and the inauguration of Barack Obama through the lens of the Move to Amend amendment. Q & A to follow.
★ January 31: George Friday, Move to Amend national team member will discuss what it takes to build a true multi-cultural, multi-racial democracy and justice movement. Q & A to follow.
★ February 7: Ashley Sanders of Salt Lake City MTA joins us for an in-depth discussion of thinking and acting locally as part of a larger movement to counter corporate control. Q & A to follow.
Archive -- can't listen live? Tune in to the podcast whenever is good for you:
★ January 17 Kickoff Show: Meet Move to Amend National Director Kaitlin Sopoci-Belknap and learn about Move to Amend, how to get involved, and why it's not just about Citizens United. Call-in Q & A to follow. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/movetoamend
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We, the People of the United States of America, reject the U.S. Supreme Court's Citizens United ruling, and move to amend our Constitution to firmly establish that money is not speech, and that human beings, not corporations, are persons entitled to constitutional rights.
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We’re calling it “160 Summer.”
Not 160 degrees — although sometimes it feels just about that hot during the summer here in Washington, D.C.
It’s 160 for how many members of Congress we plan to enlist this summer in the next phase of our Democracy Is For People campaign to overturn Citizens United — the disastrous 2010 Supreme Court ruling that allows corporations and billionaires to spend as much money as they want trying to influence elections.
Sign our petition TODAY urging your members of Congress to join you and millions of other Americans in supporting a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United.
As of today, we have 22 senators and 107 representatives.
We’ll be working on Capitol Hill and in legislators’ home districts to make that 30 senators and 130 representatives by August 1.
Step 1 is for your senators and representative to hear from their constituents — and that includes you.
Add your name to the petition right now.
Our Democracy Is For People campaign has generated undeniable, nationwide grassroots momentum for an amendment.
Already, 15 states and some 500 cities and towns from coast to coast have formally called on Congress to pass an amendment.
So let’s make sure our elected officials in Washington, D.C., get with the program.
One way your senators and representative can demonstrate their responsiveness to the overwhelming will of the people — which is, after all, what they were elected to do — is by co-sponsoring an amendment.
Urge your members of Congress to support a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United.
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If their constituents back home want an amendment, why aren’t these members of Congress on board?
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